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No. 0     Original Topic:  Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 7:49 AM   Viewed 1534 times     
Rpm says,
Hell to me ... is being " separated " from God forever and ever

Let take a look and see if his belief is true or false.

1. First, God is everyhwere, there is no place to hide from God.
2. God will never leave or forsake/abandoned you. It's a sad day when you got christians who say he will
3. The LOrd died for you so that you wouldn't remain dead in hell...All shall hear his voice and rise to judgment
4. "If I ascend up into heaven, You are there: if I make my bed in hell [Heb: sheol] , behold, You are there" Psalm 139:8.
5. Both sinners and saints go to hell/the grave. Here is what happens from hell/the grave. All shall hear his voice and rise... those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.…But this judgemnt is good for man because it is just God changing that man from corrupt to incorruptible and saved. Have you christians ever asked yourselves what those who have done good are doing in hell given your definition of it?
6 Hell has no victory. We will all leave there and have life again because of Christ.

what it amounts to is all are going there to hell/the grave and all will also hear his voice and rise. So they are not dead forever nor are they separated from God forever. Remember he will never abandoned us and hell has no victory.

all people are going to hell/the grave becuase it was appointed them for sinning...the wages of sin is death and no one is without sin. So we are all hellbound people. No one will escape death and the grave known as hell...the abode of the dead.
No. 1     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 8:18 AM     
You are just another "religious quack."
None of what you have written is true.

You are erroneously deceived...you haven't changed one iota from whence you came here. In fact your deception shows even greater.

and further more...you have no shame in mocking God.
No. 2     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 8:50 AM     
TCG is obviously quite unaware of the various meanings for words in the Bible depending on the context used. Thus she makes many assumptions and inaccurate accusations.

She does a lot of twisting of Biblical scriptures to derive different meaning from them than as written, and then attempts to say others are teaching in error when it is obviously she attempting to teach something other than what is in God's Word. She takes Scripture out of context and as a result does not understand.

I am not aware of any Christians teaching as she claims. Not in the context she attempt to elude to.

But I am really not sure what TCG is attempting to express with this thread. She titles the thread one thing, and then takes its into another direction altogether creating a false claim against others for an action that Christians do not do.

Appears to simply be unintelligible ranting.
No. 3     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 9:38 AM     
Verbatim wrote:

You are just another "religious quack."
None of what you have written is true.

You are erroneously deceived...you haven't changed one iota from whence you came here. In fact your deception shows even greater.

and further more...you have no shame in mocking God.

A religious quack?? Verbatim you're angry because you have a false interpretation of hell. You opinion of me, which is obviously really bad, does not answer anything anything concering what was written and or asked above. It would be nice if you kept your name calling and personal opinion of me to yourself. I am not mad at you for talking to me as you did but am asking you to leave your opinion of me out of this thread.

This thread is not about me asking people what they think of me so lets not do that. Its in bad taste. IF thats all you have to offer than you shouldn't say anything at all.


survivor said,
But I am really not sure what TCG is attempting to express with this thread.

Im responding to a quote I was sent in my mailbox today. I put the quote above and then responded. I think if someone tells me something I have the right to respond and this needed to be seen by everyone who believes what written in the above quote.

Don't you all want to know if hell not may not be what you think it is or was taught it is? There is nothing wrong with me showing why it can't be true whats quoted above about hell. Don't you want to know why it can't be true? or is it that it just dont matter to you whether its true or not, you're still gonna teach that falsehood about hell that christianity keeps techings even after being shown why it can't be true. If so then thats on you.

LIsten, I can lead a horse to water but I cannot make them drinkl. So knowing what i have shown you and you still want to believe what you do then do so but atleast you were shown otherwise.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 10:10 AM     
Promblem is, you appear to know not what you speak of. You mix apples with oranges when you speak of hell, thus taking the meaning at the time spoken out of context.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 10:17 AM     
OR its that you were never taught the correct interpretation. I think all followers of chrisitanity teachings should give alot of study and thought on the subject of hell since its the Lord we are talking about. Don't you believe The Lord who died for you is worth your time and effort in trying your wordly preacher to be sure he told you the truth. I mean who willingly wants to tell falsehoods on God esp when they been shown different.
No. 6     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 10:33 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

OR its that you were never taught the correct interpretation. I think all followers of chrisitanity teachings should give alot of study and thought on the subject of hell since its the Lord we are talking about. Don't you believe The Lord who died for you is worth your time and effort in trying your wordly preacher to be sure he told you the truth. I mean who willingly wants to tell falsehoods on God esp when they been shown different.
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No, that is not it at all. I have never been taught an incorrect interpretation. I have never had a worldly preacher.

An interpretation is not needed. Only need what God's Word shares.

Appears you are the only one thriving on carnal interpretations. You are the one I see sharing falsehoods on God.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 10:57 AM     
You took up chrisitanity for some reason. You have been taught and incorrect interpretation from a sinful earthly soul somewhere or your own privatte interpretation becuase your definition of hell is definately 100 percent incorrect.
No. 8     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 11:44 AM     
God called me to: strive to enter the strait gate.

Being a follower of Lord Jesus Christ is for the strong- sturdy warriors, this is not for the compromisers and weakings.
No. 9     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 12:05 PM     
Glad to see you back verbatim. I know you were really mad at me and im sorry for that. It was not my intentions to anger anyone.

As to your verse, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able

Do you know why they wont be able to get in? Its because they are sinners and all sinners go the broadway. physical death = broadway. The many is all because all are sinners. The many is all beucase all are appointed death. But thats not the end of man. The after death judgemnt is where man is changed by the Lord purifing their heart and mind so they are saved.

We are going to hell which is only the grave once we physically die verbatim. From there, there is gonna be a resurrection of all those in their graves and their change of heart and mind is gonna happen that results in their salvation and its becuase Christ died for them.

Hell has no victory. We are all going to have salvation.

