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No. 0     Original Topic: The catastrophe of Universal healthcare   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 8:57 AM   Viewed 674 times     

Every hospital and medical group where I live has been under construction and building for almost a decade, but even with this, there are not enough doctors, adequate triage and qualified nurses (let alone adequate parking and those with walking difficulties must use valet). Medical staff is tired. Patients are numbers in larger cities.

I have been taken my Mom to where the most wealthy patients in our area go for years and its become absolutely ineffective medical care over the past years. Drunk college students are being treated 'equally' as those with life threatening ailments. I asked why and was told it's the law? I suggested inadequate triage and was told if triaging then the drunk college student would be in the waiting area all night disturbing patients (I suggested behind bars or the curb might be a more appropriate place, but they are not allowed to refuse patients).

A friend of a friend most recently died in emergency from heart failure while he waited his turn. My Mom's last visit to the hospital consisted of nurses having 5 patients each and yet my Mom waiting 45 minutes (timed) for a nurse required to remove equipment so she can go to the bathroom (again it's where the wealthiest and those with golden ins. policies go).

I was told to take my Mom who had pneumonia for a year (back) to emergency so she can receive a procedure quicker. After several trips through the hospital though, we know they push to get patients out and on outpatient care. Out patient care tells us to go to emergency.

It's a is a catastrophe.

Yesterday I had to drive my Mom outside of city limits for care.

Bottom line for those who support Universal Health care: It ensures 'insurance' if you qualify. It does not ensure medical care.

I hope you, yourself are proactive with your medical care, because currently in larger cities, dying in emergency waiting your turn is what your own Universal Health care can bring you.


No. 1     Reply: Re: The catastrophe of Universal healthcare   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 11:19 AM     
CAsandie wrote:



Bottom line for those who support Universal Health care: It ensures 'insurance' if you qualify. It does not ensure medical care.

I hope you, yourself are proactive with your medical care, because currently in larger cities, dying in emergency waiting your turn is what your own Universal Health care can bring you.





Yes, we are watching a system that was imperfect be destroyed. Soon few will find help in the system.
While what we had did not help ALL, MANY who did not pay into the system found the care they needed. Not EVERYONE but MANY.
Now everyone but the most wealthy will have the same level of care...little to none.

I've stopped feeding the system. After decades of paying my premiums and watching them go up along with deductibles and choices of providers going down I said enough.
I take fairly good care of this body but I will die if the Lord tarry. It's a fact of life. I do what I can to stay and help family and serve Jesus but...
Government is not God and I do not look to any worldly system as my source. I will be faithful with all I am entrusted to look after and trust He will show me how to proceed.

No. 2     Reply: Re: The catastrophe of Universal healthcare   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 11:59 AM     
Worldly systems do not necessarily have to be bad; it kind of depends on what is the basis for their raison d'etre.

If the system is created on the basic idea of good service, then most likely it will fulfill that mission or be seeking to do so.

However, if it is more politically motivated (Obamacare) and based on a political philosophy (socialism), then it will operate with those political goals in mind, and end up not fulfilling its stated objectives, but rather the hidden goals of, in this case, socialism.

Unfortunately, the western world has embraced socialism as the philosophical basis structure of government, and since government tends to be heavy-handed on its own priorities, yet always seeking control of money systems (healthcare, in this case), the situation will not likely get any better.

We may have Trump as president, but the system is still socialistic.
No. 3     Reply: Re: The catastrophe of Universal healthcare   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 1:17 PM     
Thank you Vickie,

Now everyone but the most wealthy will have the same level of care...little to none.


Unfortunately, that means the middle class who worked our behinds off for good coverage as well.

Government is not God and I do not look to any worldly system as my source.


Amen and Amen! (you said much here. There are times when medical intervention can save our lives, but the greatest measure of health care is taking care of our bodies prior to needing medical intervention). I have resorted to natural health care (the costs are like a new premium) as well as the 'private' doctor I resourced outside of the medical conglomerate of 'patients as numbers' over that of patient 'care.'

Thanks again for your post. <3

No. 4     Reply: Re: The catastrophe of Universal healthcare   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 1:54 PM     
Storm --

but the system is still socialistic


Thank you (I agree) ... and this says much as people 'struggle' and potentially face death in the current health care environment.

Thanks for your post.