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No. 0     Original Topic:  LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  Alter2Ego   Gender: F   Age: 40   on  Sep 24, 2017 at 8:43 PM   Viewed 1761 times     
The teaching that the wicked will literally burn for eternity in hellfire is not unique to Christendom. This belief is also found in non-Christian religions such as Islam, Buddhism, and many other non-Christian religions.

This false teaching gives the Creator a bad name, and--not surprisingly, it is not supported by any scriptures in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible.

1 Peter 2:21-22
"In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth."

QUESTION 1: If hellfire torment is reserved for the wicked, why was Jesus in hell (presumably burning)? Particularly since the Bible says Jesus was sinless.


QUESTION 2: In order for a person to experience being burned, the individual would have to be aware/conscious, that is, they would have to still be alive in some shape or form. But where does the Bible say anything about humans having an immortal soul that survives the death of the physical body?
No. 1     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 26, 2017 at 11:18 PM     
Alter2Ego wrote:
The teaching that the wicked will literally burn for eternity in hellfire is not unique to Christendom. This belief is also found in non-Christian religions such as Islam, Buddhism, and many other non-Christian religions.

This false teaching gives the Creator a bad name, and--not surprisingly, it is not supported by any scriptures in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible.

You are correct, it is not and never has been a biblical teaching. And it given God a bad name is slightly putting it. Its evil to talk about a loving God in such a horrible way.

QUESTION 1: If hellfire torment is reserved for the wicked, why was Jesus in hell (presumably burning)? Particularly since the Bible says Jesus was sinless.

It's really simple. Jesus Christ was never in a hellfire because there is no such thing as one. Sheol, the realm of the dead or the grave was translated into enlgish word hell and the lost religious people gave it a whole new insane definition lol.

QUESTION 2: In order for a person to experience being burned, the individual would have to be aware/conscious, that is, they would have to still be alive in some shape or form. But where does the Bible say anything about humans having an immortal soul that survives the death of the physical body?

At physical death, The soul is referred to all throughout the bible as sleeping the sleep of death until all those sleeping hear his voice and rise. So when people die before the end of the world, they will remain asleep or unconscious. The bible says the dead know not anything and have no thoughts.... However, there is scripture that tells us death has no victory which just means death doesn't win. We will all be resurrected to life incorruptible and forever be with the Lord.

Im impressed there is someone here now who knows hellfire teaching couldn't be more false if it tried. For the last decade now I've been the only one who knows that on this site and been trying to tell people this for nearly a decade.

by the way nice to meet you and welcome to the site.
I give you a :2thumbs: up for speaking the truth in here.
No. 2     Reply: Re: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  Alter2Ego   Gender: F   Age: 40   on  Sep 30, 2017 at 9:39 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Alter2Ego wrote:
The teaching that the wicked will literally burn for eternity in hellfire is not unique to Christendom. This belief is also found in non-Christian religions such as Islam, Buddhism, and many other non-Christian religions.

This false teaching gives the Creator a bad name, and--not surprisingly, it is not supported by any scriptures in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible.

You are correct, it is not and never has been a biblical teaching. And it given God a bad name is slightly putting it. Its evil to talk about a loving God in such a horrible way.

QUESTION 1: If hellfire torment is reserved for the wicked, why was Jesus in hell (presumably burning)? Particularly since the Bible says Jesus was sinless.

It's really simple. Jesus Christ was never in a hellfire because there is no such thing as one. Sheol, the realm of the dead or the grave was translated into enlgish word hell and the lost religious people gave it a whole new insane definition lol.

QUESTION 2: In order for a person to experience being burned, the individual would have to be aware/conscious, that is, they would have to still be alive in some shape or form. But where does the Bible say anything about humans having an immortal soul that survives the death of the physical body?

At physical death, The soul is referred to all throughout the bible as sleeping the sleep of death until all those sleeping hear his voice and rise. So when people die before the end of the world, they will remain asleep or unconscious. The bible says the dead no not anything and have no thoughts.... However, there is scripture that tells us death has no victory which just means death doesn't win. We will all be resurrected to life incorruptible and forever be with the Lord.

Im impressed there is someone here now who knows hellfire teaching couldn't be more false if it tried. For the last decade now I've been the only one who knows that on this site and been trying to tell people this for nearly a decade.

by the way nice to meet you and welcome to the site.
I give you a :2thumbs: up for speaking the truth in here.


Hello texascowgirl283:

I am glad to see that you do not accept the false teaching of literal hellfire torment. The word "hell" is translated sheol, hades, the pit, the grave in various Bibles.

Simply put, hell is nothing more than mankind's common grave.

Sadly, there are many who hold to this false teaching.

Thank you for the welcome.
No. 3     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 1, 2017 at 5:41 AM     
Yep, we are in full agreement.
No. 4     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 56   on  Oct 2, 2017 at 6:38 AM     
Alter2Ego wrote:

The teaching that the wicked will literally burn for eternity in hellfire is not unique to Christendom. This belief is also found in non-Christian religions such as Islam, Buddhism, and many other non-Christian religions.

This false teaching gives the Creator a bad name, and--not surprisingly, it is not supported by any scriptures in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible.


The teaching is Biblical, and supports the concept of justice. If there is no hell, then Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and every other torturer and murderer did what they did and got away with it. But since there is a God, and since He is Just, there is a place for punishment, and nobody gets away with A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Matthew 12:36† But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.



1 Peter 2:21-22
"In fact, to this course you were called, because even Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely. He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth."

QUESTION 1: If hellfire torment is reserved for the wicked, why was Jesus in hell (presumably burning)? Particularly since the Bible says Jesus was sinless.