No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 6:05 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

You took up chrisitanity for some reason. You have been taught and incorrect interpretation from a sinful earthly soul somewhere or your own privatte interpretation becuase your definition of hell is definately 100 percent incorrect.


Christ called me to Christianity. All believers whom follow Christ are Christians. That is Biblical.

I have no private interpretation that any sinful earthly soul has taught me. What I know is from God's Word.

Just what is my definition of hell? I doubt that you know, but you are never ending in your accusations and downing of others.

Where is this love for others you speak of? Most all you ever spew is vile and hate for others. You start thread after thread, such as this one, doing such.
No. 11     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 25, 2017 at 8:41 PM     
I know what the teachings of "christianity" are concerning hell.

Survivor I hate no one in here and this thread is not about hate.
No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I know what the teachings of "christianity" are concerning hell.

Survivor I hate no one in here and this thread is not about hate.


I am not sure of whom's teaching you are referring to, but Christianity's "hell" comes from the Words of Christ Himself, as written in the Word of God.

Regardless of what disturbing imagery and misery some relate to "hell", the deeper reality conveyed in God's Word is the fact that "hell" is a state of being separated from God. At least feeling as if you are. As someone already shared with you.

Theologically, "hell" is a state of being cut off from the "ground and source of being." A state of being utterly miserable, afflicted, and devoid of hope in spite of the fact that God is there with you.

Which is what Psalm 139:8 is sharing. "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

Psalm 139:8 also explains why the Christian God never sends anyone to hell. You can't go to hell except by your own choice. You make your bed where you choose to.
No. 13     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 6:18 AM     
"hell" is a state of being separated from God

NO survivor. Hell is the grave and those in the grave are in a state of unconsciousness. That dont mean we are separated from God. God will never abandon us. No matter where you are God is there. God resurrects everyone from hell/the grave, thats proof alone he is there and does not leave us or abandon us in hell.

Psalm 139:8 also explains why the Christian God never sends anyone to hell. You can't go to hell except by your own choice. You make your bed where you choose to.

That verse says no such a thing. Psalm 139:8 only says if you make your bed in hell/sheol, God is there. And the previous verse ps 139.7 tells you there is nowhere to flee from God's presence.

What gets us in hell is sin and it was God's judgment to put us in hell/hades/sheol/the grave. God's judgent is....The wages of sin is death. So who is guilty of sin....All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So we are all going to die and be in hell which is nothing but the grave where all those who pass away go. Hell is just the realm of the dead survivor. The dead are onlyh in a state of unconsciousness but they will all be risen to life by the Lord. You are only in a state of unconsciousness until God resurrects you and all in their graves/hell will be resurrected....all shall hear his voice and rise.

Refer back to post zero, my opening post and i showed you how both those that done good and the evil both are resurrected from hell/the grave.
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 9:44 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

"hell" is a state of being separated from God

NO survivor. Hell is the grave and those in the grave are in a state of unconsciousness. That dont mean we are separated from God. God will never abandon us. No matter where you are God is there. God resurrects everyone from hell/the grave, thats proof alone he is there and does not leave us or abandon us in hell.

Psalm 139:8 also explains why the Christian God never sends anyone to hell. You can't go to hell except by your own choice. You make your bed where you choose to.

That verse says no such a thing. Psalm 138:8 only says if you make your bed in hell/sheol, God is there. And the previous verse ps 139.7 tells you there is nowhere to flee from God's presence.

What gets us in hell is sin and it was God's judgment to put us in hell/hades/sheol/the grave. God's judgent is....The wages of sin is death. So who is guilty of sin....All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So we are all going to die and be in hell which is nothing but the grave where all those who pass away go. Hell is just the realm of the dead survivor. The dead are onlyh in a state of unconsciousness but they will all be risen to life by the Lord. You are only in a state of unconsciousness until God resurrects you and all in their graves/hell will be resurrected....all shall hear his voice and rise.

Refer back to post zero, my opening post and i showed you how both those that done good and the evil both are resurrected from hell/the grave.


Yes, back to the OP, were as you responded to a context of "hell" other than you opened with. You did not show anyone anything of merit related to what you opened with. You shared a carnal understanding of your context of "hell". You did not respond to the context of "hell" Christ and/or God's Word shares of, that RPM refers to.

You addressed the context of "hell" provided by someone else, with an inappropriate context of "hell". "Hell" as the grave is obviously not what RPM refers to. RPM refers to the context of "hell" that Christ clearly shares of in God's Word. Not the context of just a grave for a dead body.

Obviously that is the issue. You appear not able to grasp God's Word in context for what it clearly shares. You have some need to apply the context of "hell" as a grave to all contexts that God's Word shares of. That simply cannot be done, especially if one goes back to the original Biblical manuscripts of God's Word.

Christ speaks of "weeping and gnashing of teeth" of those who are "cast into outer darkness", see Matthew 8:12, 13:42, 22:13, 24:51, 25:30. Christ describes "Gehenna" as a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched", see Mark 9:44, 46, 48. He also has the rich man in the parable describe himself as inhabiting a "place of torment", Luke 16:28.

There is no way to stay true to the "whole counsel" of Scripture if one is unwilling to grasp God's Word for what it clearly shares. One cannot justly change and/or ignore Scripture to suit their own personal carnal desires.

You take God's Word out of context and twist it to sharing something altogether different than it shares. You "cherry pick" to create a personally authored message, thus not really sharing what God's Word shares. Same as you have done with my post. You quoted me out of context, and proceeded to create an entire post against some concept other than your own thread opened with. You reverted back to a context of "hell" that is not of what your quoting of RPM refers to, not what I refer to, and not what God's Word shared refers to.

