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No. 0     Original Topic:  What is the Gospel?   
By:  YoBro-MOTBOC   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Oct 18, 2017 at 3:48 PM   Viewed 1572 times     
I am making a simple question that should have a simple answer. I hear many definition's from different aspects of individuals; their belief when explained to one that knows nothing of the scripture is really interesting.

If you will give your answer in as few words of explanation(s) with the scripture that goes along with what you believe it is to be would be appreciated.


You could say I am cheating on a document I am working on. My reasoning is because most of my study books are in storage until I find a place I can afford to live at. And I am not able to print anything to lay side by side for a qualified answer.


THANKS EVERYONE
No. 1     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 18, 2017 at 5:43 PM     
Hi John! (nice to see you post)! This is a great question and it is interesting seeing different answers.

We find in theological studies that 'gospel' (=good news/revelation of Christ) is often stated as 4 different gospels (to include the first four books of the NT). Yet, I believe there is 1 Gospel (One faith, one Lord, one baptism as we find in Scripture).

I would use this scripture in defining what the Gospel is:

“Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time” (1 Corinthians 15:1–6).


Mark 1 also has great Scripture on the matter:

14: Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


So in as few words as possible: The Gospel of Christ is the good news or testimony of God's Kingdom coming and salvation possible for believers through Christ's sacrifice.

No. 2     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Oct 18, 2017 at 8:54 PM     
YoBro-MOTBOC wrote:

I am making a simple question that should have a simple answer. I hear many definition's from different aspects of individuals; their belief when explained to one that knows nothing of the scripture is really interesting.

If you will give your answer in as few words of explanation(s) with the scripture that goes along with what you believe it is to be would be appreciated.


You could say I am cheating on a document I am working on. My reasoning is because most of my study books are in storage until I find a place I can afford to live at. And I am not able to print anything to lay side by side for a qualified answer.


THANKS EVERYONE


Matthew 4
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


The spoken words of Jesus form the Gospel. All our concepts should conform to what Jesus said. Then only we can say it is the leading of the Holy Spirit in our understanding. Anything that opposes that is a speculation!
No. 3     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Tulip427   Gender: F   Age: 65   on  Oct 20, 2017 at 8:28 PM     
That is true. He also came to restore His Father from a gruesome and punishing God to a loving Father, We can see this in all His Parables. He wanted us and the Jews to see His Father as he was in the Beginning and not what the High priest and the Pharisees made Him.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Oct 20, 2017 at 8:36 PM     
Tulip427 wrote:

That is true. He also came to restore His Father from a gruesome and punishing God to a loving Father, We can see this in all His Parables. He wanted us and the Jews to see His Father as he was in the Beginning and not what the High priest and the Pharisees made Him.
:thumb_up:
No. 5     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  YoBro-MOTBOC   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 1:11 PM     
YoBro-MOTBOC wrote:

I am making a simple question that should have a simple answer. I hear many definition's from different aspects of individuals; their belief when explained to one that knows nothing of the scripture is really interesting.

If you will give your answer in as few words of explanation(s) with the scripture that goes along with what you believe it is to be would be appreciated.


You could say I am cheating on a document I am working on. My reasoning is because most of my study books are in storage until I find a place I can afford to live at. And I am not able to print anything to lay side by side for a qualified answer.


THANKS EVERYONE


First I will present the various scriptures from the answers given to my original question.
WHAT IS THE GOSPEL


1 Corinthians 15:1-6
Matthew 4:23
John 14:16


First Known Use: around the 12th century !
Definition of gospel according to Merriam Webster Dictionary
1
a. often capitalized: the message concerning Christ, the kingdom of God, and salvation
b. capitalized :one of the first four New Testament books telling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; also :a similar apocryphal (see Apocrypha 2) book
c.: an interpretation of the Christian message
The social gospel
2 capitalized: a. lection (see lection 1) from one of the New Testament Gospels
3: the message or teachings of a religious teacher
4: something accepted or promoted as infallible (see infallible 1) truth or as a guiding principle or doctrine
Took her words as gospel
Spreading the gospel of conservation
5: gospel music
Although the word GOSPEL was introduced into the English language in the 15th century it is used in translation of Old Testament doctrine(s).

