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No. 0     Original Topic:  The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM   Viewed 1879 times     
Hurricane Harvey just crushed Texas.

Hurricane Irma is headed for the US. Some think it might crush New York.

There is a 3rd hurricane forming behind Irma.

Hurricane Sandy crushed New York a few years back.

Hurricane Katrina crushed New Orleans a few years back.


When God crushed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins, he used fire (bolts?).

How does God discipline national countries nowadays?
Does he do nothing - hence leaving them to their own petards? I think one could legitimately argue that is ONE of his methods of discipline. The US and the whole world are at the edge of a financial tsunami.

How about hurricanes and earthquakes? Is God speaking to the sins of America, or do you think what we are going through is happenstance?
No. 1     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:32 PM     
Interesting. CAsandie has posted a very similar thread almost the same exact moment.
No. 2     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  jadefox   Gender: F   Age: 58   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:37 PM     
It's up in the air at the moment, literally and figuratively.

It's nearing the Caribbean. Meteorologists are unsure where it will go from there.

It could go south toward the Gulf Coast again. Or up the coast toward the Carolinas. New York would get the tail end of that should it move up north. It may burn out before reaching land.

Praying that it does.
No. 3     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:37 PM     
hurricane Katrina nearly killed my mom in ocean springs mississippi. brick Apartments near her completely gone and the house across the street from her gone. That place smelled like death everywhere. IT was a true disaster. I had to take my mother to alabama for her medicine.

As far as Irma, they cannot tell us where it will go passed 5 days. Anything beyond that should not even be mentioned by the news. The models are only accurate for 5 days so they cannot accurately tell anyone where its gonna hit since is well passed 5 days of being close to hitting land anywhere. Thats one of the things I hate about the news.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 5:49 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Interesting. CAsandie has posted a very similar thread almost the same exact moment.


Interesting indeed (just opening this thread for the first time). Not the same, but yes similar I see. Were you busy prophesying my thoughts this morning? (joking).

My response you can read in my thread, but...

I am actually quite interested in answering the atheist that might ask: "where is your God?" personally.

No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 9:40 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

Interesting. CAsandie has posted a very similar thread almost the same exact moment.


Interesting indeed (just opening this thread for the first time). Not the same, but yes similar I see. Were you busy prophesying my thoughts this morning? (joking).

My response you can read in my thread, but...

I am actually quite interested in answering the atheist that might ask: "where is your God?" personally.


Your thread, though similar, seems to address whether or not God will reign down evil. My thread asks if God will reign down judgment. That's the biggest difference I can see at the moment. Neither question is dependent on the other.

As far as prophesying your thoughts, I never go that far into the right brain :tongue:

No. 6     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 3, 2017 at 10:59 AM     
I've been following this guy's hurricane videos as he not only seems to know his stuff but he also delineates between fact and opinion.

In this update video, he tells why he thinks IRMA may be going up the US eastern seaboard, either making landfall in the Carolinas or even New York, and he talks about the possibility of the following hurricane, HOSEA, hitting the Gulf, and finally he discloses there is a THIRD hurricane forming, following HOSEA.

In this thread, there have been several responses, but none to the question asked in the OP.

Is God trying to tell the corrupt and ungodly US something?


No. 7     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 10:10 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Hurricane Harvey just crushed Texas.

Hurricane Irma is headed for the US. Some think it might crush New York.

There is a 3rd hurricane forming behind Irma.

Hurricane Sandy crushed New York a few years back.

Hurricane Katrina crushed New Orleans a few years back.


When God crushed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins, he used fire (bolts?).

How does God discipline national countries nowadays?
Does he do nothing - hence leaving them to their own petards? I think one could legitimately argue that is ONE of his methods of discipline. The US and the whole world are at the edge of a financial tsunami.

How about hurricanes and earthquakes? Is God speaking to the sins of America, or do you think what we are going through is happenstance?


Jesus paid for all sin and God is no longer angry, imho.
It seems odd to me that He struck New Orleans and missed Bourbon St for instance.
There are consequences however for sin and the earth is groaning under the weight of spreading ungodliness.
His people, called by His Name should hear Him speak in every circumstance. We will experience all that our neighbors experience but should see the opportunities within the circumstance to minister to those around us and draw others into His Kingdom. In other words we should be aware and prepared to be light in the coming darkness. We should expect His direction, provision and guidance through every step of the way. (..hint..His provision is always where he has sent us)
There will be a day of judgement but I believe God has spoken already in His Word and we are witnessing it's fulfillment.
What we each do with our time has eternal blessing and reward.
Those who have already rejected Him will not be awakened or changed by any of the coming events.

No. 8     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM     
oh yes bourbon street a bad bad place.
No. 9     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:44 AM     
Vickie wrote:



Jesus paid for all sin and God is no longer angry, imho.



I would have two suggestions for re-examining such a viewpoint, Vicki.

1. The Bible teaches that God has two natures

  • He is a God of Love

  • He is a God of Justice


In my own research and study, the Holy Spirit has been teaching me that some Christians have leaned too far in one direction, at the expense of the other. If one has leaned too far into the 'God is Love' side, that person might argue, "How can you lean too far towards a loving God?" I think that was done earlier in my thread over on the THEO forum dealing with apostasy in a closely-related discussion.

My answer, and the understanding that God has given me, is that such a question is irrelevant insofar as understanding God and His dual nature.

He is TOTALLY loving.

He is TOTALLY righteous.


If one really desires to know God's [dual]-nature, one has to come to grip with both sides of it, rather than diminishing one in favor of the other. As a good example of this, you can see how such an off-balance view that God is (only) a God of love (in practice) when you look at what the Universalists have done with their extremism of that viewpoint. They give virtually no notice that God is righteous in the working out of their theology. It is simply not important to them, and when you go to that extreme, you simply have chosen to be deliberately ignorant of righteousness, and yes, such a teaching is unbiblical.


2. God's prophets are speaking. Many Christians consider such prophecy as 100% false; others don't know what to think. Personally, I believe God is indeed using His prophets, though many prophets have confusing or contradictory messages.

Even so, most do prophesize that God is very angry with the falling away of America, and that we are (only) beginning to realize the consequences, whether they be from weather, social instability and disintegration, and/or the withdrawl of His blessings on our country.

Such a belief does not invalidate that God is totally loving, though it does call into question that God is ONLY a totally loving God, which He is NOT - for He is also a righteous God, and His dual nature cannot be subordinated in favor one side over the other.