In other words, you took advantage of RPM's quote, in an effort to advance some agenda other than the subject his quote is really about.
No. 15     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 11:34 AM     
survivor look up the biblical definition of sheol which hell was translated from. Thats all you gotta do. No need to complain
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 12:27 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

survivor that's your opinion and your are free to have an opinion just like everyone else. One day your opinion will not alwasy be negative. God is gonna change things. But for now it is what it is.



It's not survivors opinion...it is truth.

You show how deceived you are through what you write.
No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 12:40 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

survivor that's your opinion and your are free to have an opinion just like everyone else. One day your opinion will not alwasy be negative. God is gonna change things. But for now it is what it is.


I express no negative opinion in the slightest. In fact, when taken in perspective, what I express is very positive.

What I share is sImply what God's Word clearly and obviously expresses. Which is something quite different than what you share from the carnal, even if you do not choose to call it "hell". Simply read what Christ stated.

Again I believe we are discussing apples versus oranges, with you calling both concepts the same "hell", rather than accepting them as two different concepts of "hell" as the Bible shares them, depending on the context and relative perspective when being stated.

I cannot say you are totally in error, but the context you share of "hell" does not relate to the status RPM refers to. Which is the status Christ Himself refers to in God's Word. Again, simply read it. No need for an interpretation, a preacher, or a teaching. It is clearly written in His Word as stated by Christ.

You have a Blessed Day.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 12:48 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

survivor look up the biblical definition of sheol which hell was translated from. Thats all you gotta do. No need to complain


Not complaining in the slightest. The definition supports what I and God's Word shares on the matter.

The definition proves you have taken the term out of context and relating it to something else.

You are using it in a totally different context and perspective as shared in God's Word, as far as what RPM and I refer to.
No. 19     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 1:18 PM     
and the definition is ........
No. 20     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 26, 2017 at 10:49 PM     
Actually one needs to consider the word hades and the task in translation of the NT and Holy Scriptures (some translations use Sheol and Gehenna in direct translation for more accuracy for those that might over focus in areas that to me, myself hold less importance than Praising and obeying/loving Him):

Sheol. ... When the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek in ancient Alexandria around 200 BC, the word "Hades" (the Greek underworld) was substituted for Sheol. This is reflected in the New Testament where Hades is both the underworld of the dead and the personification of the evil it represents.


Isaiah 38:18 17"Lo, for my own welfare I had great bitterness; It is You who has kept my soul from the pit of nothingness, For You have cast all my sins behind Your back. 18"For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You; Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your faithfulness. 19"It is the living who give thanks to You, as I do today;

One should also consider Gehenna is also in English translations termed as 'hell.'

gehenna. n. "hell," 1620s, from Church Latin, from Greek geenna, from post-biblical Hebrew gehinnom, "Hell, place of fiery torment for the dead," figurative use of the place name Ge Hinnom "the Valley of Hinnom," southwest of Jerusalem, where, according to Jer. xix.5, children were sacrificed to Moloch.


The Valley of Gehenna (Hinnom is the place) was a real place where children were sacrificed to false gods as well as criminals had their bones broken and were thrown in the burning valley along with trash that was burnt (the fire in the valley was constant).

I appreciate how the Lord used 'human' examples so that we might hear and understand His Word that is truly quite clear in meaning regardless of how some fail to understand (which is sad).

Jeremiah 7:31 And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.

Consider how perfect His Word is! These people who went their own way (separated from God) and so it is called "hell" in English translation of this Valley of Gehenna.

The Word is Perfect! Praising Him!


No. 21     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 12:00 PM     
Your right it is sad that some don't understand.

what went on in ghenna was done by evil sinful people...not by the Lord. The Lord did not command it nor did that thought ever cross his mind. Why would you even think to accuse the Lord of doing what evil sinners did? After all the Lord is not a sinner, The Lord is not evil, thoughts of burning people never even crossed his mind and the Lord did not command it. Nor was that done in second death judgment where christianity claims it will occur. the Lord called it evil and you wnat to claim that our sinfree perfect loving Lord is gonna do that same evil upon man in second death judgemnt? Go figure

No. 22     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 12:46 PM     

One has to read the Bible instead of figuring on one's own [or with human emotions] to get a fuller understanding (the Bible is Perfect as is the Lord in His Judgements):

Rev 21:7 The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”

The Valley of Gehenna is metaphoric for the second death (a death of no return). It is wasteful of time living in a world of accusation against humans and lacking focus on God Himself Who is a Just Judge just as when Sodom was destroyed (as well as the corrupt inhibitors). God being Perfect has no cause to change and does not change.

No. 23     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM     
I would hope you know that parables, sign, and symbols are not to be taken literally. But if you dont believe it, why not believe the Lord who does not lie and said it was evil people who done that, thoughts like that never even crossed his mind and he did not command it.

It is way passed time for christianity to stop telling falsehoods on the Lord. You posted it yourself how the awful the Lord thought it was and that is was evil people who did and he said it in plain english to boot and still you want to turn around and still accused God of doing that evil to us. You're something else casandie. Thats all I can say.
No. 24     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 2:18 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I would hope you know that parables, sign, and symbols are not to be taken literally. But if you dont believe it, why not believe the Lord who does not lie and said it was evil people who done that, thoughts like that never even crossed his mind and he did not command it.

It is way passed time for christianity to stop telling falsehoods on the Lord. You posted it yourself how the awful the Lord thought it was and that is was evil people who did and he said it in plain english to boot and still you want to turn around and still accused God of doing that evil to us. You're something else casandie. Thats all I can say.


Meh...(same old meanness and accusations from you rather than addressing scripture as it is written and given above).

I didn't write it, tcg. It's scripture. I only explained it was a metaphor and a Perfect metaphor for the second death (for which no one will return).

As stated its a waste of time to be on an endless course of hating and accusing.

While I am certain you will have more to accuse/say...I still bid you peace and pray it might be for you. God Bless.

No. 25     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 2:48 PM     
I don't want to argue, I just want to know how you can believe christ will do what Christ himself calls evil even after he stated thoughts like that never even crossed his mind?

