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No. 0     Original Topic:  Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 6:57 PM   Viewed 1017 times     
Been thinking a lot here lately about prayer. If some of y'all out there are like me, when you go out to eat, you like to say a short table grace. This is the thing that confuses me. On one hand, Jesus said to not be like the Pharisees and make a big show of prayer in public. Yeah, I get that, but on the other hand, if we do pray in public in such a way as to not draw attention to ourselves (like "headache prayers"), isn't that the same thing as not acknowledging Him before men? Or is praying in public the time that we go into our closet and our Heavenly Father sees what we do in secret? It seems like there's a fine line somewhere.

Just trying to start a friendly discussion. Any thoughts will be welcome.:wavey:
No. 1     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 7:47 PM     
Judy, You can pray anywhere you are as long as your prayer is sincere at heart. Those that the Lord is talking about that want to seen of men are not sincere in their prayers, they just want attention of others.

Is all about if your sincere at heart. Unfortunately many are not.

But to pray over your food before you eat it is perfect becuase you are simply thanking God for the food he gave that you are about to eat and you are sincere in heart. God wants us to be thankful.

Hoever it your started yelling your prayer in a restaurant so everyone there can hear you, thats not a sincere prayer, that would be to draw everyone's attention to you.

Both ways is publically done but one way is sincere and the other is not.

As far as headache goes...its fine to pray about it to the Lord as long as you dont do it over a loud speaker so to draw everyones attention lol.

Pray anywhere and everywhere but never to draw ohters attention and you will be good.

No. 2     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 8:02 PM     
A reminder TCG ( which you already know ) ... about being here in the Biblical Forum. As you also know, you are free to post in any other forum.

But I will say ... in agreement with you ...

" As long as your prayer is sincere at heart."

No. 3     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 8:44 PM     
Judy I apologize on behalf of rpm for his trying to ruin your thread. You have a nice thread here and i hope no one follows the way of rpm out of respect for you and your thread.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 8:59 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Judy I apologize on behalf of rpm for his trying to ruin your thread. You have a nice thread here and i hope no one follows the way of rpm out of respect for you and your thread.
TCG, thank you for your earlier post. But please keep your comments about others off of this thread. As I said earlier, I want to keep the discussion friendly.
Your post earlier was very insightful. I appreciate it.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:07 PM     
Judy757 wrote:

Been thinking a lot here lately about prayer. If some of y'all out there are like me, when you go out to eat, you like to say a short table grace. This is the thing that confuses me. On one hand, Jesus said to not be like the Pharisees and make a big show of prayer in public. Yeah, I get that, but on the other hand, if we do pray in public in such a way as to not draw attention to ourselves (like "headache prayers"), isn't that the same thing as not acknowledging Him before men? Or is praying in public the time that we go into our closet and our Heavenly Father sees what we do in secret? It seems like there's a fine line somewhere.

Just trying to start a friendly discussion. Any thoughts will be welcome.:wavey:


Judy,

I used to bow my head in college and it was known that I was praying. I did not however do this to look 'good' (most were not even Christian, so to the contrary ... it might have made me look wacky to the atheists there. One professor used to smile who was Jewish knowing I was in prayer).

My thoughts are at times we are 'announcing' our belief in Him to the world and I find this important. It is one thing to 'act' holy and it's another thing to acknowledge our faith publicly (which I find important in a world that denies Him).

I had atheist students considering 'praying' themselves when doing well on tests (I let them know I held no time for study and asked for the Lord's wisdom on things unstudied/unknown).

Declaring one's 'obedience' to the Lord as far as table grace, I also appreciate (again it is a declaration of 'thanks' to the Lord and putting our lives in His Hands).

It is a pleasant experience to see RPM praying often here on MC for this reason. I also agree with RPM as well and I'd add that there is no cause to pray if to foreign gods as do foreign religions do for that matter (the prayers are in sin/idolatry).