In fact, I have encountered in my studies that His sacrifice of His Son was also a judicial act. I believe that. I suppose you could suggest that since it was, that would satisfy the righteous side of His nature, but I personally would still find that as part of an out-of-balance understanding of His full, righteous nature.


One final thing - having such a belief (if not true) is not a heretical belief, but as mentioned, an out-of-balance one. That's my opinion, of course.

Thanks for the response. It's good to discuss such things.
No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 4:24 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Vickie wrote:



Jesus paid for all sin and God is no longer angry, imho.



I would have two suggestions for re-examining such a viewpoint, Vicki.

1. The Bible teaches that God has two natures

  • He is a God of Love

  • He is a God of Justice





Yes, conversation is good and the thoughts go deeper.
I don't think I disagree with anything you've said.
We are guilty of getting off into a ditch and over correcting and finding ourselves off in the other one. God is both Love and Just.
I simply lean toward the thinking that as God set in motion things that continue to play out naturally they will continue to do so until Jesus returns.
We can effect some things individually and corporately.
I fully agree that His sacrifice of Jesus was also a judicial act. He is Holy, sin has a cost that must be paid! Only through ACCEPTING His sacrifice can payment be made for us.

When I say God is not angry I'm simply saying the New Covenant is so much better. He sees 'His people' through that precious blood Jesus shed. If we have accepted Jesus we have no need to fear the things coming on the earth.
It is trust in Christ alone which is proven by allowing His Holy Spirit to change us into His image.

I think it is possible many will come to Christ in times of these disasters but many also turn away with the first gentle breeze. If they are the result of His decision this morning or events He set into motion before the foundation of time; they are STILL of His control and serving His purposes. Those who reject Jesus have an eternity of regret.
Anyone half paying attention should see His Word playing out before us and recognize the season.


No. 11     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 6:31 PM     
Vickie wrote: It seems odd to me that He struck New Orleans and missed Bourbon St for instance.

There are consequences however for sin and the earth is groaning under the weight of spreading ungodliness.


I so agree / good point.

-------------------------------------------------

In my thread which is similar but more expansive, I wanted to offer the scripture about God allowing the sun to shine on both the good and the evil.

Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same?

While we are called to 'righteous' judgement, I fear that 'unknowingly' people are speaking for God Himself and that is dangerous territory if one is not absolutely certain (not to mention it reflects Christianity badly when what is seen by many of us as nutty youtube videos appear suggesting things unknown with the suggestion God is angry [I will add some in New Orleans were certainly His Elect as well]).

I personally while praying for discernment on all matters in life would fear ever (ignorantly) speaking for God in such matters of the world. As stated, I witness some judgements by those confessing themselves to be Christian that bring shame to Christianity.

No. 12     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  joyful   Gender: F   Age: 61   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 7:30 PM     
Good discussion, Storm, Cassandra, Vickie. I don't see God as angry either. And this puts it into perspective, Storm.

No. 13     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 7:42 PM     
joyful wrote:

Good discussion, Storm, Cassandra, Vickie. I don't see Gad as angry either. And this puts it into perspective, Storm.



Who is "Gad?" Lol.

Actually, I DO see Him as angry...very angry, but to go along with what was previously said, not necessarily angry with individual Christians.

I do see Him angry with all the corruption.

I see Him angry with abortion.

I see Him angry with the pedophilia that is still being covered up by the MSM.

And maybe most importantly, I see Him angry with the corrupt church organizations and pastors.
No. 14     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 8:20 PM     
If God is slow to anger maybe its got more to do with suffering for Christ.
No. 15     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  joyful   Gender: F   Age: 61   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:10 PM     
I guess it is Vickie I agree with. God is no longer angry. Jesus has paid the debt of sin.

No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:32 PM     
joyful wrote:

I guess it is Vickie I agree with. God is no longer angry. Jesus has paid the debt of sin.



Correct.

If we want to see if God is angry about something all we have to do is look at Jesus and how he viewed it. Since HE is the exact representation of God in the flesh actually.

One group of people who angered him to the point of violence even were the Pharisees.
No. 17     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 10:36 AM     
There are currently 3 active hurricanes in the Caribbean.

The latest models of IRMA show a westward shift - BAD, BAD news for Florida if it does so.

There's a possibility of a 4th, tropical depression 'LEE' currently forming. We could have FOUR active hurricanes at one time, though my guess is that won't happen.

A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, 8.1, has just hit Mexico. Keep in mind that on that scale, when you have a, say 3 on the scale, that is 10 TIMES THE FORCE of a 2. An 8.1 earthquake is approx. 11 TIMES THE FORCE of a 7, and a 7 is pretty bad. Information is still sketchy, but tsunami's are predicted.

Major fires are reported in Montana and California.

Now you may choose to call all of this happenstance, but I am reminded of scriptures that talk about the increase of disasters in the end times. That doesn't mean God is evil, but if you maintain a position of coincidence, that position is looking weaker and weaker.

Remember after Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Sandy brought such destruction on the US? People were beginning to wonder about God speaking something to us, though they soon went back to their daily patterns (of sin).

After Harvey, and after Irma finishes up with the US, both potentially and probably worse then Katrina and Sandy, the message will be more clear.

Will we listen?
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:


Now you may choose to call all of this happenstance, but I am reminded of scriptures that talk about the increase of disasters in the end times. That doesn't mean God is evil, but if you maintain a position of coincidence, that position is looking weaker and weaker.



?happenstance?
Has there been some miscommunication here?

I believe all weighing in contribute the events to sin in this nation!
The difference is that I for instance think it is presumptuous to try to name certain individuals or actions as the MAIN cause of any particular event. It opens the doors to distractions and arguments that go no where but keeps people focused on defending their position rather than quietly pondering the situation and possibly hearing from God. We all need individual direction at this point although corporate unity would be lovely.

Examples:
Man in Florida declares Houston disaster due to Texas voting for Trump. Fact is Houston itself supposedly voted 54% for Hillary. Now Florida gets hit; is it because this man dared state such about Texas?
People are confused ...

I say to people that sin has caused this earth to slowly and surely be destroyed. There are more important causes to consider than man's ideas to fix everything (carbon credits, lol) because man without God can fix nothing.
It is surely time to look to Jesus crucified for MY sin and that personal relationship with Him and through Him alone that will assure my future for eternity (and comfort and direction NOW)


Yes, we are ignoring out of control fires that have been burning for 2 months and many other catastrophes because if the news divided the attention among the REAL news and forgot the distracting lives of so called 'stars' it would be overwhelming enough to drive this country to it's knees in prayer perhaps?
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 2:04 PM     
Vickie wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:


Now you may choose to call all of this happenstance, but I am reminded of scriptures that talk about the increase of disasters in the end times. That doesn't mean God is evil, but if you maintain a position of coincidence, that position is looking weaker and weaker.



