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No. 0     Original Topic: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Administrator   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:02 PM   Viewed 195612 times     
My view on the subject is shifting, in the direction of gentle and carefully applied intervention.

The reason for previously resisting moderators is due to having seen forum threads shut down at other sites merely because someone got offended over controversial opinions. That won't happen here.

The type of moderating under consideration (we already interene during extreme cases) will only deal with what I call playground rudeness, calling people liars, stupid, in other words, putting people down instead of challenging their ideas.

Depending on the infraction, requests for being more nice would be followed by a warning, then possibly a little time off to think things over and calm down, all the way to the ultimate option, being invited to play at another playground.

Please provide your idea or comment. Feel free to disagree. I sure would have done so not all that long ago.
No. 1     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  4HimISing   Gender: F   Age: 31   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:07 PM     
I'm thinking, right now, that perhaps it might not be a bad idea.

I'd like to think that we don't need moderators, but alas, I'm not so sure that we don't. Hard to admit that we don't all always act like the "grown-ups" we're supposed to be. *sigh*
No. 2     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  fred626   Gender: M   Age: 48   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:08 PM     
you are doin a great job Admin

I agree moderators can be a pain
as adults we should all be capable of moderating ourselves

I personally will try to take breaks whenever I get too frustrated with this site.

hey better to voluntarily take some time off than to be forced to.

if you voluntarily take time off you can generally come back

goal to :playnice:


fred:Coffeenpc:
No. 3     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Holly37   Gender: F   Age: 57   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:19 PM     
It's something that I hate to even consider, but because some people can't seem to give an opinion without resorting to unChristianlike behavior, maybe we do need some safer space here. Even when some people try to remain honest and open in a kind way they get shot down for being nice. That's just pitiful.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Administrator   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:20 PM     
4HimISing wrote:

I'd like to think that we don't need moderators, but alas, I'm not so sure that we don't. Hard to admit that we don't all always act like the "grown-ups" we're supposed to be. *sigh*

That might be difficult to accept were it not for my having been a member of various other websites over the years. It is nearly impossible to find one without moderators. The "need" appears to follow where humans go. I used to think the oversite would send people scurrying in search of freedom elsewhere. Apparently not.

True, the majority do guard themselves quite well. There are always going to be some who haven't reached that point though. And they are frequently those with interesting and dynamic minds, decent at heart, needing but a display of boundaries in order to become valuable participants.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Don-C   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:24 PM     

I have to agree, Randal.

Thanks for your gentile intervention.

God Bless

No. 6     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  randee   Gender: M   Age: 33   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:29 PM     
Only to echo what's already been said, I'd like to believe we can handle and correct ourselves, but I've talked with a few that were deeply hurt from comments made and it just seems to go on and on.
May not be a bad idea.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  GodsMedic   Gender: M   Age: 44   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:39 PM     
I, like others, would hope that we as adults could moderate ourselves. For the most part, we can and do. However, as humans, sometimes we can get caught up in the moment and our sinful nature comes out. In those cases, I can see it being a necessary intervention. Not one used very often, but there in case it's needed.

Dev - You are doing a WONDERFUL job!!!!! Keep up the good work!!! Thank You!!!!
No. 8     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Marisa   Gender: F   Age: 27   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:46 PM     
I wish everyone could just :playnice: but I completely understand. Really, what you are saying seems quite simple - you are not going to stand in the way of freedom of discussion, but just want to remove the personal insults - sounds perfectly fair to me. :2thumbs:
No. 9     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  RobertoVO5   Gender: M   Age: 49   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:56 PM     
I agree. Time to kill the threads. Some people, like me, are trying to post more in line with the :playnice: philosophy and will appreciate the removal of temptation to go back to threads that are counterproductive to positive discussion.
No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Marisa   Gender: F   Age: 27   on  Jan 19, 2006 at 11:59 PM     
RobertoVO5 wrote:

Hey..it's almost 9 o'clock Pacific time, and those threads are still there!