What follows are the few OT translated studies where the use of the 'word' not "WORD" gospel is used.
EXAMPLES
Psalm 47:1
1 The Prophet exhorteth all people to the worship of the true and everlasting God, commending the mercy of God toward the posterity of Jacob. 9 And after prophesieth of the kingdom of Christ in the time of the Gospel. [ To him that excelleth. A Psalm committed to the sons of Korah. ] All people clap your hands; sing loud unto God with a joyful voice.
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Book of Tehillim (Psalms):
47:1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
47:3 He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.
47:4 He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.
47:5 God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet.
47:6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
47:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
47:8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
47:9 The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.
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Isaiah 11:1
1 Christ born of the root of Jesse. 2 His virtues and kingdom. 6 The fruits of the Gospel. 
10 The calling of the Gentiles. But there shall come a rod forth of the stock of Jesse, and a grass shall grow out of his roots.
The Book of Yeshayahu (Isaiah): Chapter 11:1-4
11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
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Isaiah 35:1
1 The great joy of them that believe in Christ. 3 Their office which preach the Gospel. 8 The fruits that follow thereof. The desert and the wilderness shall rejoice, and the waste ground shall be glad and flourish as the rose.
The Book of Yeshayahu (Isaiah): Chapter 35:1-9
35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
35:2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
35:3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
35:6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
35:9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there: 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
Isaiah 54:1
1 More of the Gentiles shall believe the Gospel than of the Jews. 7 God leaveth his for a time, to whom afterward he showeth mercy. Rejoice, O barren that didst not bear: break forth into joy and rejoice, thou that didst not travail with child; for the desolate hath more children than the married wife, saith the Lord.
The Book of Yeshayahu (Isaiah): Chapter 54:1-17
54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; 54:3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
54:4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
54:6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
54:7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.
54:11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
54:12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
54:14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 60:1
3 The Gentiles shall come to the knowledge of the Gospel. 8 They shall come to the Church in abundance. 16 They shall have abundance though they suffer for a time. Arise, O Jerusalem; be bright, for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
The Book of Yeshayahu (Isaiah): Chapter 60:1-3
60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Now with these OT teachings from the translated texts the conclusion should be that the combination of these several verses are collaborated to refer to the person of the GOSPEL/WORD/TRUTH of the CHRIST. Of whom the dictionary term “gospel” does not factor in the WORD or GOSPEL that JESUS Himself spoke of. Therefore if relying on those scriptures alone to not give meaning to my original question as I stated it according to what my true intent is. And that the simple question in itself falls short and therefore the answer(s) given are all true; yet lacking through no fault other than the question itself within the TOPIC.

As I look back to when I first posted my question I find that I fell short (of the TRUTH) in my question itself and therefore there is no "SIMPLE ANSWER" !! So if I may here reword my question and see what we come up with.
What is the gospel according to Jesus's teachings or yet what is the GOSPEL HE wants to be taught?
No. 6     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 7, 2017 at 9:35 PM     
Jesus' words, His life and way constitute the Gospel.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  YoBro-MOTBOC   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 11:46 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Jesus' words, His life and way constitute the Gospel.


BINGO ! !

Colossians 1: 18-20
19 For it pleased the Father, that in him should all fullness dwell.

20 And through peace made by that blood of that his cross, to reconcile to himself through him, through him, I say, all things, both which are in earth, and which are in heaven.

Key WORD(S) ALL...FULLNESS...PEACE..BLOOD..RECONCILE...ALL THINGS...WHICH ARE IN EARTH...AND...WHICH ARE IN HEAVEN

2 Corinthians 5: 18-20

18 And all things are of God, which hath reconciled us unto himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given unto us the ministry of reconciliation.

19 For God was in Christ, and reconciled the world to himself, not imputing their sins unto them, and hath committed to us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then are we ambassadors for Christ: as though God did beseech you through us, we pray you in Christ’s stead, that ye be reconciled to God.

18 Again Key WORD(S) ALL THINGS ARE OF GOD....WHICH RECONCILED US UNTO HIMSELF...BY(THROUGH)CHRIST....AND HATH GIVEN TO US....MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION

19 GOD WAS IN CHRIST...AND RECONCILED WORLD TO HIMSELF...COMMITTED TO US...THE WORD OF RECONCILIATION.

20 WE PRAY YOU "BE RECONCILED TO GOD"

Mark 16:15

15 And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.

Key WORD(S) HE(JESUS) SAID...GO INTO ALL THE WORLD...PREACH...GOSPEL TO.. EVERY.....CREATURE.