?happenstance?
Has there been some miscommunication here?

I believe all weighing in contribute the events to sin in this nation!


Which is why I've been harping not only on scripture that describes it, but also God's prophets that proclaim it, Vicki.

But God's Word seems to never be very popular with many, whether the written Word or the spoken Word...except, of course, for the parts that talk about love and forgiveness.

So be it.

No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 4:50 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:


Which is why I've been harping not only on scripture that describes it, but also God's prophets that proclaim it, Vicki.

But God's Word seems to never be very popular with many, whether the written Word or the spoken Word...except, of course, for the parts that talk about love and forgiveness.

So be it.



And I do admire your efforts! The info you share here is important to me and I often pass it on for others to consider.
You won't reach everyone but I imagine you reach more than you know.

No. 21     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 9:25 PM     
Vickie wrote:



And I do admire your efforts! The info you share here is important to me and I often pass it on for others to consider.
You won't reach everyone but I imagine you reach more than you know.



Good for you in maintaining an open mind; one ready to learn and discern!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Speaking to all...)

I have some further tips and such I'll be posting, plus anything that comes in on the way, like this just did...

A quote from this short video about criticisms from Christians (about prophecy)...

"We're not being gracious because in the Age of Grace there is no judgment. Well, hang on. We've been proven right (additional information here not quoted), and we're not saying that arrogantly, because if we're proven wrong, guess what happens? 'FALSE PROPHETS!' Oh, they wouldn't wait a second...to come and bash you."

"So, if you get it right, 'Oh, you're tooo judgmental and not gracious enough.' If you get it wrong, you're false prophets. So guess what? They're impossible to please. Nothing will please them. Nothing will satisfy them. But in this case, it IS real, so you know prophecy is real."

Fascinating half hour with this guy I just found. I think maybe I've heard him one other time, but not sure. Even so, he gives a whole new slant to the millennium that I've never considered before.

Steve Cioccolanti September 09 2017 - WILL HURRICANE IRMA BE THE NEXT END TIME SIGN FOR AMERICA?

No. 22     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 10:42 PM     
oh most all of them start in the atlantic. It may have brought alot of rain to to some part of louisiana, but not my part. I think irma might come for me though. She better make her north turn really soon.
No. 23     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM     
As far as Hurricane Jose, it is still early as to its path, but according to my guy (embed below), it could very well end up heading up the eastern seaboard with a landfall at or near Chesapeake Bay.

You can watch the video below about this, but for now, consider:

- Multiple hurricanes forming in a short amount of time and possibly hitting the US.

- Earthquakes (Mexico)

- Solar flares and earthquakes (see video below)

Matt 24 (which I will be speaking more of) talks of various calamities happening in the end times (end of the end times, or so I believe), with the implication that they will be increasing.

Is God speaking to us?

What is He saying?



Check out this guy's commentary above the video -

"What ISN'T going on should be the question we ask because no matter where you look records are being broken and every day has brought us things we don't often see.

Irma currently spreading T-storms and tornadoes all over Florida As Jose waits patiently for Irma to move out of the way. According to current models Irma is projected to be the reason Jose may hit the east coast. We will follow this just as we did Irma!

In space weather we have had yet ANOTHER x-class sun flare, Yes the same class that was directly responsible for the 8.1-8.2 Earthquake in Mexico. I hate to say this guys but expect more EQ activity in the next 24-36 hours"


Hurricane IRMA JOSE UPDATE! Hurricanes Earthquakes METEORS Sun freaking out

No. 24     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 11:59 AM     
What is He saying?

The wages of sin is death? or suffering for christ possibly?
No. 25     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 3:48 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:



I like this guy!
I also agree there are still Prophets speaking today. I enjoyed “The Harbinger” for example, contrasting events of today with Biblical History. (cause and effect) We are to have learned from those examples yet we see history repeat.
When put into perspective of eclipses, blood moons and feast times...YES, I can relate to that.
When discussing a specific mayor of Houston for example, she was merely a reflection of the times and not specifically a cause of specific events, imo.
I know this is splitting hairs somewhat and is the reason I sidestep many of these discussions.
Steve Cioccolanti seems to get the difference beginning before the 3 minute mark as he discusses Separation and phony Christians intensifying of wrath and critical speech. Although the days ahead are dark we should be light and offer hope.
I still don't believe God has to remain angry to allow our actions to have repercussions though. The US is not exempt. Forty days of repentance to Yom Kippur!! End of year of Jubilee!
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By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 3:52 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

In space weather we have had yet ANOTHER x-class sun flare, Yes the same class that was directly responsible for the 8.1-8.2 Earthquake in Mexico. I hate to say this guys but expect more EQ activity in the next 24-36 hours"


I was not aware sun flares caused earthquakes.
Looks like Northeast better prepare. They still have never been hit by the perfect storm.
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By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 6:06 PM     
Vickie wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

In space weather we have had yet ANOTHER x-class sun flare, Yes the same class that was directly responsible for the 8.1-8.2 Earthquake in Mexico. I hate to say this guys but expect more EQ activity in the next 24-36 hours"


I was not aware sun flares caused earthquakes.
Looks like Northeast better prepare. They still have never been hit by the perfect storm.


I have never heard of a solar flare causing earthquakes.

But the CAN cause catastrophic blackouts of the Power Grid!

And that has already happened...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1989_geomagnetic_storm

The Day the Sun Brought Darkness

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/sun_darkness.html

FEMA document admits solar flare could collapse U.S. power grid for years

http://www.naturalnews.com/048068_solar_flare_power_grid_FEMA.html
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 PM     
Vickie wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

In space weather we have had yet ANOTHER x-class sun flare, Yes the same class that was directly responsible for the 8.1-8.2 Earthquake in Mexico. I hate to say this guys but expect more EQ activity in the next 24-36 hours"


I was not aware sun flares caused earthquakes.
Looks like Northeast better prepare. They still have never been hit by the perfect storm.


Well, keep in mind that although the above quote appears to be from me, IT IS NOT! I do not know that they do, so I'm going to keep on listening to this guy (like I do with certain prophets) to make sure he's the real thing.

BF, thanks for the input and links.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 11, 2017 at 7:04 PM     
Vickie wrote:

I know this is splitting hairs somewhat and is the reason I sidestep many of these discussions.


