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No. 0     Original Topic: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:24 PM   Viewed 994 times     

(Romans 16:17-18 ) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

The word "mark" is from (skopeo) which means "to look at, behold, watch, contemplate;" which is used metaphorically of "looking to." It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. In (Luke 11:35) (skopeo) is translated "take heed."

The word "avoid" is from (ekklino) which means, "to turn away from, to turn aside, turning away from those who cause offences and occasions of stumbling, turning away from division makers and errorists." It seems that we are enjoined to keep out of their way and not fall in with them. Shun them, having nothing to do with them. It appears to me that this would pretty much demand absolute avoidance. The reason is obvious. If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel.

The church had not been in existence very long when false teachers entered the scene. (Acts 15:1) "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, {and said}, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved." Paul called them "false brethren." (Galatians 2:4) "


http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-romans-16-17-18.htm

An article I read as of late (although I am unfamiliar with its publisher and do not truly care. It's a good article and applicable to Christians in our walks).

There is a strategy of 'divide' and 'conquer' that satan might employ among what the Lord created (assembly of believers and Christians).

Just something revisited to consider.

Thoughts? Thanks!


No. 1     Reply: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Oct 31, 2017 at 1:02 AM     
CAsandie wrote:


(Romans 16:17-18 ) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."

The word "mark" is from (skopeo) which means "to look at, behold, watch, contemplate;" which is used metaphorically of "looking to." It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. In (Luke 11:35) (skopeo) is translated "take heed."

The word "avoid" is from (ekklino) which means, "to turn away from, to turn aside, turning away from those who cause offences and occasions of stumbling, turning away from division makers and errorists." It seems that we are enjoined to keep out of their way and not fall in with them. Shun them, having nothing to do with them. It appears to me that this would pretty much demand absolute avoidance. The reason is obvious. If a quarrelsome person is left to himself he will soon have nobody with which to quarrel.

The church had not been in existence very long when false teachers entered the scene. (Acts 15:1) "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, {and said}, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved." Paul called them "false brethren." (Galatians 2:4) "


http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-romans-16-17-18.htm

An article I read as of late (although I am unfamiliar with its publisher and do not truly care. It's a good article and applicable to Christians in our walks).

There is a strategy of 'divide' and 'conquer' that satan might employ among what the Lord created (assembly of believers and Christians).

Just something revisited to consider.

Thoughts? Thanks!


Poor populist Paul never practiced what he preached! He was the first one to cause division in Jerusalem Church and set the division-ball rolling, and it is thriving today with thousands of denominations purely based on his specific letters!
No. 2     Reply: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 9:58 AM     
Devaprakash -- This discussion is about the 'Scripture' -- not it's author. So, can you think of related scriptures that support or fail to support Roman 16's mark and ignore instruction given in the Bible? I am offering some scriptures below for further though (and would put to recall that Christ came with a sword Himself):...

Scripture offerings for consideration:

Matthew 15:4 13But Jesus replied, “Every plant that My Heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by its roots. 14Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. 2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Proverbs 13:20 He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will suffer harm. 21 Adversity pursues sinners, But the righteous will be rewarded with prosperity.

Proverbs 22:24-25 Do not associate with a man given to anger; Or go with a hot-tempered man, Or you will learn his ways And find a snare for yourself.


something else to consider:

Proverbs 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 9:7 He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. 8Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you. 9Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning.

Thank you.

No. 3     Reply: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 11:14 AM     
Ahhhhhhh ... the right word at the right time ... :goodpost:
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 11:23 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

Devaprakash -- This discussion is about the 'Scripture' -- not it's author. So, can you think of related scriptures that support or fail to support Roman 16's mark and ignore instruction given in the Bible? I am offering some scriptures below for further though (and would put to recall that Christ came with a sword Himself):...

Scripture offerings for consideration:

Matthew 15:4 13But Jesus replied, “Every plant that My Heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by its roots. 14Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. 2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Proverbs 13:20 He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will suffer harm. 21 Adversity pursues sinners, But the righteous will be rewarded with prosperity.

Proverbs 22:24-25 Do not associate with a man given to anger; Or go with a hot-tempered man, Or you will learn his ways And find a snare for yourself.


something else to consider:

Proverbs 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 9:7 He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. 8Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you. 9Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning.
Thank you.


Don't you know that scripture branding was done by men for something written by men? Or did it fall from heaven? :rolleyes:
No. 5     Reply: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 1:52 AM     
Thanks RPM.

Devaprakash -- the 'context' of the Scripture given here is the topic. I have included the words of Christ here for consideration for which I 'always' do compare and hold supreme in my own studies. Christ's Words are Superior over all. He is the Word. He is Lord. Thanks. If you have additional Scriptures to consider here, I appreciate your offerings.

No. 6     Reply: Re: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 5:55 AM     
CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash -- the 'context' of the Scripture given here is the topic. I have included the words of Christ here for consideration for which I 'always' do compare and hold supreme in my own studies. Christ's Words are Superior over all. He is the Word. He is Lord. Thanks. If you have additional Scriptures to consider here, I appreciate your offerings.


Divisions are bound to occur. Make sure you are on the side of Christ backed by His words.

Matthew 10: 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

If it can happen in a household, how much more so in a church?

Paul cannot be a source for this consideration. Division began with him!
No. 7     Reply: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 5:50 PM     
Divisions are bound to occur. Make sure you are on the side of Christ backed by His words.

Matthew 10: 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

If it can happen in a household, how much more so in a church?


I do agree with this. I believe the Lord created 'divisions' in the OT (even differing languages to protect His people against false religions).

It is the Lord Who 'gathers' His and Who started assembling us, so that we might through Unity share His message (not the things listed in the OP that we ought to avoid).

John 17:23 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Thanks for your thoughts here.



No. 8     Reply: Re: Re: Romans 16 revisited ...   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 8:09 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Divisions are bound to occur. Make sure you are on the side of Christ backed by His words.

Matthew 10: 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

If it can happen in a household, how much more so in a church?


I do agree with this. I believe the Lord created 'divisions' in the OT (even differing languages to protect His people against false religions).

It is the Lord Who 'gathers' His and Who started assembling us, so that we might through Unity share His message (not the things listed in the OP that we ought to avoid).

John 17:23 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Thanks for your thoughts here.


Another great verse of Jesus! His words have eternal life, and those who realize that glorify Him and look no further!