But, I agree. Time to kill the threads. Some people, like me, are trying to post more in line with the :playnice: philosophy and will appreciate the removal of temptation to go back to threads that are counterproductive to positive discussion.


WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!! :spot1:

:hug:
No. 11     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  grumpybear   Gender: M   Age: 48   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 12:07 AM     
i agree
No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  RobertoVO5   Gender: M   Age: 49   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 12:11 AM     
Marisa wrote:

RobertoVO5 wrote:

Hey..it's almost 9 o'clock Pacific time, and those threads are still there!

But, I agree. Time to kill the threads. Some people, like me, are trying to post more in line with the :playnice: philosophy and will appreciate the removal of temptation to go back to threads that are counterproductive to positive discussion.


WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!! :spot1:

:hug:


Marisa...is that a hug from YOU??? :wub: :cloud9:
No. 14     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Big-Dave   Gender: M   Age: 42   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 5:27 AM     
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Sounds good to me Dev...


But I don't know about you using that new picture... :twisted:

No. 15     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Bloom   Gender: F   Age: 32   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 6:08 AM     
LOL Big-Dave...

Webbie - I am all for moderators if I get to pick who they are :P
Hehe, no, seriously, I think moderators would be good, but some thought would have to be given with regards to what they should react to.


No. 16     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  justmekim   Gender: F   Age: 41   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 7:41 AM     
yes Dev I think you may be on the right track... I would suggest some strict guidelines about what you feel acceptable and not acceptable so you dont end up with something that is quick to jump in and "over" moderate a situation... Many times I find that these threads that get off track are sort of liken to birth'n a baby... intense labor pains but the end result (like when every one takes a deep breath and calls a truce) is beautiful and an opportunity for growth for those participating and those just watching from a distance. There are however those births that require some assistance and I can see how moderation could certainly be a plus in those situations....

By the way, not sure I mentioned it, I have sort of been a bit absent the last few weeks but seems to me you have a web site here worthy of an applause... Keep up the good work... I like the all the new changes I have seen so far...

God Bless
Kim
No. 17     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  evie562   Gender: F   Age: 43   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:10 AM     
thats why we need each other.
I agree
even the bible talks about church discipline
accountability etc.

no problem here
e
No. 18     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Annie53   Gender: F   Age: 54   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:10 AM     
Jolly good idea as time and time again so many have asked people to stop all this name calling and the same ones just ignored all the requests. People have tried gently with scriptures about loving, kindness, all the fruits of the spirit but to no avail, so I would say "Go for it" :goodpost:
No. 19     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  MrsJulie   Gender: F   Age: 42   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:20 AM     
While I've never seen the need for moderators in the past, sadly I do now. There will always be people that come onto a website and will not stop even when the majority of the other posters try to "discipline" or reason with them. I really think there is a very small number of people who will ever manage to get moderated. But I think it's a really good idea.
No. 20     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Ribseeker   Gender: M   Age: 47   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:27 AM     
:2thumbs:
No. 21     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Karen_in_California   Gender: F   Age: 44   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:30 AM     
I have shared with others that I could no longer visit some threads because my heart was so heavy and grievous regarding the content of them. It is sad that we as Christians (at times) cannot conduct ourselves with integrity and respect for one another. This behavior allows Satan a foothold here at MC and I welcome your thoughtful consideration of a gentle moderator. Thank you for the OUTSTANDING work you are doing here, Randal!!! I appreciate you.
No. 22     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Rose5   Gender: F   Age: 31   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:49 AM     
To the admin, it's not a bad idea. This may be a wonderful way even for those chosen to extend out their hearts or shoulders just to listen. How do i know so much? I happen to be a leader on another site so people are looking want to talk to someone or just reach out. JHMO
No. 23     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  EyeLovesJesus   Gender: F   Age: 55   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 8:50 AM     
Hello beloved brother..

I am in agreement with your need for forum moderators..for our Lord hath said in His Holy Word we must Love one another, as He hath loved us..Amen!!