I hope you continue to give input, whether or not you agree with me. I also hope no one feels that I am slamming them. My next post here (probably) will address a mistake of theology that I will be remarking upon, but since it is being more slowly written up in Word, it's giving me some time to refine my comments, rather than my all-too-usual bluntness.

That's a good thing!
No. 30     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 12, 2017 at 8:02 AM     
- for your consideration -

- from the Christian-based THE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE blog...

Apocalyptic September? Here Is A List Of 27 Major Disasters That Have Already Happened So Far This Month

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/apocalyptic-september-here-is-a-list-of-27-major-disasters-that-have-already-happened-so-far-this-month
No. 31     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 13, 2017 at 11:38 PM     
Ho-Ho-Ho

Here's another take on the hurricanes I just came across -

""Sept. 11 is God's retribution for our lack of morality" - Jerry Falwell, 2011
The Left screams in horror, demands apology.

"These hurricanes are nature's retribution for electing Trump" - Jennifer Lawrence, 2017
The Left celebrates."
No. 32     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 12:59 AM     
you're not very informed...i'll cut to the chase.
Ben Livingston; The Masta of Disasta has stated over
and over that any natural storm can be Ginned Up
or Deflated...many Natural storms are Ginned up to instill
fear into the public and help raise Insurance rates.

Insurance co's pay to put down large storms; thats a fact>
Texas is a weather modification state, but this storm was
Not the work of the TX Dept of Weather Modification.

This was the work of 4 US agencies that allowed these storms
to accelerate. A little Dry Ice Would have knocked this out
in a heart beat. This was all done to make the trumpy look Bad"
Do yer homework Whammy jammy! ((laughin))
No. 33     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 15, 2017 at 2:36 PM     
Two more (at least) hurricanes coming, Jose and Maria, with a possible double-hit on New York. Check it out -

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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 15, 2017 at 3:08 PM     
there is no way to know if one is gonna hit ny much less two. so no need to put fear in people yet. The futher days in advance out is less accurate info and if you go past 5 days its probably not accurate at all. Tracks change constantly and sometimes at every new update. No need to put fear in people ahead of time.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 15, 2017 at 6:21 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

there is no way to know if one is gonna hit ny much less two. so no need to put fear in people yet. The futher days in advance out is less accurate info and if you go past 5 days its probably not accurate at all. Tracks change constantly and sometimes at every new update. No need to put fear in people ahead of time.


It is not fear that is needed; it is wisdom. There is no harm and actually a lot of good to get out and get some preps ahead of time - food, water, batteries, etc. These things may not be needed, but when you don't have them...well...just look at Houston, or NY when Hurricane Sandy hit it.

Besides, who was it that kept saying, way ahead of time, that IRMA was going to hit the Gulf?

(That would be you)
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By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 6:08 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:

... to refine my comments, rather than my all-too-usual bluntness.

That's a good thing!



Amen Stormchaser ! :2thumbs:

It's an " ongoing process " for all of us.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 11:06 AM     
Here is a previous discussion from another thread that has relevance to the OP...



To suggest 'God' is punishing 'anyone' with what we call natural disasters (we exist in a fallen world and not paradise 'yet') holds the potential of 'blasphemy' and is dangerous if we worship Him in Spirit.



Some obvious questions arise from such a statement...

1. Does God not punish when He deems it necessary?

2. Does God use natural disasters to punish?

3. Does Scripture teach that God punishes with hurricanes?

4. More specifically, is Houston being punished by God?


As can be seen, each question is more specific than the last, but should ensure a good discussion of the topic.


1.Does God not punish when He deems it necessary?

This is a question with an obvious answer to any decent student of God’s Word. Yes, He punishes, though He is not primarily a God of wrath or punishment. God has a dual-nature, and that nature defines whom He is and what He does.

We have heard some say that the God of vengeance and punishment is the Old Testament God, and the New Testament God is the God of Love.

This is simply ignorance, based on weak and illiterate Bible understandings.

The O.T. God and the N.T. God is ONE AND THE SAME. If we truly wish to understand his DUAL nature, it requires us to do some work in serious research and study, rather than armchair readings of the text and forming superficial conclusions.

So when we hear some (there’s that “some” again) maintain that the God of Love supercedes the God of Justice and that we should primarily ascribe to Him only suposed N.T. assumptions that He only operates from love and forgiveness, as if His nature of Justice has somehow taken a fall off the cliff, we should be looking in askance at such immature and Biblical illiterate statements.


2. Does God use natural disasters to punish?

OF COURSE He does, and again, it doesn’t require much research in Biblical history to understand this. “Potential of blasphemy”??? Sorry, but that statement is far off the reservation when it comes to understanding the Scriptural record of how God operates.


3. Does Scripture teach that God punishes with hurricanes?

It does, several times.


For example, Isa. 41:16 -

16 you shall winnow them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the tempest shall scatter them. And you shall rejoice in the LORD; in the Holy One of Israel you shall glory.


And Jer: 23 -

19 Behold, the storm of the LORD! Wrath has gone forth, a whirling tempest; it will burst upon the head of the wicked.


The Message Bible describes Jer. 23: 19 -

19 Look out! God's hurricane will be let loose



Different translations describe hurricanes with different words, such as “tempest,” or “whirlwind.”

The Hebrew word for hurricane in Strong’s Concordance is


Strongs's 5591

Ca’ar, sah’-ar or (fem)

Carah: from 5590: a hurricane; - storm (y), tempest, whirlwind.,



The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament describes it as such:

1528 (sa’ar) storm, whirlwind, tempest

Sa’ar denotes a literal storm (Jon. 1:, 12) or describes the Lord’s wrath against the lying prophet (Jer. 23:19) or enemy nation (Amos 1:14), especially in the end times (Jer. 25:32; 30:23).

s ara. Windstorm. Used of a literal storm (Ps. 107:25ff.; 148:8) sometimes as a symbol of God’’s judgment (Isa. 29:6).

sa’ra. To storm. Taking its meaning from a physical storm, sa’ar usually appears in contexts of upheaval and distress.


So let’s not get into unwise speculations that God does not use natural disasters, and specifically hurricanes, to punish or display His wrath. It is not “blasphemty”; it is Scriptural.


4.More specifically, is Houston being punished by God?

It’s arguable, of course, but I would encourage people to use (or develop) some spiritual sensitivity and awareness about this. I mentioned elsewhere a Christian prophet had landed in Houston in 2015, and the moment his feet touched the ground the Lord gave him a vision that Houston would be flooded at some point.