Its ok that you dont understand the symbolism in rev 21:7 even though I been telling everyone they are not understnading the verse for a decade now but as far as I see it, you dont have an excuse for following such a falsehood ANYMORE because you can understand what the Lord said in plain english in jer 7:30-31 verse which states:

30"For the sons of Judah have done that which is EVIL IN MY SIGHT," declares the LORD, "they have set their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, TO DEFILE IT. 31"They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, WHICH I DID NOT COMMAND, AND IT DID NOT COME INTO MY MIND.

And after the LOrd said all that above, you are still gonna accuse God of doing that to us in the second death judgement? Why would you do that? why would any christian do that? Who in their right mind would follow a religion that teaches so agianst God?
No. 26     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM     

TCG -- I'd just be repeating what you, yourself reject and fail to hi-light....

They worshiped false idols and Gods (in other words: they were separated from God):

"they have set their detestable things in the house which is called by My name, TO DEFILE IT. 31"They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire,"

They/we have a choice. Here it seems you might be coming to understand free will? You admit that God stated He did not command them to do this. Do you still deny limited free will? Do you suggest God made them do the evil then?

As for me, myself ... I do not accuse God. God is a Just God. He is not doing evil, but people have chosen otherwise and are judged by those same deeds. God can do no evil.

Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

Rev 21:6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”....

Rev 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


As far as what you stated here:

TCG wrote: I been telling everyone they are not understnading the verse for a decade now but as far as I see it, you dont have an excuse for following such a falsehood ANYMORE because you can understand what the Lord said in plain english in jer 7:30-31


You believe what you teach should be adhered to over the very clear understanding given in the Bible that teaches otherwise (I am not interpreting this, but simply offering the scriptures to read.

Do you fashion yourself as a teacher here and think you do well? (not a question. You can re-read what you wrote above if you care to).

I am politely leaving this discussion and this thread (I have limited time). You take care now!!!

No. 27     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 8:09 PM     
I am no more of a teacher than you are but I can read and understand english and i dont need to be a teacher to do that. why is it that the churches make God out to be no better than those the Lord called evil in jer 7:30-31. Do you really beleive God is evil like those in Jer7:30-31. After all these wordly churches are teaching it. You didnt respond to anything concerning what I asked you.
No. 28     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 27, 2017 at 10:42 PM     
Here it seems you might be coming to understand free will?

No. we are sinners because God made us that way for a purpose thats being fulfilled. There is so much in the bible proving freewill is just an illusion beucaes what we do is controlled by a higher source... The Lord. Freewill is a big subject so it needs its own thread.
No. 29     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM     
TCG wrote: You didnt respond to anything concerning what I asked you.


I responded directly and gave the scriptures again, but you seem to not understand ...

The scriptures speak for themselves. God is not worshiping fake gods as did those of Hinnom (where the Valley of Gehenna resides). Why do you suggest his 'metaphoric' example of the death of no return equates to the same thing? It does not. It is given for human comprehension of total destruction as a 'consequence' for choices made/separating oneself from God as did those in Hinnom who worshiped false gods).

God is Just and cannot and does no evil. The destruction of one's soul is by one's own hands as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah or Hinnom. Do you fault God for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah?

God destroyed evil. He does not perform evil. Adam and Eve were warned the same as those in Hinnom who failed to follow the Lord's Commandment and instead separated themselves from God by disobedience or worshiping other gods.

TCG -- You often fail to see I directly answer questions you pose, but let me just say that your questions are 'accusations' rather than posed as questions. It is why 'ignoring' your discussion on 'your' religion is done (it is not to be rude in anyway by those who choose to hit the ignore button). Actually you might suggest God is acting then, since you think people do not choose.

Now if history repeats itself, you now will continue to accuse me (for which is irrational to most onlookers) for answering you here and sharing Christian beliefs. No matter.

I am again 'politely' excusing myself from your thread (again) and bidding you will regardless. God Bless.


No. 30     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 11:41 AM     
No soul have ever been destroyed by God or anyone else. A body is not a soul. Separation from God is about sin making us different than God. It means God is sinfree and we are sinners. Because of sin we are enemity against God. That's all it means. It is NOT and never has been about God abandoning us. God will never leave or abandon us...a verse you should believe but don't.

If your child, whom you dearly love with all your heart , was not like you.... would you abandon your own child? NO? Well neither does God.

God is Just and cannot and does no evil

that's right and you should remember that everytime hellfire crosses your mind [based on your definition of what it is.]

No. 31     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 12:25 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

No soul have ever been destroyed by God or anyone else. A body is not a soul. Separation from God is about sin making us different than God. It means God is sinfree and we are sinners. Because of sin we are enemity against God. That's all it means. It is NOT and never has been about God abandoning us. God will never leave or abandon us...a verse you should believe but don't.

If your child, whom you dearly love, was not like you would you abandon your own child? NO? Well neither does God.

God is Just and cannot and does no evil

that's right and you should remember that everytime hellfire crosses your mind [based on your definition of what it is.]


Nobody said anything about 'abandoning' anyone here, TCG ...

As predicted in my last post ... your response contains more accusations over that of a reasonable discussion held here.

I told you long ago that I believe in the second death (which is a death of no return). Fire is figurative/metaphoric. I stated this here in this thread as well if you sought to understand what I post, TCG...

instead of just accusing and playing teacher.

**sigh

Sodom and Gomorrah indeed was destroyed. It's a reality as much as death is a reality and the consequence of sin. Ppl worshiping foreign gods is a sin and the consequence seen in the Valley of Gehenna ... so are those destined if they do not repent and turn away from sin and turn to the Lord.

Genesis 19:24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

(it is not the Lord abandoning anyone, but ppl abandoning the Lord despite the consequences of sin laid out before them as clear as it was for Adam and Eve).