:surrender: :playnice: :hug: :goodpost:
No. 24     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  anneke   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 9:08 AM     
Lots of good points made. I, too, agree with "gentle and carefully applied intervention".

Thanks, Mr. Administrator Sir -- I really like Big-Dave's picture of you.
No. 25     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Seasoned   Gender: F   Age: 34   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 9:09 AM     
Admin ~ I must concur with the other posters here... I would like to think we can police ourselves so that moderators are not necessary. However unfortunate, we all occasionally need boundries outlined.

I do trust that you will not "over moderate" and give us ample opportunity to police our own actions.
No. 26     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  SuperDave   Gender: M   Age: 22   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 9:31 AM     
Again an excellent idea from the admin... Of course it goes without saying that any moderators appointed should be people who are moderate themselves and don't have any vendettas against people on the site or else it would open to abuse, but i'm sure that goes with out saying!

Things do sometimes seem to get out of hand despite other peoples efforts at cooling things down so the need for some form of strong intervention would, sadly, appear necessary.

:2thumbs: Admin!!!
No. 27     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Amir   Gender: M   Age: 44   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 10:42 AM     
An excellent idea Dev. I wish it were not necessary but I (sigh yes even I) get caught up in the heated debate. I have walked away from this site in frustration only to return again because I love some of the people and have carved out some great friendships.

Amir - formerly known as Jim49
No. 28     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Administrator   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 10:57 AM     
Dave, you should be around more often, if only for that sense of humor to rub off on me. I might grab the foto and make it my own. Think Arnold would mind?

Don, have any underlying commentary with calling me a gentile? *** kidding. See post #5.

Sandi, what you say is reasonable. I think maybe a patient moderator might stand back at first, allowing the natural correction you speak of. But when a thread spirals into outright meanness from people who can't restrain themselves, that may be time for a private note that leads to a member modifying his or her comments, which will hopefully be enough most of the time.

Bloom, definitely. And feel free to offer suggestions on just what the criteria might be, along with possible actions.

Kim, terrific analogy. I agree, and should endeavor to keep that in mind whenever contemplating intervention. I might even keep the posts from this thread that caution on the use of moderating, handing them over to anyone undertaking the task that I am all but ready to implement at this point.

Julie, I think a very small number too. I have already been sort of moderating already, having little chats with about three people. But work is about to start up again. Along with other background chores on the site needing done every day, my time for paying attention to forum stuff is going to diminish.

Rose, nice idea. That would of course be dependent on the time and inclinations of the moderators. But it sure wouldn't bother me if they were to every so often extend that extra effort, hopefully without getting sucked into the drama of strangers. Hardly a requirement though. Regular forum participants have that ability also.

SuperDave and Seasoned, that is one of the worst aspect of moderating in my experience, overdoing the job and acting out of bias, probably without realizing it. My hope is to get two who can confer with one another, checking their own initial reactions and fondness for one party in a dispute. Plus I may occasionally annoy them with my own input and vision. Along that line, they need to be the type of people who can receive input, who are also willing to set me straight when useful.

Mostly I have responded directly to those who preach caution in the use of moderators, that because we perhaps share a fear for what the power given to moderators can do. But I really needed to hear from all sides, including how many are completely ready (and with how much enthusiasm) to go with moderators.


To those who are offended easily by outlandish ideas about religion, male female relations, politics, I am not thinking about removing the right to shock people with weird theories, proposals and beliefs. And they do get shocked, only recently suggesting I should kick someone out of here for holding an unpopular perspective.

From my view (which changes now and then), some individuals could do well at better learning how to allow other humans to think in their own weird ways. You may never need to end up agreeing with them, however.

It's when they or others (including the ones offended) become verbally abusive that I want to have a mechanism for stopping a good old fashioned debate from cutting into people on a personal level.
No. 29     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  fred626   Gender: M   Age: 48   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 12:24 PM     
My big problem is when people post threads attacking a specific denomination Roman Catholicism for instance and make tasteless threads.
The one that comes to mind is when someone posted on Pope John PaulII dying and how he was going to hell.