There is a lot of misconception about hell. There are actually two places of fire and torment mentioned in Scripture, and hell is only one of them. The other place is called the lake of fire. People tend to lump both into one and call it hell.

Hell is found in various places throughout Scripture, and is used as the English translation for various Greek and Hebrew words. Sometimes it is used for a word or context that means nothing more than the grave. More often, however, it speaks of a place that is common to all who have departed this life. Before the cross, everyone went there when they died. This side of the cross, people outside of Christ (them that perish - 1 Cor. 1:18; 2. Cor. 2:15; 2 Thess. 2:10) still go to hell. On the other hand, those who are saved, upon departing their earthly bodies, are present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8 ).

Before the cross, hell was the place for all the dead. There was (and is) a place of torment for the wicked. A great gulf separated that part from another part of hell called Paradise, the place of the departed righteous. While hanging on the cross, Jesus told the thief beside Him that both of them would be in Paradise on that very day (Luke 23:43). There is no fire in Paradise. Jesus emptied out that part of hell, and set the captives free.

Ephesians 4:8† Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.†
4:9† (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?†
4:10† He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)†


But the question assumes that Jesus went into the fire. Scripture does not tell us that much. Yet had that been the case, He who walked on the waves, completely unaffected by the storm, who calmed the tempest with a word, who was also seen in the fiery furnace of Babylon preserving the three young men who were cast into it, all four completely unaffected by the heat, yes that very Jesus could most certainly walk through the fires of hell if He chose to do so, without even one hair singed by the fires. Remember, in Babylon when the three young men came out of the furnace, they didn't even carry the smell of the smoke. Read about it in Daniel chapter 3.

QUESTION 2: In order for a person to experience being burned, the individual would have to be aware/conscious, that is, they would have to still be alive in some shape or form. But where does the Bible say anything about humans having an immortal soul that survives the death of the physical body?


The question presupposes a state of unconsciousness upon death, a sort of "soul sleep". This is not biblical, though some have pulled some passages referring to the body being dead as "asleep" and have applied that to the soul as well. The Bible does not teach soul sleep.

Revelaton 6:9† And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:†
6:10† And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?†


These people had been slain, yet their souls are seen, and they are alive and crying out. There are other references of the departed spirits alive and conscious, and hell is real. The Bible tells me so.

No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  Alter2Ego   Gender: F   Age: 42   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 9:08 PM     
Jeff74996 wrote:

Alter2Ego wrote:

The teaching that the wicked will literally burn for eternity in hellfire is not unique to Christendom. This belief is also found in non-Christian religions such as Islam, Buddhism, and many other non-Christian religions.

This false teaching gives the Creator a bad name, and--not surprisingly, it is not supported by any scriptures in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible.


The teaching is Biblical, and supports the concept of justice. If there is no hell, then Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and every other torturer and murderer did what they did and got away with it. But since there is a God, and since He is Just, there is a place for punishment, and nobody gets away with A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.


Jeff74996:

Your "concept of justice" is to burn people for eternity for crimes committed during one's brief human lifespan--and is not supported by scripture.

None of the scriptures you quoted resemble anything having to do with literal hellfire torment.
No. 6     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 29, 2017 at 10:39 PM     
No. 7     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 5:34 AM     
Thank you Jeff ... well stated ... :2thumbs:

Since the truth was presented ... NO DISCUSSION ... is needed on my part.



No. 8     Reply: Re: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Nov 30, 2017 at 6:53 PM     
RadioPreacherMan wrote:

Thank you Jeff ... well stated ... :2thumbs:

Since the truth was presented ... NO DISCUSSION ... is needed on my part.





I know. His argument is not with us. Jesus taught more about hell than anyone in the Bible, as far as I know. His argument is with Christ.

Matthew 10:28† And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
No. 9     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Dec 1, 2017 at 8:10 AM     
Jesus never even one time spoke of hell as a place where he sets people on fire. He also never spoke of it as a forever place. All he ever taught about it is all will go there, all will be resurrected to life from it changed and all will forever be with the Lord. Christianity's teaching comes directly from ill minded men...false teachers. Hell is quiet peaceful and dark. No yelling no nothing but sleep until you are resurrected out of hell/the grave. Its the common grave and nothing else. You were taught by ravening wolfs in sheep's clothing Jeff and the time is coming when the Lord will bring you to the knowledge of the truth by purifying your heart/mind.
No. 10     Reply: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  LynnDear   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Dec 1, 2017 at 9:14 AM     
The wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord......Rms. 6:23.

sin's reward of eternal hell
has kept my wayward soul on track
more often than i remember.....

the fear of that terrible/eternal place
has kept my pants on many times
when i was burning with lust
for some man i was working with
or attended church with......
during my more hormonal (horny) youth.

the knowledge of hell
being the consequence of my willful sin
has not only been sobering
but a merciful blessing
that required me to choose repentance over indulgence.

where in this world would i be now
if i had not had this warning of sin's eternal consequences?!?!

how on earth do people keep it right
without that merciful fear of judgement?!?!
No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: LITERAL Hellfire TormentóNot A Bible Teaching   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Dec 1, 2017 at 10:43 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Jesus never even one time spoke of hell as a place where he sets people on fire. He also never spoke of it as a forever place. All he ever taught about it is all will go there, all will be resurrected to life from it changed and all will forever be with the Lord. Christianity's teaching comes directly from ill minded men...false teachers. Hell is quiet peaceful and dark. No yelling no nothing but sleep until you are resurrected out of hell/the grave. Its the common grave and nothing else. You were taught by ravening wolfs in sheep's clothing Jeff and the time is coming when the Lord will bring you to the knowledge of the truth by purifying your heart/mind.



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