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No. 0     Original Topic: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 6, 2017 at 2:50 PM   Viewed 1006 times     
There is nothing greater in our lives. After Church yesterday, an elder Sister and I were discussing how when 'greater' struggles in life occur, we might experience a pouring down of other things that weigh us down that can occupy time and focus. This is true in everyday life, even in times that contain no struggles.

These words were shared: "God's Ministry is often 'followed' by a dark ministry what might be called a 'shadow Ministry.' (one that can tire us but that is definitely not in the Lord's Will for us). This thought offered here for contemplation if desired.

So what is the Lord's Will (please offer Scriptural support if answering this question). Is it a simple question?

I am certain that it is the most important question that a Christian ought to ask ourselves in obedience
.

Ephesians 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.


No. 1     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  another84   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 5:35 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

There is nothing greater in our lives. After Church yesterday, an elder Sister and I were discussing how when 'greater' struggles in life occur, we might experience a pouring down of other things that weigh us down that can occupy time and focus. This is true in everyday life, even in times that contain no struggles.

These words were shared: "God's Ministry is often 'followed' by a dark ministry what might be called a 'shadow Ministry.' (one that can tire us but that is definitely not in the Lord's Will for us). This thought offered here for contemplation if desired.

So what is the Lord's Will (please offer Scriptural support if answering this question). Is it a simple question?

I am certain that it is the most important question that a Christian ought to ask ourselves in obedience
.

Ephesians 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.






Mat 6:10 God's will be done in earth as it is in heaven.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him,Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

No. 2     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 6:13 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

There is nothing greater in our lives. After Church yesterday, an elder Sister and I were discussing how when 'greater' struggles in life occur, we might experience a pouring down of other things that weigh us down that can occupy time and focus. This is true in everyday life, even in times that contain no struggles.

These words were shared: "God's Ministry is often 'followed' by a dark ministry what might be called a 'shadow Ministry.' (one that can tire us but that is definitely not in the Lord's Will for us). This thought offered here for contemplation if desired.

So what is the Lord's Will (please offer Scriptural support if answering this question). Is it a simple question?

I am certain that it is the most important question that a Christian ought to ask ourselves in obedience
.

Ephesians 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.


John 4
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


John 8
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Any ministry that doesn't correspond to the call of Jesus for discipleship is subordinate and questionable.

So, anything that doesn't complement the words of Jesus need to be discarded as deviations.
No. 3     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM     
Another and Devaprakash -- Great verses! Thank you.

Another --

Mat 6:10 God's will be done in earth as it is in heaven.


There is so much to say in this verse (such a great verse when consider the Lord's Will). So we see in heaven -- satan expelled, the angels rejoicing God day and night and only Holiness.

I offer here a question I held as a Child, although now knowing the answer, for study: What does this stated in the Lord's prayer mean? Is it stated in prayer for the ushering in of His Kingdom or is this in prayer for us today as we stand?

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him,Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Our One Commandment given us by with the Lord. What seems easy, yet we see such failing in what ought to be so easy. A perfect example of God's Will in Commandment form to us! :thumb_up:

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Devaprakash --


John 423 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


Dev -- Here I ask a question I held when quite young and reading this. Free of what? (although knowing the answer ... offering this here for discussion and thought).

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


:thumb_up: (music to my ears)!

corresponding to this verse...knowledge is vital for obedience as we find in the OT:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. 7The more they multiplied, the more they sinned against Me; I will change their glory into shame.


Thanks again Another and Devaprakash -- Great verses!


No. 4     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 9:31 AM     
Offering a couple of scriptures here for consideration as well:

1 Timothy 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered on behalf of all men 2for kings and all those in authority, so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. 3This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all — the testimony that was given at just the right time.

A question (once again held when I was younger, but offered here for discussion) ... We see the Lord desires all men to be saved and in the same sentence we see to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Question: can the two be separated?

This question though is not to take away the importance of praying for all and living a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. Breaking it down: tranquil, quiet, all godliness, dignity.