Not to start a fight but threads of that nature should be squashed immidiatly and the ones who start them should get a warning.

Fred:coffeenpc:
No. 30     Reply: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Administrator   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 12:29 PM     
fred626 wrote:

My big problem is when people post threads attacking a specific denomination Roman Catholicism for instance and make tasteless threads.
The one that comes to mind is when someone posted on Pope John PaulII dying and how he was going to hell.

Not to start a fight but threads of that nature should be squashed immidiatly and the ones who start them should get a warning.

Fred:coffeenpc:

I'm not comfortable when humans decide who is going to hell. On that part we agree. Difficult to enforce though, if they properly apply scripture. We can then always disagree about interpretation.

As for challenging Catholicism or any other religion (including the tenets of protestant denominations), I'm not currently willing to forbid that level of discourse.
No. 31     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  fred626   Gender: M   Age: 48   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 1:16 PM     
Since Salvation is a personal thing
not every professing
Roman Catholic is going to heaven
nor is every professing Baptist
Pentacostle
or member of any other denomination



When you attack one denomination in particular you do it for only one reason
to cause discention.

There is no way you can bring a person to a better understanding
of salvation by attacking and picking at that person.

All you get is yelling and name calling and all of that other crap
that tends to make new believers who come to this site never want to come back.

To attack ones denomination is to make as personal attack on that person
as it is to attack their family.

That is why it is not a good idea to allow attacks on specific denominations.

Fred:coffeenpc:
No. 32     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  joyful   Gender: F   Age: 49   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 2:53 PM     
I agree with gentle moderators. I quit going to the theo board, because of their rough and tumble variety of response, which involves kicking and scratching like a bunch of alley cats. If you can' respond with a couple of lines and not be torn to shreds with what would be reams of paper, if this were a paper medium, then, I just stay away, and I feel certain that there are others who react the same.

Joy
No. 33     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Cheryl   Gender: F   Age: 41   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 3:04 PM     
Dev, I'm gonna agree with Sandi in FL here as well as SuperDave's expressed concern - and say that I'm *very* leery of moderators on this site. Posts 29 - 31 being a prime example of one of the reasons why.

I've been around for a long time, watching this site. I've seen how desperately easy it is to misunderstand posts and emails. I've seen how easy it is to develop a mob mentality - where everyone goes on a rampage, then wonders what it was all about after looking at the bloody bodies. I've also seen how easy it is to try to "correct" or "fix" other peoples' behavior as people - which isn't our job. I've seen people act like spoiled kids - and get away with it; and others who call them on it get gang-jumped. I've also seen the spoiled kid get reprimanded. I've seen it go both ways. I've had friends be the "good guy", and I've had friends be the "bad guy."

I personally have no interest in a sanitized site that comes across like a therapy session.

If WE individually can't walk away from a conflict, can't choose how to appropriately respond or not respond, can't "choose silence" when there's nothing constructive to say, can't choose to enter or not enter a thread we know is gonna be a problem for us, can't just simply SKIP a post rather than go looking to create a conflict - then *shrug*, there's a bigger issue going on here than moderating a Christian adult website.

That serves it's purpose as well. It allows us to see what a person's character is. If there was no conflict that escalated to huge proportions, we'd not see the reality of what's behind many computer screens.

For the following quote from post#28:

"To those who are offended easily by outlandish ideas about religion, male female relations, politics, I am not thinking about removing the right to shock people with weird theories, proposals and beliefs. And they do get shocked, only recently suggesting I should kick someone out of here for holding an unpopular perspective.

From my view (which changes now and then), some individuals could do well at better learning how to allow other humans to think in their own weird ways. You may never need to end up agreeing with them, however."