We are to repent and abstain from sins that lead to death (all sin more accurately stated, but no man except for the Son of Man was capable, yet we do see the Lord took Enoch and Elijah and they did not die in the flesh).

Take care (I've hi lighted things so you might read them instead of just throwing out accusations on things not conceived or mentioned. Either way, it's not an enjoyable discussion when one's posts are misstated). A third time...I am politely leaving this tread regardless of accusations.

Take care.
No. 32     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 12:34 PM     
yes you did. You admitted your belief is A death of no return and that equals abandonment. Ya know casandie, you and others alwasy post the verse aobut the good resurrected to life and the evil resurrected to judgment. Well from that scriture alone it tells you a death of no return is false since both good and evil are resurrected from death. A death of no return doesn't fit into scripture anywhere in a bible casandie.
No. 33     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 12:58 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

A death of no return equals abandonment. Ya know casandie, you and others alwasy post the verse aobut the good resurrected to life and the evil resurrected to judgment. Well from that scriture alone it tells you a death of no return is false since both good and evil are resurrected from death. A death of no return doesn't fit into scripture anywhere in a bible casandie.


the "second" death, tcg.

Not abandonment. Pre - warned just as Sodom was.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

(please note that second is underlined and hi lighted above). Prays lifted (running to take my Mom to a CTscan today on Saturday/they are so overbooked where we go that they work on Saturdays).




No. 34     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 2:32 PM     
the "second" death, tcg.

if the word "second" in second death judgment is what troubles you it is not the second death of a man, its just judgment. this judgment is the free gift of salvation through christ. recall that in this lake of fire/second death judgemnt...man is SAVED yet so as by fire....God's spiritual fire. It is where God purifies the man's heart/mind which results in his salvation. And the only reason this second death judgemnt was granted to us is becuase Christ died for us. The blood of christ is the only reason we are all granted an undeserved judgemnt of salvation.

first death is physical body
second death is the doing away with sinfulness in the man so that he is saved. the Lord changes you from corruptible to incorruptible which = salvation.

For what you have been taught about second death true, you would have to remove the verses below out of the bible.

O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory? thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!…

And alot of other verses.
No. 35     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 28, 2017 at 6:44 PM     
TCG -- I do not understand why you can not understand what is written so clearly. It appears you do not want to.



There are those with names in the book of life. These are those:

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

There are those that will face judgement for their deeds and words. Not all shall Christ acknowledge (workers of lawlessness). These are those:

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

That IS the judgement, but there is no word 'judgement' in the term given to us in Scripture. It speaks of what the judgement is, which is the second death.

The lake of fire is the second death for which there is no more life -- just as it was in Hinnom. Just as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah.


Good has NOT changed. God has NOT changed.

No. 36     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 4:27 AM     
TCG -- I do not understand why you can not understand what is written so clearly. It appears you do not want to.

Thats what I feel about you. You dont see becuase you dont want to see anythng except rpm. After your horrible evil display tonight in general, I realized that your heart is set on rpm and his evil. thats your first love, not God. I dont even believe you like God just a little bit after what you did. You put God in the backseat if you even let him in the car at all. Your display and his was dispicable and that's too nice of a word for what you and your buddy did. You lie for rpm constantly and that dont affect me but it shows what you think about God who hates lying. Everything you did showed your dislike for God and love for evil. Im sorry I ever met either one of you.

I don't want to hear from you all again and I have rpm blocked. The two of you took your hatred for me out on God and you just took it way to far. I dont want an explaination from yu becuase there is none for what you did.

I need to talk to people who are serious and treat God with the respect he deserves and you and rpm seem
totally incapable.
No. 37     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 7:34 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I don't want to hear from you all again and I have rpm blocked.



NO DISCUSSION
No. 38     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:52 AM     
I Didn't ask you for one and you are incapable of having one. But you will never stop me from making threads.... not now, not ever.

I tell ya what, im gonna die soon and you better get to studying death and the afterlife real quick instead of wasting your time playing your severe God hating games with casandie all over the place becasue im gonna return as a vengeful spirit and im paying your house thats built upon the sand a visit...one you will never forget.

Every plant not planted by my heavenly Father will be rooted up.
you and your sidekick

They are blind guides>>>rpm leading the blind>>>casandie..... and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall in a ditch."

No knowledge and no concern for the consequences.

No. 39     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:36 AM     
Let us not be desirous of vain glory.


Galatians 5.26
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


Websters 1828 Dictionary


VAINGLO'RY, noun [vain and glory.] Exclusive vanity excited by one's own performances; empty pride; undue elation of mind.

He hath nothing of vainglory

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory Philippians 2:3.

No. 40     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 11:00 AM     
Thanks for posting that verbatim. Sometimes its good to be reminded esp when angry. rpm and his sidekick should have thought about that before the acted as they did.
No. 41     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 2:27 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Thanks for posting that verbatim. Sometimes its good to be reminded esp when angry. rpm and his sidekick should have thought about that before the acted as they did.



:thumb_up:
No. 42     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:50 PM     
False accusations are never good. It is the way of satan and for sure vanity.

texascowgirl -- I am in no way connected to your attacks against RPM (and others here or you suggesting yourself a victim), because he is standing against your teaching against Christian and Biblical doctrine here. You are starting the quarreling though from my outsider's view. Just because I can see this: don't involve me in your quarreling.

I was trying to have a separate discussion with you here...

But you only seek to teach against Christian doctrine and falsely accuse, create division, strife and quarrel.

Meh.



No. 43     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:15 PM     
False accusations are never good. It is the way of satan and for sure vanity.

I am a victim of your hate and rpm hate and it brings out the worst in both of you. If you know that quoted comment above then why do you do it to me constantly. Its becuase thats what you do best. You will say you don't because lying is also what you do best. Lying is your best quality. You and rpm are the most evil worst God hating christians I have ever came across in my entire life. I hope you and your buddy burn in that hell you so believe in. But the fire is gonna get you.You will not escape the lake of fire whatever you think it is, you will not escape it neither will rpm.