No the chase is on. Compare these verses with other translations, you will find ALL CREATURES to be EQUAL to ALL FLESH just as the Genesis creation of ALL FLESH CREATURE.

But in my humble opinion is the repeating of RECONCILE.

rec•on•cile: verb, transitive + intransitive
¦re-kən-¦sî(-ə)l
rec•on•ciled; rec•on•cil•ing; rec•on•ciles
transitive verb
1
[transitive] a : to make consistent or congruous : harmonize ….When feelings and facts are in opposition, people will find—or invent—a way to reconcile them
b : to obtain agreement between (two financial records) by accounting for all outstanding items
2 a: [transitive] : to restore to friendship, compatibility, or harmony (2) [intransitive] : to be restored to friendship or harmony : to become reconciled
b [transitive] : adjust, settle 3
[transitive] : to cause to submit to or accept : to bring into acquiescence with 4
[transitive] a : to restore
b : to restore to sacred use especially by reconsecration


I suggest the use of: https://www.biblegateway.com/ and other sites such as Strong's etc
No. 8     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 21, 2017 at 9:32 PM     
Thanks for this thread YoBro!

No. 9     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Nov 30, 2017 at 7:30 PM     
The word, "gospel", means good news, or good message (from Strong's Greek definitions). Jesus began preaching to the Jews the good news (gospel) of the kingdom, and they rejected Him. Through their rejection and His crucifixion, the Jews unwittingly provided the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world. The good news is now for everyone, both for the Jew as well as everyone else. The good news is Christ crucified. That is the gospel. He died for our sins and thus provided for our reconciliation by His own blood. The gospel is a clean slate, a new start, a new birth. It makes our relationship with God. Before, God is some deity out there, a Judge to fear, a god to hate or not believe in - but now, because of the gospel (Christ crucified), He is our Heavenly Father, who is with every sparrow that falls to the ground, and loves us far more than all the birds. The gospel is good news. But you have to believe it.
No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Nov 30, 2017 at 9:04 PM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

The word, "gospel", means good news, or good message (from Strong's Greek definitions). Jesus began preaching to the Jews the good news (gospel) of the kingdom, and they rejected Him. Through their rejection and His crucifixion, the Jews unwittingly provided the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world. The good news is now for everyone, both for the Jew as well as everyone else. The good news is Christ crucified. That is the gospel. He died for our sins and thus provided for our reconciliation by His own blood. The gospel is a clean slate, a new start, a new birth. It makes our relationship with God. Before, God is some deity out there, a Judge to fear, a god to hate or not believe in - but now, because of the gospel (Christ crucified), He is our Heavenly Father, who is with every sparrow that falls to the ground, and loves us far more than all the birds. The gospel is good news. But you have to believe it.


No, the good news is the resurrected Jesus. Otherwise, He would have been an another prophet of the old!

John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Crucifixion ought to be a bad news. It was so for the great apostle Peter though he was reprimanded by Jesus for his noble and humane thought!

Your stand appears to be of Roman Catholic version. Nevertheless, they called crucified day 'Good Friday' because we have resurrection day following it. However, unfortunately, they have never let Jesus to be risen again. For them Christ still on the cross all the time. His death pays penalty for the sins of the mankind. Who is bothered about afterlife really?

No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Dec 1, 2017 at 5:53 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

The word, "gospel", means good news, or good message (from Strong's Greek definitions). Jesus began preaching to the Jews the good news (gospel) of the kingdom, and they rejected Him. Through their rejection and His crucifixion, the Jews unwittingly provided the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world. The good news is now for everyone, both for the Jew as well as everyone else. The good news is Christ crucified. That is the gospel. He died for our sins and thus provided for our reconciliation by His own blood. The gospel is a clean slate, a new start, a new birth. It makes our relationship with God. Before, God is some deity out there, a Judge to fear, a god to hate or not believe in - but now, because of the gospel (Christ crucified), He is our Heavenly Father, who is with every sparrow that falls to the ground, and loves us far more than all the birds. The gospel is good news. But you have to believe it.


No, the good news is the resurrected Jesus. Otherwise, He would have been an another prophet of the old!

John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Crucifixion ought to be a bad news. It was so for the great apostle Peter though he was reprimanded by Jesus for his noble and humane thought!