-I heartily applaud you, Dev!! and thanks for taking up the yoke of MC.
No. 34     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Gigi373   Gender: F   Age: 24   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 4:08 PM     

I would suggest that the moderator need not post his warning or comments or advise in order to avoid embarrassing the unruly poster. Sometimes the moderator's comments or warning only adds injuries and could certainly make the unruly or hot headed poster more nasty and mad.

Maybe, sending a QM of warning or advise would suffice.

:surrender:
No. 35     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Dasha   Gender: F   Age: 24   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 4:11 PM     
I hardly post anything, but I read almost everything. Dev I think having moderators is a good idea
No. 36     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Pink   Gender: F   Age: 48   on  Jan 20, 2006 at 11:53 PM     
Hey ya.

I think moderators would be helpful on occassion. There are times when tempers flare and words are spoken that should not be. Moderators are definitely needed, but only once in a while.

And some posters try hard not to get snotty, but it just seems to come naturally to them when the veins in their necks stand out.

My vote is a very short list of volunteer moderators. And a moderator should be someone who doesn't get their undies in a bundle if they are attacked and someone who can say things honestly without hurting the rest of the world in the process.
No. 37     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Leigh   Gender: F   Age: 42   on  Jan 21, 2006 at 3:48 AM     
Dev, I unfortunately have to agree that a "gentle" moderator is necessary. I also agree with you that one should be able to express their opinions freely about denominational differences, etc. However, I do agree with Fred on one point. I think that saying someone is going to hell because they are a certain denomination falls into the same category as name calling. No one knows the condition of an individual's heart except for Christ. It is only He that knows who is going to Heaven and who is going to hell. Comments like .... "you are unsaved", "you are going to hell" "that's your ignorance showing again" ... are all unnecessary and uncalled for. Instead, individuals need to focus their criticism on the topic not on the person...example..."with opinions like that it would lead me to believe an individual is unsaved", etc.

Just my two cents worth. And by the way, Randal, thank you so very much for the great job you are doing here at MC!!!!
No. 38     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Daniel29   Gender: M   Age: 52   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 1:16 AM     
So you are taking a page from Messianic Groups Admin?? (I can agree to disagree... lol)
No. 39     Reply: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Marienka867   Gender: F   Age: 55   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 1:34 AM     
rnluvslife_n_pa wrote:

Dev, I unfortunately have to agree that a "gentle" moderator is necessary. I also agree with you that one should be able to express their opinions freely about denominational differences, etc. However, I do agree with Fred on one point. I think that saying someone is going to hell because they are a certain denomination falls into the same category as name calling. No one knows the condition of an individual's heart except for Christ. It is only He that knows who is going to Heaven and who is going to hell. Comments like .... "you are unsaved", "you are going to hell" "that's your ignorance showing again" ... are all unnecessary and uncalled for. Instead, individuals need to focus their criticism on the topic not on the person...example..."with opinions like that it would lead me to believe an individual is unsaved", etc.Just my two cents worth. And by the way, Randal, thank you so very much for the great job you are doing here at MC!!!!


I agree .
No. 40     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  MrsW   Gender: F   Age: 52   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 10:01 AM     
If you are going to have moderators, there needs to be some system to moderate the moderators.

I was once kicked off a chat room for using the word, "levoratatorian" which simply means counter-clockwise motion. The moderator was convinced that it was witchcraft and I was attempting to convert all the Christians there to wiccan. She had a short PM with me, refused to listen and abruptly kicked me off the site.

I think it is difficult to moderate; more difficult to find good moderators and most difficult for some folks to moderate themselves.

It is probably a very good idea, but I would hope that you would have some system to deal with those who have been unfairly moderated.
No. 41     Reply: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Administrator   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 11:32 AM     
FutureMrsW wrote:

If you are going to have moderators, there needs to be some system to moderate the moderators.

They will have each other, and me. Anyone getting too quick on the trigger will be coached and, if necessary, invited to return to civilian life.


I was once kicked off a chat room for using the word, "levoratatorian" which simply means counter-clockwise motion.