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I am posting this scripture as a list intentionally ...

Thessalonians 5:12 We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
13 and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.
14 And we urge you, brothers, admonish the idle,encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with them all.
15 See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone.
16 Rejoice always,
17 pray without ceasing,
18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
19 Do not quench the Spirit.
20 Do not despise prophecies,
21 but test everything; hold fast what is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.

(any deeper thoughts on these verses)?
No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


Dev -- Here I ask a question I held when quite young and reading this. Free of what? (although knowing the answer ... offering this here for discussion and thought). 


Free from encumbrances, personal family responsibilities and obligations. Living in a spiritual realm of universal brotherhood. No bias towards any religious group. Striving towards perfection with the belief that Jesus is the way, life and truth.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



 
(music to my ears)! 

corresponding to this verse...knowledge is vital for obedience as we find in the OT: 

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. 7The more they multiplied, the more they sinned against Me; I will change their glory into shame. 


Feeling of music doesn’t help. For all doubts and readings from writings and hearing, it is the words of Jesus that should remind us to filter out what is a diversion. Not swept away by a rhetoric or scholarship. That is the proof of being led by the Holy Spirit.

For ex: If one proposes OSAS, we should reject it because it contradicts what Jesus said: "Only who endures to the end will be saved."
No. 6     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 10:14 PM     
Devaprakash -- thanks for your answer on John 8:32.

This in itself might make an interesting thread (to see how many answers there might be).

Appreciated.

No. 7     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Nov 10, 2017 at 5:54 AM     
Thank You, Lord ... During Times ... When We Simply ... Let Go ... Lean Back ... and ... Listen



No. 8     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 10, 2017 at 9:47 AM     

Thanks for contributing to this thread, RPM.

A Scripture given in the video:

Romans 12:2

Living Sacrifices

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.

No. 9     Reply: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 10, 2017 at 7:13 PM     
CAsandie wrote:


Thanks for contributing to this thread, RPM.

A Scripture given in the video:

Romans 12:2

Living Sacrifices

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.


These verses are being read and re-read over and over again for spurious claim of virtual reality in services by continuing to hang on to this world with no visible sign of sacrifices of any kind!
No. 10     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 10, 2017 at 8:04 PM     
Devaprakash -- If you are following Christ (Who could not do outside of the Father's Will), your life is for Lord's Will and not of this earth (sacrificial flesh)...

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is not of this realm.”




No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 11, 2017 at 1:26 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

Devaprakash -- If you are following Christ (Who could not do outside of the Father's Will), your life is for Lord's Will and not of this earth (sacrificial flesh)...

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is not of this realm.”


I am not a follower of Christ; I am just a believer in Christ.

Now deluded Christians are siding with political Zionists who have rejected Christ.

There on end to spurious claims and speculations in Christendom!
No. 12     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 11, 2017 at 7:53 AM     
I see. Well thanks for your thoughts here Deveprakash (that we've heard before, but apparently remains a focus on your mind).

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On the OP:

What is our sacrifice to the Lord?

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.


A thought about how we treat our parents:

1 Timothy 5:4 -- but if any widow has children or grandchildren, they must first learn to practice piety in regard to their own family and to make some return to their parents; for this is acceptable in the sight of God.



And what the Lord's Kingdom is and what we ought to submit to (His joy and peace):

Romans 14:17-18 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.



Here is an interesting scripture to explore:

Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, But the prayer of the upright is His delight.

No. 13     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 6:53 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

CAsandie wrote:


Thanks for contributing to this thread, RPM.

A Scripture given in the video:

Romans 12:2

Living Sacrifices

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.


These verses are being read and re-read over and over again for spurious claim of virtual reality in services by continuing to hang on to this world with no visible sign of sacrifices of any kind!


You are stumbling at the stumbling stone, namely thinking that YOU are able or capable of "doing something" by your own actions, righteousness, or Holiness that "justifies" yourself before the Lord.

It is a false concept that many people raised in religion struggle with.