Your stand appears to be of Roman Catholic version. Nevertheless, they called crucified day 'Good Friday' because we have resurrection day following it. However, unfortunately, they have never let Jesus to be risen again. For them Christ still on the cross all the time. His death pays penalty for the sins of the mankind. Who is bothered about afterlife really?



Yes He is alive! And because He lives, we can live also. But He had to die, and His death was for us. He died in our place and took upon Himself the sins of the world. The crucifixion of Jesus Christ is good news for that reason. It was indeed the worst crime in the history of the human race, because He was the only person who ever lived who never, ever sinned at all. And they tormented Him and hung him on the cross. At the same time, it was the very best thing that ever happened in the history of the human race, because that is what it took to reconcile us to God, and He laid down His own life - make no mistake. Nobody took His life, though sinful men were indeed the instruments of the cruelty He endured. Jesus Christ Himself laid down His life, and He took it up again.

Only God can take two extreme opposites and join them together to create reconciliation. The worst crime and the greatest salvation met in one event and in that moment in time, RECONCILIATION. Only God does these things.

John 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 
10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 


Aren't you glad He laid down His life for us?

1st Corinthians 2:2  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 11:26  For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.  


The crucifixion of Jesus Christ for our sins IS good news!
No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 1, 2017 at 7:10 PM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

The word, "gospel", means good news, or good message (from Strong's Greek definitions). Jesus began preaching to the Jews the good news (gospel) of the kingdom, and they rejected Him. Through their rejection and His crucifixion, the Jews unwittingly provided the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world. The good news is now for everyone, both for the Jew as well as everyone else. The good news is Christ crucified. That is the gospel. He died for our sins and thus provided for our reconciliation by His own blood. The gospel is a clean slate, a new start, a new birth. It makes our relationship with God. Before, God is some deity out there, a Judge to fear, a god to hate or not believe in - but now, because of the gospel (Christ crucified), He is our Heavenly Father, who is with every sparrow that falls to the ground, and loves us far more than all the birds. The gospel is good news. But you have to believe it.


No, the good news is the resurrected Jesus. Otherwise, He would have been an another prophet of the old!

John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Crucifixion ought to be a bad news. It was so for the great apostle Peter though he was reprimanded by Jesus for his noble and humane thought!

Your stand appears to be of Roman Catholic version. Nevertheless, they called crucified day 'Good Friday' because we have resurrection day following it. However, unfortunately, they have never let Jesus to be risen again. For them Christ still on the cross all the time. His death pays penalty for the sins of the mankind. Who is bothered about afterlife really?



Yes He is alive! And because He lives, we can live also. But He had to die, and His death was for us. He died in our place and took upon Himself the sins of the world. The crucifixion of Jesus Christ is good news for that reason. It was indeed the worst crime in the history of the human race, because He was the only person who ever lived who never, ever sinned at all. And they tormented Him and hung him on the cross. At the same time, it was the very best thing that ever happened in the history of the human race, because that is what it took to reconcile us to God, and He laid down His own life - make no mistake. Nobody took His life, though sinful men were indeed the instruments of the cruelty He endured. Jesus Christ Himself laid down His life, and He took it up again.

Only God can take two extreme opposites and join them together to create reconciliation. The worst crime and the greatest salvation met in one event and in that moment in time, RECONCILIATION. Only God does these things.

John 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 
10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 


Aren't you glad He laid down His life for us?

1st Corinthians 2:2  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 11:26  For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.  


The crucifixion of Jesus Christ for our sins IS good news!


No, to put it bluntly, it is indeed a sadistic feeling to declare His death as something good!

Notice Jesus speaks of His sacrifice in conjunction with His resurrection. What needs to be proclaimed is His supernatural resurrection, not unnatural death!

How much Paul, a ritualistic Pharisee, knew about the preaching of Jesus? Hardly anything!
No. 13     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Dec 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM     
Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 6:09 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Jesus' words, His life and way constitute the Gospel.


Male up you mind, the Gospel is either what Jesus did for us or what we do for him.

You can't have it both ways!

Your posts in the general forum contradict what you are posting here!

A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways...
No. 15     Reply: Re: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 6:16 AM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


And believe you me...Devaprakash has been stumbling!

He fails to understand that the Lord did it ALL!