Thanks for this thread, Judy. Hugs! <3



No. 6     Reply: Re: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:25 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Judy757 wrote:

Been thinking a lot here lately about prayer. If some of y'all out there are like me, when you go out to eat, you like to say a short table grace. This is the thing that confuses me. On one hand, Jesus said to not be like the Pharisees and make a big show of prayer in public. Yeah, I get that, but on the other hand, if we do pray in public in such a way as to not draw attention to ourselves (like "headache prayers"), isn't that the same thing as not acknowledging Him before men? Or is praying in public the time that we go into our closet and our Heavenly Father sees what we do in secret? It seems like there's a fine line somewhere.

Just trying to start a friendly discussion. Any thoughts will be welcome.:wavey:


Judy,

I used to bow my head in college and it was known that I was praying. I did not however do this to look 'good' (most were not even Christian, so to the contrary ... it might have made me look wacky to the atheists there. One professor used to smile who was Jewish knowing I was in prayer).

My thoughts are at times we are 'announcing' our belief in Him to the world and I find this important. It is one thing to 'act' holy and it's another thing to acknowledge our faith publicly (which I find important in a world that denies Him).

I had atheist students considering 'praying' themselves when doing well on tests (I let them know I held no time for study and asked for the Lord's wisdom on things unstudied/unknown).

Declaring one's 'obedience' to the Lord as far as table grace, I also appreciate (again it is a declaration of 'thanks' to the Lord and putting our lives in His Hands).

It is a pleasant experience to see RPM praying often here on MC for this reason. I also agree with RPM as well and I'd add that there is no cause to pray if to foreign gods as do foreign religions do for that matter (the prayers are in sin/idolatry).

Thanks for this thread, Judy. Hugs! <3 Hugs to you too, CAsandie. You and TCG both had some really good thoughts. Appreciate you both.:smile:



No. 7     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:27 PM     
Judy757 wrote:

CAsandie wrote:

Judy757 wrote:

Been thinking a lot here lately about prayer. If some of y'all out there are like me, when you go out to eat, you like to say a short table grace. This is the thing that confuses me. On one hand, Jesus said to not be like the Pharisees and make a big show of prayer in public. Yeah, I get that, but on the other hand, if we do pray in public in such a way as to not draw attention to ourselves (like "headache prayers"), isn't that the same thing as not acknowledging Him before men? Or is praying in public the time that we go into our closet and our Heavenly Father sees what we do in secret? It seems like there's a fine line somewhere.

Just trying to start a friendly discussion. Any thoughts will be welcome.:wavey:


Judy,

I used to bow my head in college and it was known that I was praying. I did not however do this to look 'good' (most were not even Christian, so to the contrary ... it might have made me look wacky to the atheists there. One professor used to smile who was Jewish knowing I was in prayer).

My thoughts are at times we are 'announcing' our belief in Him to the world and I find this important. It is one thing to 'act' holy and it's another thing to acknowledge our faith publicly (which I find important in a world that denies Him).

I had atheist students considering 'praying' themselves when doing well on tests (I let them know I held no time for study and asked for the Lord's wisdom on things unstudied/unknown).

Declaring one's 'obedience' to the Lord as far as table grace, I also appreciate (again it is a declaration of 'thanks' to the Lord and putting our lives in His Hands).

It is a pleasant experience to see RPM praying often here on MC for this reason. I also agree with RPM as well and I'd add that there is no cause to pray if to foreign gods as do foreign religions do for that matter (the prayers are in sin/idolatry).

Thanks for this thread, Judy. Hugs! <3


Hugs to you too, CAsandie. You and TCG posted some good thoughts. Appreciate you both.:smile:
No. 8     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Tulip427   Gender: F   Age: 65   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:34 PM     
I believe there is nothing wrong saying a short prayer in public places as in Diners. We thank Him for the food he provided for us and for the hands who prepared it. Ask for His blessing, People make a big deal out of nothing. Jeshua always prayed before he did a task . We shall do the same . Asking for His wisdom and strenght. I enrolled into a Christian College and our professors prayed for us to succeed.Prayer is meditation. it is relaxing and gives peace inside, being in unity with Yeshua, God bless you all and keep on praying,
No. 9     Reply: Re: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:48 PM     
Tulip427 wrote:

I believe there is nothing wrong saying a short prayer in public places as in Diners. We thank Him for the food he provided for us and for the hands who prepared it. Ask for His blessing, People make a big deal out of nothing. Jeshua always prayed before he did a task . We shall do the same . Asking for His wisdom and strenght. I enrolled into a Christian College and our professors prayed for us to succeed.Prayer is meditation. it is relaxing and gives peace inside, being in unity with Yeshua, God bless you all and keep on praying,


:thumb_up:

No. 10     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 5:58 AM     
Okay ... I got rested up ... and had a fairly descent night of sleep.