It is christians like you and rpm that give other christians a bad name.
No. 44     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:23 PM     
TCG -- You ignore over 50 who have suggested no less than I have. It appears you have hate for RPM because he is a Christian teacher of the Gospel that you fight against here on MC.

I hate nobody and I am not connected to RPM or you or anyone here in anyway. You need to be humble enough to learn if you seek to teach though (as I said in GD yesterday).

Listen to Verbatim if you chose to hate others, but I do hope you listen to someone one day.

Verbatim wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

survivor that's your opinion and your are free to have an opinion just like everyone else. One day your opinion will not alwasy be negative. God is gonna change things. But for now it is what it is.



It's not survivors opinion...it is truth.

You show how deceived you are through what you write.


No. 45     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:33 PM     
And I have spoken the truth here -- It is your aim on MC to teach against Christianity (below is in your own words from this thread):

texascowgirl283 wrote:

You took up chrisitanity for some reason. You have been taught and incorrect interpretation from a sinful earthly soul somewhere or your own privatte interpretation becuase your definition of hell is definately 100 percent incorrect.


Leaving you here with your anger and false accusations, tcg.

Always praying and wishing the best for you and that you might one day decide to learn and make the choice to seek peace in your heart. Your lack thereof and depression might be contributing to your physical health concerns. I speak the truth here with caring whether you reject this or not.
No. 46     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:43 PM     

The truth deserves to be stated here though: It's God's creation of Hell which is eternal destruction (not Christians)

No. 47     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:56 PM     
Casandie, I do not want to hear from you. everything you speak is so worthless and full of lies. Your a demon and so is your buddy. You and rpm dont know the first thing about God. If you claim you do, then you just hate him plain and simple. You and rpm are definately haters of God and I mean without a doubt. Don't post nothing to me about God becuase your hate for God makes me sick to my stomach.

As I siad you and rpm give christians a very bad name.

you and rpm worship God with your lips THE HYPOCRITES WAY and your hearts are a trillion miles away from him.

I take it back you're not a demon becuase demons are nicer than you and rpm. I dont think a demon could even out lie you. You are rpm make demons look good.

But dont worry, The "fire" is gonna burn every single bit of that evil out of you and the married man you chase around like a nasty dog in heat.
No. 48     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

TCG -- You ignore over 50 who have suggested no less than I have. It appears you have hate for RPM because he is a Christian teacher of the Gospel that you fight against here on MC.

I hate nobody and I am not connected to RPM or you or anyone here in anyway. You need to be humble enough to learn if you seek to teach though (as I said in GD yesterday).

Listen to Verbatim if you chose to hate others, but I do hope you listen to someone one day.

Verbatim wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

survivor that's your opinion and your are free to have an opinion just like everyone else. One day your opinion will not alwasy be negative. God is gonna change things. But for now it is what it is.



It's not survivors opinion...it is truth.

You show how deceived you are through what you write.





I refuse to be involved in the bicking between you and texascowgirl...please leave me with peace.

God is the only one who can give someone ears to hear, if it be necessary to do so.

Surrender all, Sandie...be pleasing to Lord Jesus Christ.

No. 49     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 8:52 AM     

Vebatim -- There is only 'one' showing hostility and anger here.









No. 50     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 9:13 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Casandie, I do not want to hear from you. everything you speak is so worthless and full of lies. Your a demon and so is your buddy. You and rpm dont know the first thing about God. If you claim you do, then you just hate him plain and simple. You and rpm are definately haters of God and I mean without a doubt. Don't post nothing to me about God becuase your hate for God makes me sick to my stomach.

As I siad you and rpm give christians a very bad name.

you and rpm worship God with your lips THE HYPOCRITES WAY and your hearts are a trillion miles away from him.

I take it back you're not a demon becuase demons are nicer than you and rpm. I dont think a demon could even out lie you. You are rpm make demons look good.

But dont worry, The "fire" is gonna burn every single bit of that evil out of you and the married man you chase around like a nasty dog in heat.


Now this is an interesting response.

A pot attempting to call the kettle black?

But people do behave in such manners when they cannot prove the validity of their argument.
No. 51     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 12:18 PM     
If your trying to say it takes two or more to fight, congradulations you finally graduated pre school.

But the difference is them two goons are proud to do evil, lie for each other, and pat each other on the back for it and desire more followers of their evil. They are the stumbling blocks that causes others to stumble.

Im the one they cause to stumble because its me they are lying on and attacking.

No. 52     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 9:00 PM     
TCG -- I haven't even a clue of why you are angry and putting me down (again). I know you are angry at RPM because he refuses to talk about your religion (this is easily seen in threads).

I didn't refuse though. I instead did discuss the Bible with you -- to a point (you offered no scriptures just beliefs you held and told me to wait for you to deliver scriptures).

You appear mad because I didn't desire to engage in the discussion anymore and stated you are teaching without listening (so there is no exchange between us for which a discussion is). All I can say about this follows:

I do not come to a site named "meetchristians" to discuss foreign doctrines at length...

So you are upset with me for speaking my mind in reality, but do you really feel name calling, blaming others for your own behavior and bringing up old threads in which to down people obsessively is Godly behavior?

My faith is my faith and I stand against mixing Christian Doctrine with foreign religions (as I see you attempt to do). It's idolatry in my belief, so not something I care to be a 'student' for.

Hate me for this and call me a 'goon' if you so chose. It will not change my beliefs and it certainly will not cause me to want to listen to your religion at any greater level (to the contrary -- there is no love in your posts and the absence of respect and love is something I don't care to be around).

I do not and did not seek any quarrel or to side with RPM. I am my own person. If it's one you despise -- then so be it, but walk in peace (not hate). Your life (in general; not just here in forums) will go better if doing so.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Survivor -- thanks.