And when the Lord said, "It is FINISHED!" he actually meant it! :yeahthat:

He thinks we, "add" to the finished work of Christ on the Cross by our alleged righteousness, perceived holiness, etc.
No. 16     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Dec 2, 2017 at 6:20 AM     
The Gospel in a nutshell is what Jesus did for me on the Cross, not what I do or think I do for him.

It is so simple actually a child can understand it.

It takes a religion bound adult to get it all messed up!

2 Corinthians 11:3
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By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 7:28 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Jesus' words, His life and way constitute the Gospel.


Male up you mind, the Gospel is either what Jesus did for us or what we do for him.

You can't have it both ways!

Your posts in the general forum contradict what you are posting here!

A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways...


There are three aspects of the Gospel: way, life and truth of Jesus. Are you aware of this?
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By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 7:32 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


And believe you me...Devaprakash has been stumbling!

He fails to understand that the Lord did it ALL!

And when the Lord said, "It is FINISHED!" he actually meant it! :yeahthat:

He thinks we, "add" to the finished work of Christ on the Cross by our alleged righteousness, perceived holiness, etc.


A typical Indian joke:
Husband to his wife: After our marriage your ambition was completed, and I was finished!:rofl:
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By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 3, 2017 at 7:35 PM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


What is the great deal in declaring the death of person! :twocents:
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By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Dec 8, 2017 at 7:34 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


What is the great deal in declaring the death of person! :twocents:


Isaiah 53:5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 
53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 
53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 
53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken
53:9  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 
53:10  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 


Nobody else ever died for my sins. That's what makes His death the greatest event in human history. Yes, he lives and is risen! But even that could not occur without His death.

Hebrews 10:14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 

That offering would be His death - His sacrifice. By that offering He has perfected forever all who put their trust in Him. His death on the cross in our place, taking our judgment upon Himself, paying the price for us what we could never afford - this is good news. The word, "gospel" means good news.

And I thank my God who provided His Son, who willingly laid down His life so that I might find forgiveness and granted the righteousness of God, and everlasting life!
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By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 8, 2017 at 9:16 PM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


What is the great deal in declaring the death of person! :twocents:


Isaiah 53:5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 
53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 
53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 
53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken
53:9  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 
53:10  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 


Nobody else ever died for my sins. That's what makes His death the greatest event in human history. Yes, he lives and is risen! But even that could not occur without His death.

Hebrews 10:14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 

That offering would be His death - His sacrifice. By that offering He has perfected forever all who put their trust in Him. His death on the cross in our place, taking our judgment upon Himself, paying the price for us what we could never afford - this is good news. The word, "gospel" means good news.

And I thank my God who provided His Son, who willingly laid down His life so that I might find forgiveness and granted the righteousness of God, and everlasting life!


All these come to nought without His resurrection. Your points are in tune with Roman Catholics who don't want Jesus Christ to raise from the cross!So they continue to carry and worship the cross with Jesus still on it. Our belief is based on the empty tomb and cross!
No. 22     Reply: Re: What is the Gospel?   
By:  bodyservant56   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Dec 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM     
John both you and Jeff have touched on this and some have skirted around it.

the gospel or good news, proclamation is about the Messianic kingdom. It that the Messiah is born, lived, taught his truth, declared the coming change of covenant, from the Mosaic covenant to the New Covenant in his own blood, declared the judgment of God upon rebelling Israel and its leaders, and his sure salvation.

I have been considering this for twenty years now, in light of the completed kingdom work of Jesus.

I use Messiah instead of Christ because we all think we know what the gospel of Christ is. But for about 30years I heard the gospel as one of personal redemption, salvation in his blood. I now see this as only one part of the whole gospel of the Messianic kingdom.

Read the four gospel tellings we have, over and over we find teaching about the kingdom.

Central is that the kingdom of God, based on those who are descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel, is replaced by the Messianic kingdom, made up of all who follow the Messiah Jesus in the faith of Abraham.

Part of the good news of the kingdom is that salvation has come to all men, no matter their blood lineage.

Matt. 4:23 And Jesus went around all Galilee teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and every sickness among the people.

Mark 1:14 And after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Luke 4:43 But He said to them, It is right for Me to proclaim the gospel, the kingdom of God, to the other cities, because I was sent on this mission.

These are early mentions of the gospel that Jesus proclaimed starting in Galilee.

It started with the house of Israel, as the promise was first given to them. And as John tells us, He came to his own, and his own received him not, but as many as received him were given power to become the sons of God.

