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No. 0     Original Topic:  He will make a covenant...Who is He?   
By:  bodyservant56   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Sep 13, 2017 at 9:36 AM   Viewed 1208 times     
Who is he who will make a covenant in the midst of the week that Daniel writes of? Some say the antichrist, but what does scripture say? The proof is in the context as brother Simeon writes.






by Simeon Edigbe (Facebook post)

How can people lead people astray with endtime conspiracies about a coming Antichrist that will sign a peace treaty with the Jews and Arab world? The silly basis for this teaching that is now being propagated (actually recycled) is this place from Daniel.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

Firstly there's no mention of the word Antichrist. Secondly this place is quoted out of context.

Lets look at from this point.

23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:

24 “Seventy weeks[a] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,

Notice the word "Messiah the Prince"

Then further it says;

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

If follow the timing of the prophecy well you will see it confirms with the arrival of Jesus on the scene from the day he was baptised by John. He (Jesus) was the one who confirmed the covenant with his disciples which afterwards was ratified when he died on Calvary. His death brought about the end of that old covenant which signaled the end to sacrifice and offering as it was all fulfilled in Him.

It is indeed a sad reality that people would take Jesus away from the theme of Bible and insert another character to distort the agenda of God's kingdom but more sad when someone reads a post of this nature and call you heretic because it goes against majority view shared by many. Let the truth be resounded without the fear and favour of men. Let the real gospel stand up!
No. 1     Reply: Re: He will make a covenant...Who is He?   
By:  Jeff74996   Gender: M   Age: 56   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 4:25 PM     
Daniel 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 
9:26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined


John 14:30  Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 

"The prince that shall come" Daniel 9:26
"the prince of this world cometh" - John 14:30, quoting Jesus.

2 princes. One is Messiah the Prince, the other is the prince of this world. After Messiah the Prince is cut off, then the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. We already know who the prince that shall come is, because Jesus identified him.

John 12:31  Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out

That would be the devil, also known as Satan.

We already know that the people were who destroyed the city and the temple were the Roman soldiers. They would fit the description of "the people of the prince that shall come." They destroyed Jerusalem and burned the temple. We know this to be true.

Now that we have the context, supported by Scripture, both Testaments, we can now better understand the next verse.

9:27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. 

The "he" at the beginning of the verse would be the last person mentioned in the previous verse - "the prince that shall come." It is no stretch to understand the prophecy as meaning that this "prince" will make some kind of agreement with the Jewish people (for it involves sacrifice and offering - traditionally Jewish). He will originally make the covenant for seven years (our understanding of the "seven" translated as "week"), a "week" of years. We don't know the cause, but something will occur that will cause this prince to abolish the original covenant half way before the completion of the covenant promised time. I don't think God is into breaking His promises. Nor do I remember Jesus making a covenant for one week anywhere in the gospels. But this person, this prince, best fits the description of Satan incarnate, or the antichrist. I say "Satan incarnate", but I doubt Satan can do what God did in Christ Jesus. He will, however, through deceptive means, get as close to that as he is able. He is into imitating God. He wants to be like Him.