I also mentioned a reason why God would specifically take issue with the sins of Houston -

"The answer might be that the previous mayor of Houston was a homosexual, and was very active in ungodly actions. I'm not only addressing personal immorality, but she sought to tear down God's righteousness in that city by the passing of several ungodly laws and attacking God's will for man."

Surely most of us know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. God DID judge those cities. God DID render a disaster upon them.

He is not a tame God, willing to give in to tender, Christian sensibilities about the damage and destruction of His judgments just because they have put Him upon a limited cloak of love that fits into their own sensibilities, though He IS a loving God who responds to prayer.

Back to Houston and it’s leaders - it can be seen in Scripture that God takes cognizance of man’s leaders and their actions. Should an area (or city’s) population be responsible for its leaders’ actions?

Yes. It’s called using the power of the vote in the United States, and generally speaking, people vote for leaders who reflect their hearts. The larger a city is (and Houston is 4th largest in the US), the more it tends to be liberal and ungodly, and follows acts of wickedness.

I was going to identify the prophet who had the vision of Houston’s flood, but I think I’m going to wait and mention him in a separate post or thread about prophets.

Suffice to say, he was accurate. Elsewhere, there was a criticism brought up that he essentially wasn’t reliable - that since he didn’t give a date, he did what anyone could do, which is predict a disaster for anywhere, as all places have disasters sometime in their histories.

That comment astonished me, as this prophet named the place and the specific disaster, and it happened in a reasonable amount of time (2 yrs. later, rather than a 100 yrs. or a thousand years). It calls to memory how doubting Thomas insisted upon seeing the actual nail holes in Jesus’s flesh before he would believe.

And a comment about specific timing - God HIMSELF tends to not give that. Look at Matt. 24. Jesus identifies what is happening TODAY…

5 For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray. 
6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 
7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
 

So He talked of disasters. Yet He did not give SPECIFIC times...just the opposite.

And later, in the VERY SAME statement, He tells us no man knows the day or hour of His return…

36 But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,nor the Son,but the Father only. 

Seems like God has reasons for not giving exact times, but we men insist we know better when it comes to determining his prophets.

He gave us enough in Scripture, and that prophet gave us enough for ears that would listen.

Are we listening?
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 17, 2017 at 11:01 PM     
Let's add one more thing to the previous post, and then I'll let it go unless someone wants to go further.

There seems to be a tendency for Christians to think that since a population area has a lot of people, and with that a certain amount of Christians residing there also, that God will not act; will not judge; will not speak (as through a hurricane); will not punish, etc.

I think we all know and believe that God CAN do this - we just don't see it likely that God will remove all the Christians first, as many think He should.

First of all, HE HAS DONE SO! Remember Lot and his family?

But let's cover the point that God probably won't be working in that manner. Is that the case? If you say "yes," then I probably would agree.

But there is a misinterpretation involved with such a position, I believe. I always enounter Christians (and sadly, not very biblical literate ones) who respond back to me that God will not judge the world...or populations...as long as Christians are there. These are usually the 'rapture' Christians as well.

Yet Scripture teaches that God's sunlight will fall on the just and unjust; that God's rain will do the same.

Scripture talks about the man who builds on sand, and the man who builds on solid rock. The man who builds on solid rock will endure. The other will be washed away. I think that if you have done your due diligence to God, which includes listening to the Spirit and being obedient, scripture says you're covered. What it DOESN'T say is that you have a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.

So, get an umbrella (or a boat), build on solid and high ground, trust in the Lord and be obedient unto His Word, and live your life without fear, even in the face of an oncoming disaster. God may tell you to evacuate like Lot, or expatriate, or stay-in-place. If your life is right with Him, you will be fine.

But you've got to listen to Him.

Are you listening?
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By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 12:14 AM     
if I Did Not know the weather was manipulated;
I would agree with you...quoting many scriptures
out of Numbers to prove your point.

On the other hand all it takes is a small asteroid/emp to
knock out the grid. Than all the new age/testament
hippy charismatic cruzamatic's would Finally Have to deal with
old testament living.

Anyone think the Lazy Cruzamatics Could survive?
Who would be their Moses? and who would put up with that
Crap? Osteen?Rick Warren;Copeland? think Benny Hinn could
rally the troops in his bedroom slippers?
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 2:05 AM     
crayons wrote:

if I Did Not know the weather was manipulated;
I would agree with you...quoting many scriptures
out of Numbers to prove your point.

On the other hand all it takes is a small asteroid/emp to
knock out the grid. Than all the new age/testament
hippy charismatic cruzamatic's would Finally Have to deal with
old testament living.

Anyone think the Lazy Cruzamatics Could survive?
Who would be their Moses? and who would put up with that
Crap? Osteen?Rick Warren;Copeland? think Benny Hinn could
rally the troops in his bedroom slippers?


Alright crayons, though I usually end up ignoring your apparent diaper-rash inspired comments, since you appear to be at least partially serious on this one, I'll respond.

TCG is big on manipulated weather. You also, so it seams.

Yes, we know about HAARP and chem-trails and all the other attempts by man to manipulate weather. Recently N. Korea set off an underground nuclear bomb, which in turn set off an earthquake, so right there is proof that man can influence disasters.

But the power of some things, such as hurricanes, greatly dwarfs what man can do, so much that there is almost no comparison.

Even so, man will always attempt to mimic the power of God, and there are Biblical prophecies that the anti-christ will attempt to lead men astray by using apparent high-tech 'miracles.'

God, however, can speak for Himself, and the power of the hurricane cannot be equaled by man. Even an earthquake set off by man is just a trigger waiting for a finger. The finger of man may influence it, but it was already there, with its plate-friction potential by God, to be moved at the proper time. God decides that - even the N. Korea earthquake doesn't happen without the permission of God, nuclear bomb explosion or not.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 2:16 AM     
Somewhere I read or watched a video about how much more powerful a hurricane is than what man can come up with. Haven't re-found that, but this short, 16 sec. video is symbolic of the difference between man-power and God-power.

Here you see a man fighting against the hurricane winds...and losing. From what I can see, he was probably crushed and lost his life, but the point here is that you really don't want to mess with God or God (nature) forces.

HURRICANE IRMA VS MAN POWER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUjAhEDy_2c

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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM     
So the idea of the building a house on sand vs. building a house on rock entails understanding that Christians ARE NOT specially set apart for special protection from temporal life forces (though we are set apart for other purposes not discussed here). The sooner that many Christians wake up from their false (and superficial) ideas of special physical protection as a class, the better their lives will become as they mature in understanding God.