No. 53     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 9:06 PM     
TCG -- I haven't even a clue of why you are angry and putting me down

Yes you do, you well know. Your lies just never stop. May God forgive you and may you stop being a stumbling block for others.
No. 54     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 9:25 PM     
TCG -- I stated all I know above. I know in GD, I stated you would have to find someone else to teach and a discussion requires 'listening' and 'respect' for other's years of study and I presented Scriptures for my own believes (which is Christian Doctrine). I did not state this to be mean, but honest with you.

I stand by this. I never insulted you (even here I am not, even though you are calling names and acting without any love). I want no part of that kind of exchange, but have stated the truth here (that I have no idea why you are mad at me [again]) in hopes of peace for 'you' (I am not angry myself nor do I feel anything near hatred for anyone).

If you only seek to call names then I repeat my own feelings, which are: may God bless you.



No. 55     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 9:52 PM     
Do not talk about being a teacher. Its stupid, childish and Im tired of hearing it. YOU nor I are teachers and now that we have established that for the 100th time shut up about it. You dont have to be a teacher to discuss differences on biblical issues. All you gotta do is be able to read.

And in GD you were so evil and for no reason whatsoever and you have the gall to wonder why christian persecution exist. mind blowing just plum mind blowing.

I am not gonna read anymore of this because I have had more than enough of your playing victim when you are a full blown out of control villian....something you share with rpm.

And no I am not angry while typing this to you. Im just telling you how it is and it matters none who comes in to defend you. I know what I see and what I see is whats real. No one can lie to me but they can post lies all day and all night long is they want to.
No. 56     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 10:21 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Do not talk about being a teacher. Its stupid, childish and Im tired of hearing it. YOU nor I are teachers and now that we have established that for the 100th time shut up about it. You dont have to be a teacher to discuss differences on biblical issues. All you gotta do is be able to read.

And in GD you were so evil and for no reason whatsoever and you have the gall to wonder why christian persecution exist. mind blowing just plum mind blowing.

I am not gonna read anymore of this because I have had more than enough of your playing victim when you are a full blown out of control villian....something you share with rpm.


Here is the link to the thread from GD ...

http://www.meetchristians.com/php/fr_view_thread.php?TID=1522069&F=2&rp=28&p=1

I see no 'evil' you speak of here performed. I gave a lot of scriptures and spoke my mind.

How is there a discussion if you only care about what you believe? Is it evil to bring this to your attention? It is clear for all to see that you were in GD to teach though, TCG (the link is above). Although it seems you are angry that it is recognized.

If you desire to hate without cause. It is your decision. I am too old for name calling or to be affected by anything less than sticks and stones. Again, I am presenting this for 'peace' for 'you.' Hate is harmful for one's soul and health. Again, I love everyone.

I will apologize to you if this was too harsh for you, but I called you no names and did not seek quarrel. I spoke my beliefs.

Lifting prayers for you and wishing peace for you.
No. 57     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 10:33 PM     
I was there in person I dont need a link. thks though. It started in general and your evil went everywhere rpm did.

We are done. You are not a friend, your are not nice, you are not anything good. As far as Im concerned you are nothing but a lying waste of space.

Now I have wasted more than enough of my time responding to you. You just need to do what i told rpm to do....seek God..... and repent for being you.
No. 58     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 10:57 PM     
I was there in person I dont need a link.


Do you not know this is a forum? (in person)? You speak as if this forum is more than it is at times. I think I read you state above that you wish you never met me (we have not met). I hope you have friends to talk to in your life, Roxanne. This is just a website (no we were never personal friends nor friends beyond MC, but I will still care about you and never wish harm to you or anything bad to happen to you). That aside....

Links do not lie.

Again, hate and be angry if you choose, but it is not good for your soul or health. I have tried for 'your' peace here (there is nothing in this for me, since you only offer insults and name calling to me. You also use the Bible as a spell book in telling another off ... rather than for 'love' as it was created by a Loving Father). <--I'd consider how the Lord feels about such a thing.

This is it for me then. You can't say I didn't try to resolve any hurt feelings you might have (well you can if you choose. You can say the sun is purple, but it will not change. Nor does God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and who flooded the earth (yes, all those people who did not believe).

You take care TCG (<--not sarcasm).





No. 59     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 11:18 PM     
It means I was in the thread and saw all your evil that you did.

Links dont lie but you do and its one of your best qualities.

Im out for tonight and I dont want you to bother talking to me tomorrow because you are not worth even a half a second of my time.

You want pity go find it elsewhere.
No. 60     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 31, 2017 at 8:39 AM     

Again TCG -- sticks and stones (pity for what)? Do you think you have the ability to hurt me with cruel words? Meh! (Not going to happen).

I've posted here speaking the truth and not caring about myself (do you think I enjoy your put downs and false accusations)?

Still wishing you peace and praying upon you.

No. 61     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 10:23 AM     
"if there is not a hell to be saved from, then there is absolutely no need for a Savior to rescue us from it. A Savior is meaningless without a certain death."

-from The Five Warnings of Hebrews
No. 62     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 1:04 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

"if there is not a hell to be saved from, then there is absolutely no need for a Savior to rescue us from it. A Savior is meaningless without a certain death."

-from The Five Warnings of Hebrews

the problem is I never siad tjhere wasn't a hell. Hell is only the grave where all the dead are burried. People make it out to be somelthing so insane by claiming a place of forever torture by the Lord. The Lord resurrects us from hell/the grave where the dead are and not a torture chamber of people burning in a literal fire. Christ resurrects the dead all of them but some of you teach they are there forever and thats not true.
No. 63     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 4:09 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

"if there is not a hell to be saved from, then there is absolutely no need for a Savior to rescue us from it. A Savior is meaningless without a certain death."