Ridiculous. Thanks for teaching me a new word though.


I think it is difficult to moderate; more difficult to find good moderators and most difficult for some folks to moderate themselves.

I would only consider people who have demonstrated the ability to be decent in response to disagreement and criticism, who have shown themselves to be humble, intelligent and able to think outside their own perspective. That said, we agree, choosing is a vital part of the equation. I am well aware, being one who has been the object of moderating in the past, on other sites.


It is probably a very good idea, but I would hope that you would have some system to deal with those who have been unfairly moderated.

Definitely. They can always contact me directly. Additionally, I don't foresee at this point offering any right to ban members to a forum moderator. That's going too far. They will have the power to delete a post, even a thread when necessary, yet will be more likely to send a private note beforehand, requesting the member him or herself modify the post. Kicking someone off the site is very serious, and should be the product of consultation on every level.

The two people I have in mind might actually end up needing to be coaxed into acting slightly more assertively in the role. That's how I want it, erring on the side of caution if anywhere.

Unfortunately, we do not currently possess the ability to modify posts at the administrative level, or move them to another forum. So that leaves a gulf between a request to modify (which necessitates the member being online) and deleting a post. I plan to rectify that dreadful condition when able. In the meantime, we might end up seeing a few posts deleted here and there. Figure it to be infrequent.

I have never seen a thing posted by you or 98 percent of the members that would even be discussed on the level of admin action.

And, so it is known, not a single forum participant has been banned since the changeover for anything said in the forums. And only one person known in the forums has been blocked at all, that after finding his profile to be one of many, all sending out amazingly similar letters in large quantities. That person was Paulmoi947 from Nigeria.
No. 42     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Marisa   Gender: F   Age: 27   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 1:48 PM     
RobertoVO5 wrote:

Marisa wrote:

RobertoVO5 wrote:

Hey..it's almost 9 o'clock Pacific time, and those threads are still there!

But, I agree. Time to kill the threads. Some people, like me, are trying to post more in line with the :playnice: philosophy and will appreciate the removal of temptation to go back to threads that are counterproductive to positive discussion.


WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!! :spot1:

:hug:


Marisa...is that a hug from YOU??? :wub: :cloud9:


:exactly: :wink:
No. 44     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  SneakyWeasleFace   Gender: M   Age: 26   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 6:30 PM     
I am a firm believer of mods.

I have been a part of a lot of sites and comes to realize the most enjoyable are the ones that are moderatored. People will be offended, but thats life. I say go for it
No. 45     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Eliyahu   Gender: M   Age: 28   on  Jan 22, 2006 at 8:40 PM     
Administrator wrote:

My view on the subject is shifting, in the direction of gentle and carefully applied intervention.

The reason for previously resisting moderators is due to having seen forum threads shut down at other sites merely because someone got offended over controversial opinions. That won't happen here.

The type of moderating under consideration (we already interene during extreme cases) will only deal with what I call playground rudeness, calling people liars, stupid, in other words, putting people down instead of challenging their ideas.

Depending on the infraction, requests for being more nice would be followed by a warning, then possibly a little time off to think things over and calm down, all the way to the ultimate option, being invited to play at another playground.

Please provide your idea or comment. Feel free to disagree. I sure would have done so not all that long ago.


That would be an excellent idea. I often find myself on the bad end of insults (well, actually, both ends of an insult are bad, both on the end of giving and receiving) during the debates, and quite frankly, they are getting old. Harrassment is also a problem where a person might follow you from thread to thread, where ever you post, and attack you on the same issue no matter where you go, causing threads to be hijacked and what not. And if you start a new thread, it gets hijacked by the same people chasing you around the board and changed to a different subject, and the person starts spouting of insults like "heretic" and what not.

The whole conflict starts when they ask you an off-topic question on one of your threads (hijacking), and from then on out, it's an all out pogram against you and your beliefs, consisting of your words being twisted around and used against you as the person jumps to conclusions and gets all bent out of shape about what he/she thinks you said (verses what you were actually saying) and blows everything out of perportion to try to make you look like the "heretic" they are trying to portray you as.