That doesn't mean God will not act in an individual believer's life for specific protection, especially if asked for in prayer, but that is not what we are discussing here.

One more thing the Lord showed me through my research a week or so ago...

You might ask, "What sort of bumpkin would build his house on sand?" and that would be a good question.

Apparently people would build their houses on a hard dirt sort of 'sand.' That would be fine if the weather was always sunny and clear, but when hard weather might finally show up, the hard dirt would become soft as sand, and the houses would come down as the foundation would become mud - weak - and not sustainable for the house to remain viable.

This brings in some thoughts.

One is the idea here in the US that if you have insurance, you can rebuild in total freedom in areas that are subject to disaster-type weather, even if only happening once a decade, say. Florida obviously comes to mind, and since Harvey especially, and Houston, the coast of Texas. Houston apparently is close to being right at sea-level, and we recall that New Orleans is below sea-level.

I'm guessing that insurance policies will be undergoing a pretty big review, and not offered any more for some of these areas. Government largess should be reviewed also, though I'm not sure Trump will have this done.

The point being, if someone wishes to rebuild their destroyed homes in the same area, that is their choice, but taxpayers and insurance companies should not necessarily be expected to fund such foolishness given the repeated acts of nature that end up with the almost constant destruction of property.


The other point is more symbolic - when we build our spiritual lives (house) on outward things (sand), rather than inward holiness and consecration (solid rock), sooner or later the floods will come and destroy our lives, for we depended upon the flesh rather than God. We thought we were fine with our outward acts of religion (hard dirt) but once the chaff was taken away, we were left with emptiness.


Getting back to the OP, God does, of course, use hurricanes and other disasters to wake us up, shake us up, and more. If we are wise, we will listen to what His Holy Spirit is saying. If we are foolish, we will not listen, deny God's power by arguments about how man is causing disasters or that God is NOT speaking through disaster and/or prophecy, and fight our fears with false dogma about how God will always protect us from disasters, not realizing our own 'houses', perhaps, are build on sand.
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 11:38 AM     
Man is making and directing hurricanes. NOAA has admitted to weather manipulation anyway. So there is no need for guessing. The weather is a weapon. it may have started for good when they first began doing it but that is not so today. And God letting man do it is proof alone that man can do it and has God's permission.

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By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 12:00 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Vickie wrote:

I know this is splitting hairs somewhat and is the reason I sidestep many of these discussions.


I hope you continue to give input, whether or not you agree with me. I also hope no one feels that I am slamming them. My next post here (probably) will address a mistake of theology that I will be remarking upon, but since it is being more slowly written up in Word, it's giving me some time to refine my comments, rather than my all-too-usual bluntness.

That's a good thing!


OH, I have opinions on most everything and offer them freely, lol. I simply don't invest too much expectation in getting to the 'hair splitting' differences. Weather God is daily judging and interacting with nations OR laws of the Spirit, like laws of nature, continue as have been established... He is still in control and sin has consequences.
I've never felt 'slammed' for voicing my opinion.
I DO believe in modern day prophets. I believe God speaks individually to all His people willing to listen and I believe He will direct our steps to that place of our provision.
I'm convinced He used a dream along with economics education to move me completely out of Texas decades ago.

Stormchaser wrote:
There seems to be a tendency for Christians to think that since a population area has a lot of people, and with that a certain amount of Christians residing there also, that God will not act; will not judge; will not speak (as through a hurricane); will not punish, etc. 

I think we all know and believe that God CAN do this - we just don't see it likely that God will remove all the Christians first, as many think He should. 

I do not believe being a Christian exempts anyone from the events of this world. Only that He is ever present with us THROUGH the persecution He promised His faithful. Martyrs have eternal reward.
I've not heard of pre trib Rapture believers thinking they will not suffer anything because of their faith. They probably exist...

Many is this country are complacent having not experienced dreadful things common to most of the world.
From experience many of those I've encountered over the years who were not concerned about future events have already passed. Perhaps He knew they would not live through the coming turmoil so did not speak to their hearts about it?
Some have all they can manage with 'today'.
Stormchaser wrote:
I'm guessing that insurance policies will be undergoing a pretty big review, and not offered any more for some of these areas. Government largess should be reviewed also, though I'm not sure Trump will have this done. 

The point being, if someone wishes to rebuild their destroyed homes in the same area, that is their choice, but taxpayers and insurance companies should not necessarily be expected to fund such foolishness given the repeated acts of nature that end up with the almost constant destruction of property. 

Recent events are unprecedented!
I'm curious now if even MY home would withstand 50 inches rain in such a short time. I recently experienced 6 inches in a few hours and things got interesting...
Those I know in Texas who were flooded were no where near Houston, the coast, or flood plains. Godly people who can expect NO help from their insurance.
As for re-insurance companies I'm sure their investors will rethink the decision and rates will go up.
Stormchaser wrote:
Getting back to the OP, God does, of course, use hurricanes and other disasters to wake us up, shake us up, and more. If we are wise, we will listen to what His Holy Spirit is saying. If we are foolish, we will not listen, deny God's power by arguments about how man is causing disasters or that God is NOT speaking through disaster and/or prophecy, and fight our fears with false dogma about how God will always protect us from disasters, not realizing our own 'houses', perhaps, are build on sand. 

That is just it, the unsaved are being convinced 'global warming' is the problem and 'government intervention' is the cure.
but... His people called by His Name...
we should recognize the signs of the times and always be prepared. Not a selfish preparation but that which allows us to accomplish whatever His plan dictates for the coming days.

Sorry for misquoting you in an earlier post. I'm only on line at work and when I need to 'move on' I do so quickly.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 20, 2017 at 8:43 AM     
Following up upon a previous 'monster' (8.1-8.4) earthquake that hit Mexico 11 days ago, a 7.1 earthquake hit Mexico again yesterday, with the epicenter some 70 miles from Mexico City but nevertheless bringing down buildings in the Capital also.

Over 200 died, including 24 school children, as of the latest estimates.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/least-42-dead-7-1-magnitude-earthquake-strikes-205706138--abc-news-topstories.html


Here's the thing - we might want to ask if God is also speaking/warning Mexico as well as the U.S. We can probably ask that of the whole Western world as well, but let's focus on Mexico for the moment.

Frankly, I'm not really up on the exact moral condition of Mexico, so you might want to ask me, why the focus according to the OP?

Just this -

1. Just as the U.S. is facing a number of hurricane threats and touchdowns, Mexico is facing the same from earthquakes, with two major ones in a 2 week period.