I see " prayer " ... like tuning in to a radio station. Once the dial is set ... it's on all day.

Yes ... there are times when we will have some " static " ... but we just leave it on ... and when we sense we need to ... " turn it up " ... we can ... whether it's before a meal or at any moments notice ... when we have it on our heart to increase the volume.

When we do pray out loud ... it's not " FOR " show ... but " TO " show ... our trust in and thankfulness to Almighty God ... and to " declare " our dependence on our Good Lord, Jesus Christ.

If anything else comes to mind ... I'll be back ... and share some more.

Good thread Judy ... thanks for bringing it up.

No. 11     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM     
Thanks everyone for your feedback on this. :bowdown:
No. 12     Reply: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Oct 31, 2017 at 12:45 AM     
Judy757 wrote:

Been thinking a lot here lately about prayer. If some of y'all out there are like me, when you go out to eat, you like to say a short table grace. This is the thing that confuses me. On one hand, Jesus said to not be like the Pharisees and make a big show of prayer in public. Yeah, I get that, but on the other hand, if we do pray in public in such a way as to not draw attention to ourselves (like "headache prayers"), isn't that the same thing as not acknowledging Him before men? Or is praying in public the time that we go into our closet and our Heavenly Father sees what we do in secret? It seems like there's a fine line somewhere.

Just trying to start a friendly discussion. Any thoughts will be welcome.:wavey:


If one is alone, one can pause and pray in silence before eating. It is not done to show off but to thank God for His provision. If you are sharing food on a table outside, it should be done in a whispering manner with bowed heads to thank God. That gesture will tell the public who may be noticing you all that you are believers in Christ. That is an expected testimony you offer to the world which is too busy with other things in life.

In India when we go to eat out, either we have a whispering common prayer or individual silent prayer depending on the situation. No matter what, we need to thank God irrespective what people think otherwise before taking food.
No. 13     Reply: Re: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 31, 2017 at 12:01 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Judy757 wrote:

Been thinking a lot here lately about prayer. If some of y'all out there are like me, when you go out to eat, you like to say a short table grace. This is the thing that confuses me. On one hand, Jesus said to not be like the Pharisees and make a big show of prayer in public. Yeah, I get that, but on the other hand, if we do pray in public in such a way as to not draw attention to ourselves (like "headache prayers"), isn't that the same thing as not acknowledging Him before men? Or is praying in public the time that we go into our closet and our Heavenly Father sees what we do in secret? It seems like there's a fine line somewhere.

Just trying to start a friendly discussion. Any thoughts will be welcome.:wavey:


If one is alone, one can pause and pray in silence before eating. It is not done to show off but to thank God for His provision. If you are sharing food on a table outside, it should be done in a whispering manner with bowed heads to thank God. That gesture will tell the public who may be noticing you all that you are believers in Christ. That is an expected testimony you offer to the world which is too busy with other things in life.

In India when we go to eat out, either we have a whispering common prayer or individual silent prayer depending on the situation. No matter what, we need to thank God irrespective what people think otherwise before taking food.
Thanks, Dev. That's a good way of putting it. I always wondered where the "fine line" was to pray and to show others that we believe in Christ without making a show of it.
:goodpost: Thanks!
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: Prayer and table grace   
By:  Judy757   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Oct 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM     
Tulip427 wrote:

I believe there is nothing wrong saying a short prayer in public places as in Diners. We thank Him for the food he provided for us and for the hands who prepared it. Ask for His blessing, People make a big deal out of nothing. Jeshua always prayed before he did a task . We shall do the same . Asking for His wisdom and strenght. I enrolled into a Christian College and our professors prayed for us to succeed.Prayer is meditation. it is relaxing and gives peace inside, being in unity with Yeshua, God bless you all and keep on praying,
Thank you, Tulip.