I think the very core of the issue is not doctrine itself that is the conflict, but rather, it is someone attacking someone else to make themselves look better, and any anomality, any difference that can be found in the person being attacked is used by the attacker to emphesize the idea that this person is a heretic, even if this person has Scriptural reasons for being the way he/she is.

This is something that is done by grade-schoolers, and should not happen here. What's more is that people who do this are claiming to be Christians, and that this is a "Christian" thing to do. It reminds me of the crusades that occured back in the Middle Ages. Granted, they are on such a harsh scale as they were back then, but it's the same attitude now as it was back then: attack the one who doesn't conform to the establishment, even if the establishment is wrong (not saying that the establishment is wrong or that it isn't, just giving an example).

The people who did the crusades in the Middle Ages were uncivil with those who didn't believe the way they did, (ex: Rome vs. Protestant Reformation), and the crusades are just as uncivil to those who do not conform to the "religious norm", even if the people are proclaiming belief in salvation by the Messiah.

How does it hurt you that they don't interpret the Scriptures according to such and such denomination? If we preach the Messiah, it might be the way you like, but we are still preaching the Messiah, even if we are quite a bit different from what is found in a non-Jewish setting.

Let's leave the civil wars and the crusades and pograms in history, along with attitudes as well, and not bring them into practice again. This site should be treated as something that is Qodesh (Set-Apart), like a house of worship. What you wouldn't do in a house of worship, I wouldn't suggest doing on this site. In fact, that's a good principal to have in general: If you wouldn't do it in Yahweh's House, don't do it at all.

Love in Yahweh,
Eliyahu
No. 46     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 55   on  Jan 23, 2006 at 9:27 AM     
monitor huh? It would depend on the policies; equally required by all; and then that we all are made aware of them.

It's an area that can get very tricky and very sticky. Some on MC like gum drop threads and thing anything more than that shouldn't be here. Some like to shock us with opinions they expresss here. more than they probably really practice those opinions in the real live world.

Some are blunt. Some are flowery, some are quoting the bible in every post without ever coming up with a paraphrased human thought of their own. Some get angry, some get shocked that anger still exisits in a Christian.

Some are "my way or no way"... and some are "anybodys way is just fine".

How do you monitor that? :duck:

Who desides what is respectful? Some threads clearly cross the line.. and it becomes ugly by all. The one person I have seen here that seems non judgemental but says whoa sometimes? Tav.

your site Dev..... I will support what you do.. and when I don't.. I can leave. Which is an option we all have.:salute:

Kari
No. 47     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  fred626   Gender: M   Age: 48   on  Jan 23, 2006 at 11:08 AM     
we definately need moderators on this site as some will not monitor themselves


fred:coffeenpc:
No. 47     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  SuperDave   Gender: M   Age: 22   on  Jan 24, 2006 at 11:32 AM     
Administrator wrote:
And, so it is known, not a single forum participant has been banned since the changeover for anything said in the forums. And only one person known in the forums has been blocked at all, that after finding his profile to be one of many, all sending out amazingly similar letters in large quantities. That person was Paulmoi947 from Nigeria.


Ok am i the only one who finds this last paragraph funny? Paul Moi? who would have thought the way this guy was preaching against scammers... funny old world huh?
No. 48     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  MrsW   Gender: F   Age: 52   on  Jan 26, 2006 at 9:15 PM     
I really appreciate your responses to my input! Thanks.

You say

Unfortunately, we do not currently possess the ability to modify posts at the administrative level, or move them to another forum. So that leaves a gulf between a request to modify (which necessitates the member being online) and deleting a post. I plan to rectify that dreadful condition when able. In the meantime, we might end up seeing a few posts deleted here and there. Figure it to be infrequent.


What if it were possible for a moderator to make a thread or response temporarily invisible until author has had an opportunity to respond to a moderators request?