2. This quake hit Mexico City EXACTLY 32 years later of the 1985 Mexico City earthquake, which killed thousands. And I do mean the exact same date, Sept. 19. That should tell you something, though I doubt that many will give it heed.

3. There have been some prophecies about Mexico undergoing some major judgment from God. I haven't heard any recently, but I have heard some in the past, to the point that although Mexico has been touted by some of the expat magazines and such as a good re-location possibility, I, unlike many people. do listen to prophecies and I have long decided that Mexico is a poor choice for expatriation.

4. And we know, WE KNOW, from scripture that disasters and such will INCREASE in the last of the Last Days. Multiple earthquakes in Mexico? Multiple hurricanes hitting the US? So this is not prophecies from present-day prophets - it is GOD'S WORD prophesying, JESUS prophesying

5. And getting beyond Mexico itself, God can and does speak to the whole world. Are the current disasters of Mexico and the U.S. a message to the whole world of His unhappiness of the sin and corruption, and/or of the closeness of the return of Jesus Christ?

Are we listening? Do we believe God's Word?

Now, addressing the exact same date of the '85 Mexico City earthquake, one could merely shrug it off (though I wonder if M-CITY residents are) as coincidence, as secular man often does, but given that date plus the fact that 2 major earthquakes have just hit Mexico in a short period of time, I do believe the spiritually sensitive should be seriously considering the hand of God in these disasters.

Most won't, of course, for it's too easy to shrug it off, for they are unwilling to listen.

Are you listening?


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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 20, 2017 at 9:11 AM     
Not to belabor the point (of my last posting), but Hurricane Maria just struck Puerto Rico, a CAT 4 hurricane, and the worst to hit PR since 1932.

So it's NOT just another hurricane. These disasters are NOT just something to be cast off, or at least I am not doing so.
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 20, 2017 at 9:29 AM     
well I dont know thats its punishment from God since they are man made and man is evil. However, I do know God could stop them and doesn't. So no matter how you look at it God is involved.
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By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Sep 21, 2017 at 12:26 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Fascinating half hour with this guy I just found. I think maybe I've heard him one other time, but not sure. Even so, he gives a whole new slant to the millennium that I've never considered before.

Steve Cioccolanti September 09 2017 - WILL HURRICANE IRMA BE THE NEXT END TIME SIGN FOR AMERICA?

I found him very interesting as well. Not much is taught on the millennium.



Any thoughts on this guy? The fact the media is misquoting him makes him somewhat interesting to me. He seems to think the 7 year trib begins 9/23/17. He's sold some books but no one knows who he is? ...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-man-whose-biblical-doomsday-claim-has-some-nervously-eyeing-sept-23/ar-AAshl6v?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 21, 2017 at 5:38 PM     
Vickie wrote:




Any thoughts on this guy?



Never heard of him, but for the people whom are making predictions about Sept. 23, I don't really pay them much heed.
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 21, 2017 at 6:44 PM     
I dont concern myself with sept 23 because the sun at her head happens every yr during the month of sept/oct and the moon at her feet happens two days of every month. It is not uncommon at all. So fear not.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 21, 2017 at 10:20 PM     
There is actually something to a Sept. date, based on the Jewish month of Ellul. Jonathan Cahn has spoken of it, though he has stressed that it doesn't have to be this Sept./Oct....just some Sept./Oct.

There may be something to that, though I'd like to find that talk and review it again before commenting very strongly about it, one way or the other.
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 21, 2017 at 10:41 PM     
yes, I would agree...a sign for a future event. I dont know why they claim the end is this yr. It's kinda silly really. I don't think the end is coming before our next total solar exclipse in 2024. So I feel confident that the world wont end at least before that but then I also don't believe it will end there either.

Someone asked a question that I thought was really cool. They asked if Jesus doesn't know the day or hr of his coming and only God knows, how come satan knows that he has a short time. So I gave my answer..... because satan is man and man knows his time is limited on earth but we do not know the exact day or hr of our death. we are like a vapor thats only here little while then vanishes away. Knowning we have short time and knowing the exact day and hr is two different things. Therefore satan does not know the day or hr. He only knows his time is limited.
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By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 22, 2017 at 2:00 AM     
If rocket man ever chooses to attack the USA, South Korea, or Japan you can bet your paycheck life will be over for him and North Korea.
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 22, 2017 at 5:44 AM     
That's not gonna happen. All talk no action like two little kids arguing. I don't even keep up with that foolishness anymore.
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By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 22, 2017 at 9:00 AM     
There are two problems with your statement.



texascowgirl283 wrote:

yes, I would agree...a sign for a future event.


I didn't say that, though it is likely true. I said (or implied) that it could be this Sept./Oct., just not necessarily so.




satan is man




This is plainly a false Biblical teaching. Satan is a spirit, an evil one at that. He has no flesh. He has no human life on Earth. He has no physical death. He doesn't breath. He has no human heart.

Your statement is silliness and has absolutely no Biblical backing.
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 22, 2017 at 10:38 AM     
Satan is being reprimanded and is outright told he is man so for me this is not up for discussion. Nothing literlly fell from heaven where God resides. But this man did fall from a man made high place of authority he made for himself by playing God and claiming to have power and he had lots of followers. But one day he was brought low and was put to shame by the real God while his followers watched.
No. 57     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 23, 2017 at 11:38 PM     
This video just came up on my radar. I'm still listening to it, so I'll only comment briefly until I finish it, but it seems to have quite a bit of direct bearing on the OP, and may very well have answers for the doubting Thomases'...


What is God Saying About the Storms?

No. 58     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Sep 23, 2017 at 11:52 PM     
Dont listen to much rock & roll music...

But there was a song "1980's" with lyrics saying
Quote " there's a little black spot on the Sun Today:
same old shyyt as yesterday"

who was that? Sting? am i correct?
No. 59     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 24, 2017 at 8:30 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:


What is God Saying About the Storms?



This is excellent. In fact, it is so good that I'm rendering it into a mp3 so I can listen to in more times while at the gym or biking the trails.
No. 60     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Sep 24, 2017 at 8:37 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

So fear not.



Agree ...
No. 61     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Sep 24, 2017 at 8:41 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:


... but for the people whom are making predictions about Sept. 23, I don't really pay them much heed.



I don't either.
No. 62     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 26, 2017 at 9:41 AM     
who was that? Sting? am i correct?

The Police.
No. 63     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 26, 2017 at 9:50 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:



That does not look like Sting or The Police to me.
No. 64     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 26, 2017 at 10:15 AM     
crayons wrote:

Dont listen to much rock & roll music...