-from The Five Warnings of Hebrews

the problem is I never siad tjhere wasn't a hell. Hell is only the grave where all the dead are burried.


No, the problem is that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to scripture. There are at least 3 Greek words that refer to hell, and only one, sheol, refers to what you define 'hell' as, and you ignore the rest probably because your theology is insufficient to cover their concepts.

This is nothing new. I myself have attempted to share the differences of the meanings of the words to you some time ago, but then, as now, you prefer to continue to ignore them in favor of a lopsided view of hell, so there is no point to get into it again.

Fortunately, everyone is pretty much aware of your weak theology, and, in turn, ignore it as you ignore scriptures that expose your weak thinking.
No. 64     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 6:16 PM     
show me which scripture doesn't mean the realm of the dead, death or the grave where the dead are. Show me any that mean something different. There are no people alive in hell...they are all dead or sleeping the sleep of death. Hell is for dead people not living ones.
No. 65     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 6:53 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

show me which scripture doesn't mean the realm of the dead, death or the grave where the dead are. Show me any that mean something different. There are no people alive in hell...they are all dead or sleeping the sleep of death. Hell is for dead people not living ones.


Stormchaser wrote:

This is nothing new. I myself have attempted to share the differences of the meanings of the words to you some time ago, but then, as now, you prefer to continue to ignore them


Been there...done that...not wasting any more time on the unteachable.
No. 66     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM     
then don't complain.
No. 67     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 7:37 PM     
Posting quotes is not complaining.

Here's a new one for you...


Those on the fast-track to Hell pay scant attention to the slower but surer track to eternal salvation.

- Stormchaser
No. 68     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 8:05 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

show me which scripture doesn't mean the realm of the dead, death or the grave where the dead are. Show me any that mean something different. There are no people alive in hell...they are all dead or sleeping the sleep of death. Hell is for dead people not living ones.


The Scriptures were posted early on in this thread. You ignored them in lieu of your made up stuff.
No. 69     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 8:07 PM     
Posting quotes is not complaining.

you were complaining about me being wrong about hell...thats complaining yet you refused to post the scriptures i asked you for where it wasn't applied to the dead.
No. 70     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 8:14 PM     
"if there is not a hell to be saved from, then there is absolutely no need for a Savior to rescue us from it.

Those in hell/the grave are dead. He resurrects us from death to life. No one who who dies stays dead forever which goes agianst those who teach once there you can never get out. He raises both...those who have done good and those who done evil. those who dont good dont need change and those who done evil need change. A change is not another death of man
No. 71     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 9:39 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

show me which scripture doesn't mean the realm of the dead, death or the grave where the dead are. Show me any that mean something different. There are no people alive in hell...they are all dead or sleeping the sleep of death. Hell is for dead people not living ones.


The Scriptures were posted early on in this thread. You ignored them in lieu of your made up stuff.


Yep I offered definitions and Scriptures on page 1, before tcg started irrationally attacking Christianity (and myself). As I stated in GD (and got personally attacked for and called a milestone [or was it a goon?] for suggesting): There is not a real conversation (or discussion) on the Bible if scriptures and other's posts are not even being given any consideration, because tcg only desires to teach her own alternative religion and attack Christianity here on this Christian based site.

At best it wastes valuable time and effort. Storm has alluded to something similar above (as well as RPM who is under vicious attack/false accusations now for posting he will no longer be discussing Biblical topics with tcg [it appears he is further standing up against the 'cowardly' verbal abuse by members]).

Mod to add ... I think unlike RPM that I will not even be visiting unorthodoxed forums in the future.

I keep getting threatened with 'fire' by a woman when she feels offended by my gentle posts ... the same woman who accuses Christians of teaching hell fire as a sin (no need to explain the irony I'm sure). :-p

It is my own conclusion after recent personal attacks at non-confrontational posts to tcg that entertaining verbal abuse, (false accusations) and false teachings is not doing tcg a favor in the larger picture (nor is it something that I feel is Spiritually healthy).

1 Cor 6:9 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
No. 72     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 1, 2017 at 11:05 PM     
because tcg only desires to teach her own alternative religion

stop accusing.
No. 73     Reply: Re: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 12:43 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:
because tcg only desires to teach her own alternative religion

stop accusing.


Several of us stating the 'apparent' 'truth' is not an accusation nor is it intended as an insult. Have you read your own OP (it's a teaching about your 'alternative' religion).

You've proven you do not give the time nor respect to other's posts ... and just continue teaching your alternative religion. You take over threads in GD teaching your own religion even though admin gave you this platform (unorthodoxed forum) to teach. It's an obsession with you that 'everyone' is aware of if they have 1/8th of a brain here.

Read admin's 'rules' for unorthodoxed (it states 'over' teaching/taking over forums in GD).

All one needs to do is review this thread, tcg. I realize you've been modifying your posts, but my goodness, tcg ... the OP is teaching your alternative religion!! It's not an accusation. It's a fact.

What is being posted by others is not to offend you, but for the sake of 'truth' TCG. There can be no peace without truth.

I'm out of here though. You've slandered my very Lord, twisted the facts like a true swindler one too many times. Plus ppl have to capture your posts or they get modified by you to support your fiction victim story. It's all too time consuming and a waste of effort.

The truth is this entire website is defiled by your obsession of teaching a false gospel...and insulting/harassing others if they say: enough, no more (like RPM did).

I'm outta it though. I've said my 1st amendment rights here (as Crayons would say in peace, called you no names, made no threats). I'm not listening to your false teachings and entering your thread games here on MC or nonsense drama anymore. Instead of creating threads using member's names here to draw them in ... why don't you just try leaving people alone that are not interested in your alternative religion. Stop harassing people and claiming it's the other person.




No. 74     Reply: Re: Hell is not a separation from God forever as some teach.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 7:53 AM     
Casandie, If you have nothing worthy to say, please dismiss yourself out of here. thks.