BTW, the opposite of levoratatory is dextrorotary. I may have misspelled the latter. These words aren't in every dictionary and are probably antiquated.
No. 49     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Boxie   Gender: F   Age: 57   on  Jan 28, 2006 at 9:12 AM     

Hmmm, I think it perfectly logical that a spammer would speak against those who spoke against spammers, and try to guilt everyone into opening up to spammers out of "love." Phooey.

I think moderation has it's plusses and its pitfalls, depending entirely on the moderators.

I think the plan is good, the execution value remains to be seen. That's not to say it cannot be tweaked. At any rate, we all have the final word with our choice of participation.

Now IF I can just remember to get that money order when I am at the store...
No. 49     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  pabloanc539   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 31, 2013 at 6:28 AM     
Administrator,

I would love to become a forum administrator, I have never really indulged much in forum activity but I believe that I can be a fair and square forum administrator (moderator). There appears to be an overwhelming amount of forum activity on this site - and proper moderation of the site is a must for it's future success. My view on moderation is that the world is becoming more and more the playground of Satan, therefore we must uplift the values that we hold dear in no uncertain manner without compromise - but as you suggested it must be done in moderation with love, patience and kindness. I believe that it is a very difficult endeavor similar to balancing oneself on a tightrope.

Paul
No. 50     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Jul 14, 2013 at 7:01 AM     
Administrator wrote:

They can always contact me directly. Additionally, I don't foresee at this point offering any right to ban members to a forum moderator. That's going too far. They will have the power to delete a post, even a thread when necessary, yet will be more likely to send a private note beforehand, requesting the member him or herself modify the post. Kicking someone off the site is very serious, and should be the product of consultation on every level.



To the above quote ... AMEN !

When I first arrived on this site, the one thing that impressed me was how the administrator would " intervene " and " delete " a posting from someone not following the rules ( giving out email addresses, asking for money, etc. )

Moderators are needed ... for it allows others to see what will be accepted ( as far as HOW a post is being presented ) and what is not acceptable.

We all have a difficult time in expressing what we are trying to say or mean at times ... but this post does relate to what I was wanting to get across or present to the administrator.

I'm glad to see the responses being offered in this posting ... for I see wise counsel along with the approval of having moderators that will follow through with action when needed.

There are times when we can't see what we are doing or saying. We don't see how it's coming across to others.

The moderators will help all of us ... and give the opportunity to learn what we can't see on our own.

Again Randal ... you are on the right track ... every difficulty leads to something new .. and that's the joy that comes to us as we go through our struggles with Christ ... to see something new God is bringing to our attention ... when we couldn't see it on our own.

No. 51     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Elijah674   Gender: M   Age: 80   on  Aug 16, 2013 at 10:37 AM     
There is a good example of who we do not need as one of a couple dozen 'Mods' (try 250!) seen in Numbers 16:1-3.

[1] Now Korah, the son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, and Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On, the son of Peleth, sons of Reuben, took men:
[2] And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

[3] And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

And was God among then? Read on for what God did?

--Elijah
No. 52     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  BarrowedAngel629   Gender: F   Age: 61   on  Sep 23, 2013 at 12:25 AM     
For as long as I have known of this site you have been the very best! Your job has not always been so easy I am sure! But, you job has been outstanding! Thanks a bunch! Many will be your rewards. God bless!
No. 53     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Elijah674    Gender: M   Age: 81   on  Jul 2, 2014 at 6:31 PM     

The only thing needed is a theology (at least) post blocker!

--Elijah

No. 54     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  Elijah674    Gender: M   Age: 81   on  Jul 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM     




This was just posted,(but not by me)... "Yes I reported you, because of calling me a villain. Name calling is against the rules."

Is this true?

--Elijah



No. 55     Reply: Re: Revisiting the idea of forum moderators   
By:  insular926   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Apr 2, 2017 at 8:53 PM     
You're no Villain.