Israel as a whole was in rebellion to God at this point in their history. The gospels also record Jesus proclamation of the soon coming judgment wrath of God to them because of it. Israel proved their great rebellion by killing the very Son of God, rejecting their Messiah and putting him to death. Only a remnant of Israel accepted her Messiah and were saved from the judgment of God upon Israel.

To understand what the gospel really is, we have to look at the big picture of the gospel of the kingdom. Then we can rightly place the parts of this great work of God, such as redemption, personal salvation, reconciliation of all men to God.

I have posted youtube teaching from Scott Fisher on the Messianic Kingdom, it really is about the gospel of the kingdom. He gives many of the parallel passages from the OT that are declared fulfilled in the NT gospels.
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By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Dec 9, 2017 at 6:20 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


What is the great deal in declaring the death of person! :twocents:


Isaiah 53:5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 
53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 
53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 
53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken
53:9  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 
53:10  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 


Nobody else ever died for my sins. That's what makes His death the greatest event in human history. Yes, he lives and is risen! But even that could not occur without His death.

Hebrews 10:14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 

That offering would be His death - His sacrifice. By that offering He has perfected forever all who put their trust in Him. His death on the cross in our place, taking our judgment upon Himself, paying the price for us what we could never afford - this is good news. The word, "gospel" means good news.

And I thank my God who provided His Son, who willingly laid down His life so that I might find forgiveness and granted the righteousness of God, and everlasting life!


All these come to nought without His resurrection. Your points are in tune with Roman Catholics who don't want Jesus Christ to raise from the cross!So they continue to carry and worship the cross with Jesus still on it. Our belief is based on the empty tomb and cross!


I never discounted the resurrection. I do not see where you get that. I fully agree with your last statement, but I don't stop at the empty tomb. I like to include His ascension into heaven and His promised return. But I also agree with you about churches that seem to keep Christ on the cross. He is not there anymore. I guess they like the reminder of what He did for us. But then again, as in so many other things, like Santa Claus and Christmas, I can also see it as Satan using sinful religious people, through deception into thinking they are doing a good thing by making crosses with images of Christ still hanging on them, while fulfilling his purpose of continually making visual reminders of his only moment of perceived triumph (sort of like flaunting a noose before an African-American as a reminder of the days of segregation and white supremacy). So while I do revere the death of Christ because of what it means to me (He died for me), I do not keep Him on the cross.
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By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Dec 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Jeff74996 wrote:

Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

It took His death - His sacrifice - His offering - in order for us to be forever perfected. NEVER negate the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If you do not understand, there is probably a very good reason for that.

1st Corinthians 1:23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

What is Christ crucified to you?


What is the great deal in declaring the death of person! :twocents:


Isaiah 53:5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 
53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 
53:7  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 
53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken
53:9  And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 
53:10  Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 


Nobody else ever died for my sins. That's what makes His death the greatest event in human history. Yes, he lives and is risen! But even that could not occur without His death.

Hebrews 10:14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 

That offering would be His death - His sacrifice. By that offering He has perfected forever all who put their trust in Him. His death on the cross in our place, taking our judgment upon Himself, paying the price for us what we could never afford - this is good news. The word, "gospel" means good news.

And I thank my God who provided His Son, who willingly laid down His life so that I might find forgiveness and granted the righteousness of God, and everlasting life!


All these come to nought without His resurrection. Your points are in tune with Roman Catholics who don't want Jesus Christ to raise from the cross!So they continue to carry and worship the cross with Jesus still on it. Our belief is based on the empty tomb and cross!


I never discounted the resurrection. I do not see where you get that. I fully agree with your last statement, but I don't stop at the empty tomb. I like to include His ascension into heaven and His promised return. But I also agree with you about churches that seem to keep Christ on the cross. He is not there anymore. I guess they like the reminder of what He did for us. But then again, as in so many other things, like Santa Claus and Christmas, I can also see it as Satan using sinful religious people, through deception into thinking they are doing a good thing by making crosses with images of Christ still hanging on them, while fulfilling his purpose of continually making visual reminders of his only moment of perceived triumph (sort of like flaunting a noose before an African-American as a reminder of the days of segregation and white supremacy). So while I do revere the death of Christ because of what it means to me (He died for me), I do not keep Him on the cross.
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