The real truth of the matter is that there is NO sacrifice you can do on your own part that justifies you in the sight of God, NONE!

Your ONLY acceptable sacrifice is to accept the sacrifice of what JESUS did on the Cross and know and believe it is solely HIS sacrifice that was acceptable to God.

Our job is to accept and believe that fact.
No. 14     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 6:56 AM     
casandie wrote: What is our sacrifice to the Lord?

Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.


Bingo!:exactly:
No. 15     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 10:31 AM     
Thanks for your contribution here BF. I'm not on MC as much as I get ready for surgery, but this thread was placed upon my heart as I believe the Lord's Will should be in the forefront and evident in all things said and done.

I confess that times I have failed to call upon Him and have leaned upon my own understandings or my own faulty capabilities in life.

How important is it to think well and do well by others is something I consider rather vital (and difficult at times) in considering our Commandments from the Lord (which is love in 'active' form ... not words or an emotion).

Self correction and humility is so vital to perfecting ourselves in Christ if submitting to His Will.

(just sharing additional thoughts in addition to thanking you for your own).

No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 11:46 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

I am not a follower of Christ;(


We know!
No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 7:40 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

CAsandie wrote:


Thanks for contributing to this thread, RPM.

A Scripture given in the video:

Romans 12:2

Living Sacrifices

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God. 3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you.


These verses are being read and re-read over and over again for spurious claim of virtual reality in services by continuing to hang on to this world with no visible sign of sacrifices of any kind!


You are stumbling at the stumbling stone, namely thinking that YOU are able or capable of "doing something" by your own actions, righteousness, or Holiness that "justifies" yourself before the Lord.

It is a false concept that many people raised in religion struggle with.

The real truth of the matter is that there is NO sacrifice you can do on your own part that justifies you in the sight of God, NONE!

Your ONLY acceptable sacrifice is to accept the sacrifice of what JESUS did on the Cross and know and believe it is solely HIS sacrifice that was acceptable to God.

Our job is to accept and believe that fact.


Mere belief is hypocrisy. Faith without works is dead. No fruit of the Spirit, no salvation.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

I am not a follower of Christ;(


We know!


But you don't know that you are not a follower of Christ!
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 8:28 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

I am not a follower of Christ;(


We know!


But you don't know that you are not a follower of Christ!


Unlike you, I actually believe the Bible, not merely only 1/3rd of the New Testament like you do.
No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 8:41 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

I am not a follower of Christ;(


We know!


But you don't know that you are not a follower of Christ!


Unlike you, I actually believe the Bible, not merely only 1/3rd of the New Testament like you do.


You don't really believe Jesus and His words that have eternal life. You are digging back to the old to justify your misdeeds! :headbang:
No. 21     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 4, 2017 at 3:52 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

You don't really believe Jesus and His words that have eternal life. You are digging back to the old to justify your misdeeds! :headbang:


Stop drinking booze, it's making you look foolish!
No. 22     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 4, 2017 at 7:11 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

You don't really believe Jesus and His words that have eternal life. You are digging back to the old to justify your misdeeds! :headbang:


Stop drinking booze, it's making you look foolish!


Justifying military is indeed a manipulated misdeed that shames Jesus's preaching. In fact, you may go to the extent of calling Jesus a drunkard as many did in His lifetime! :naanaa:
No. 23     Reply: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Dec 4, 2017 at 9:49 AM     
Does anyone have more Scripture, guidance and thoughts about God's Will?

I am offering this Scripture as well:


Luke 9:23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

(was this offered above)?

(and prayer offered that we might seek only His good Will)...

Hebrews 13:20-21 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

No. 24     Reply: Re: Re: The Lord's Will   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 4, 2017 at 7:58 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Does anyone have more Scripture, guidance and thoughts about God's Will?

I am offering this Scripture as well:


Luke 9:23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

(was this offered above)?

(and prayer offered that we might seek only His good Will)...

Hebrews 13:20-21 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.



Ephesians 2
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

1 Timothy 6
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

2 Timothy 3
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Titus 2
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.