But there was a song "1980's" with lyrics saying
Quote " there's a little black spot on the Sun Today:
same old [thing] as yesterday"

who was that? Sting? am i correct?


Yes the song is called "King of Pain" and was sang by the Police (Sting is singer of the Police).

No. 65     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 26, 2017 at 11:20 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:



That does not look like Sting or The Police to me.


Exactly, though the message might "sting" those who do not believe God still speaks through weather.
No. 66     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 26, 2017 at 2:15 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:



That does not look like Sting or The Police to me.


Exactly, though the message might "sting" those who do not believe God still speaks through weather.


LOL. My response was actually my effort to be somewhat "sarcastic" to those that do not appropriately quote. Without some effort, you often do not really know what they are responding to and/or whom. And if you are the one they quoted and they do not properly quote using the quote function, you do not get the message alerting you that someone quoted you, thus you may not be provided a fair opportunity to respond.
No. 67     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Sep 28, 2017 at 10:35 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:

This video just came up on my radar. I'm still listening to it, so I'll only comment briefly until I finish it, but it seems to have quite a bit of direct bearing on the OP, and may very well have answers for the doubting Thomases'...


What is God Saying About the Storms?



I did enjoy listening to this guy and I agree that the praying church can create a shield of protection around their area even through the worst of storms!

We'll never know on 'this side' how many catastrophes have been averted through the prayers of the righteous.
No. 68     Reply: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Sep 28, 2017 at 11:40 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:

There is actually something to a Sept. date, based on the Jewish month of Ellul. Jonathan Cahn has spoken of it, though he has stressed that it doesn't have to be this Sept./Oct....just some Sept./Oct.

There may be something to that, though I'd like to find that talk and review it again before commenting very strongly about it, one way or the other.


Yes, I agree September/October is a time to be watchful. What year however, who knows.
Jesus fulfilled the law on the exact appointed feast days.
I'm still a bit curious about this David Meade. I have seen nothing about him declaring a date for the end but simply thinking elements are lining up to begin the 7 year tribulation.
This is a concise presentation of his thoughts and who knew in February what would unfold in the last month or two?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWiR7CwMjN0

I have not rushed out to buy his book but...interesting
No. 69     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Vickie   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  Sep 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM     
I've marked on my calendar to start a complete fast tomorrow before sunset in observance of Yom Kippur Tishrei 9. I know it only as the Day of Atonement and don't follow Jewish feast days for the most part. The National Day of Repentance began Sept 24th.

I also remember some old legends of a planet passing so close to earth that it caused havoc in centuries past but cannot recall details at this time.


No. 70     Reply: Re: Re: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 28, 2017 at 3:47 PM     
Vickie wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

This video just came up on my radar. I'm still listening to it, so I'll only comment briefly until I finish it, but it seems to have quite a bit of direct bearing on the OP, and may very well have answers for the doubting Thomases'...


What is God Saying About the Storms?



I did enjoy listening to this guy and I agree that the praying church can create a shield of protection around their area even through the worst of storms!

We'll never know on 'this side' how many catastrophes have been averted through the prayers of the righteous.


What Vicki is referring to is that God spoke to His prophets words of warning of a hurricane in a certain area (I forget at the moment which country - maybe the Philipines? - but it's on the recording) and the prophet(s) warned the churches in the area.

Most churches ignored the warning. Probably like most American churches would, not really believing God speaks from prophets or weather.

And they suffered the consequences. 2 churches DID LISTEN, however, and their churches and area escaped the consequences.

If you watch this video, you will see a sideways 'V' in a satellite shot of protection around the areas represented by these two churches. It's pretty cool.
No. 71     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  YoBro-MOTBOC   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Sep 28, 2017 at 5:40 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Hurricane Harvey just crushed Texas.

Hurricane Irma is headed for the US. Some think it might crush New York.

There is a 3rd hurricane forming behind Irma.

Hurricane Sandy crushed New York a few years back.

Hurricane Katrina crushed New Orleans a few years back.


When God crushed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins, he used fire (bolts?).

How does God discipline national countries nowadays?
Does he do nothing - hence leaving them to their own petards? I think one could legitimately argue that is ONE of his methods of discipline. The US and the whole world are at the edge of a financial tsunami.

How about hurricanes and earthquakes? Is God speaking to the sins of America, or do you think what we are going through is happenstance?


I caught this in my feed this morning and as it seems more than just likely am praying that people take refuge; not just bodily, but also spiritual refuge in the Spirit Of our Father and Lord Jesus.

Bali is already preparing for evacuations.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/26/asia/bali-volcano-mount-agung/index.html

Also all of these signs and wonders are not just for America, as all countries seem to be suffering along with us. But, the USA is the major nation of believers; so we should add our prayers for all.
No. 72     Reply: Re: The Double-Whammo! God speaking through Hurricanes?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Oct 10, 2017 at 12:44 PM     
With the posting of this post, some will undoubtedly call me a doom & gloomer. Fair enough, but it still fits in with the theme that America is going through an unusual number of calamities which might indicate that God is trying to tell us something.


Another Major Disaster Hits The U.S. – A Massive ‘Firestorm’ Is Burning Tens Of Thousands Of Acres In Northern California
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/another-major-disaster-hits-the-u-s-a-massive-firestorm-is-burning-tens-of-thousands-of-acres-in-northern-california



-from the article...

"The nation is still reeling from a series of major disasters in recent weeks, and now another one has hit us. At this moment, an enormous “firestorm” is consuming tens of thousands of acres in eight counties in northern California. Wind gusts of up to 50 mph are rapidly driving 15 large wildfires across Napa, Sonoma, Lake, Mendocino, Yuba, Nevada, Calaveras and Butte counties, and the devastation that is taking place is being described as “like Armageddon”. Ultimately, it looks like this is going to be one of the worst months for wildfires in the history of the state, and all of this comes on the heels of Hurricane Harvey, Hurricane Irma and the Las Vegas shooting. Ever since late August, it seems like all hell has broken loose in America."

and...

"I don’t know if you have noticed, but wildfires are becoming a much bigger problem than they used to be."

Doesn't Scripture warn us of increasing disasters in the end times?

one more...

"our planet is becoming increasingly unstable. And for those living in the state of California, I would be extremely concerned about all of the shaking that we have been witnessing along the North American portion of the “Ring of Fire” lately. The experts assure us that we are way overdue for “the Big One”, and when it happens it is going to be the worst disaster in the modern history of the state."

We live in exciting times. That doesn't mean it's all good, but we are moving forward to God's next major change, and He's letting us know to get our act together.