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No. 0     Original Topic:  Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 8:52 AM   Viewed 460 times     
Joel osteen has shown all his followers who the real him is. He was not flooded in houston and his church is huge and holds about 16,000 people and he would not open the doors for people flooded in houston. People are angry at him and I told them well God did say ravening wolves in sheeps clothing. Believe God he dont lie. People took pics of his church high and dry or barely wet. Im telling ya God is showing people who worship these preachers what they are really worshipping. Im sure mr osteen has lost or will lose alot of his followers and for those that dont walk away, those people have deaf ears and are not listening to God.
No. 1     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM     
I am seeing conflicting reports about it.

Here are 3 different articles and Videos on Fox News about it.

"Joel Osteen opens up Houston church for Harvey evacuees amid backlash"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/29/joel-osteen-opens-up-houston-church-for-harvey-evacuees-amid-backlash.html

"Joel Osteen addresses Harvey outcry, says Lakewood Church is 'all about helping other people'"

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/29/joel-osteen-addresses-harvey-outcry-says-lakewood-church-is-all-about-helping-other-people.html

"Joel Osteen fires back at critics in Harvey's aftermath"

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5557562685001/?#sp=show-clips

No. 2     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 9:18 AM     
"Beaumont, TX Pastor rescues 80 people"

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/video/performing-rescues-and-offering-relief
No. 3     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM     
There is tons of videos showing he did not open the church. You can listen to mr osteen talk from his own mouth. He did not open for safety reasons?? How stupid is that. His church was a safe place.

LOok what they did for obama. They lied claiming he helped those in the tx flood and showed a pic of his serving them food. That pic however was from 2 yrs ago back in 2015 when he was serving thanksgiving dinner. That makes it hard to believe osteen opened his church when tons of people say he didnt. if there is a pic of peolpe in the church, its probably like what did for obama, a pic from the past when his church was open. Its hard to believe most of whats online. I don't think there are so many angry beucase Osteen opened the church. He may have and all those tons of people could be lying. who's to really know unless you live in tx. Its just one's word against anothers word.

All those people who supported osteen and his ministry, which he was laughing about on a video, had his doors closed when those same people needed help. And on video he said I dont ask people for money, they just send it and other stuff as well and laughing.

The bible says all will be revealed and judgment must start at the house of God. God is reavealing the truth about the churches and people just need ears to hear.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 10:32 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

He did not open for safety reasons?? How stupid is that. His church was a safe place.



And WHO made YOU the arbiter of safety for a city hundreds of miles from where you live and in another state at that?

Is is amazing to find one whom is so into 'forgiveness for all' philosophies to be so judgmental when it comes to temporal things. You don't like the idea of God being judgmental, but its quite alright when YOU do it.

Well GET THIS, O judgmental one - I don't like Joel Osteen either, and I also wonder about the delay in opening up his church for refugees, BUT HE DID FINALLY DO IT. So when you say he didn't, you are only displaying your ignorance and your refusal to see the facts.

Not that we haven't already seen that in your past judmentalism of Bible facts.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 10:40 AM     
God is the judge and I know what he said in the bible about churches. Satan has his seat in the church, satan dwells in the church, ravening wolves in sheeps clothing, and judgemnt must begin at the house of God and on and on. I already stated unless we live in tx we dont know for sure who lying and who isnt in man but we must believe God. Maybe you missed that part. The one thing we do know is that God doesn't lie. And if osteen did open the church FINALLY, it was to save his reputation from all the rebuking of him for not opening the church and helping those who supported him in their time of need.
No. 6     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 11:24 AM     
Osteen did open his church to Harvey victims. The media was simply too quick in looking for a target to criticize as those of the world often do.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 2:51 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Osteen did open his church to Harvey victims. The media was simply too quick in looking for a target to criticize as those of the world often do.


:thumb_up:

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Truly though there are good and there are bad Pastors as Scriptures tell us. This is what Christ told us Whom shall Judge all. What does that have to do with an attack against Christianity?

satan is the 'accuser' -- and those who follow his ways and live a perpetual world of 'blaming' and seeking 'fault' seriously lack humbleness and humility to the point of sin.

Rarely do they even examine their own hearts (if one is accusing another...then they are failing to examine their own hearts).

I am certain God does not lie and there are good and bad leaders, there are false prophets and there are good Christian Pastors both.





No. 8     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 3:14 PM     
Regardless of the reasons Osteen may have delayed, whatever may have prompted him to change his mind matters naught. That is between him and God.

Osteen is man of God Biblically charged with great responsibility. Although his delay may have been in error, he needs to consider his decisions greatly as one being a steward of whom God has blessed with much.

Bottom line, Osteen did open the doors of the church. If doing so was for reasons of criticism or whatever, it would not be the first time God has used others to influence the decision of one of His own.
No. 9     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:23 PM     
there are false prophets and there are good Christian Pastors both.

Maybe Casandie, however a big problem is everyone who attends church think their preacher is "the good one".
No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:54 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

there are false prophets and there are good Christian Pastors both.

Maybe Casandie, however a big problem is everyone who attends church think their preacher is the good one.


Christians test and judge more than anyone I know upon this earth rather than following blindly and even then we as Christians have only "One" Shepard and that is the Lord. He for 'certain' is a Good Shepard, although Christ only accounts the Father as good. The Father is pleased with Him. (John 10:11; John 8:29).

We all answer to one and this includes even preachers as Survivor has stated. Who are we to judge one's heart that we cannot read though. To do so 'usurps' the Authority of Christ Who is Judge.

So, imo -- it is wise to avoid the known wolves while at the same time balancing and still seeking not to 'judge' others as it is 'not' our job beyond righteous discernment that the Lord Himself bestows upon us by observing our example Who is Christ, yet dared all to throw the first rock. A focus of 'blame' and 'disgust' against others and even the world will cause a 'decrease' on that which is important (Praise to God Who alone is Worthy; all else are worthy only by Him granting, His Mercy and undeserved kindness).

What I know is this: Discernment from God leads to 'good' not 'bad. If one claims they have 'good' discernment from the Lord, but their words or deeds turn to bad ... I can with good conscious suggest they must be mistaken.

1 John 4:2 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world...4You, little children, are from God and have overcome them, because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. That is why they speak from the world’s perspective, and the world listens to themThat is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception. 6We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us.7Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.


Overcoming or 'submitting' oneself to the Lord as far as judgements does not equate to blind judgement. I have walked out of Churches where God is not seen per the obvious fruit and the obvious truth from the Bible is not spoken. To be sure 'even' if I see an 'over-emphasis' on something that is not the Lord's 'emphasis' -- I will walk out (Salvation is the focus; my Church teaches this and is heavy in Missionary Service).

No. 11     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 4:57 PM     
Christians test and judge more than anyone I know upon this earth

Yes casandie, Christians do judge more than anyone i know as well however they judge everyone except their own preacher.
No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 5:12 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Christians test and judge more than anyone I know upon this earth

Yes casandie, Christians do judge more than anyone i know as well however they judge everyone except their own preacher.


The testimony and truth and instruction to Christians in the Bible is that Pastors are judged at a 'greater scrutiny' and they are by all (not only by Christians, but also non-Christians as yourself here who does not charge the wealthy land owners with guilt, but only a Christian pastor here). It is even moreso inside the Church (so you see the disputes here among Christians...many to our shame, but some when addressing 'teaching and the Gospel' are valid):

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to control his whole body.


1 Timothy 3:1 This is a trustworthy saying: If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not dependent on wine, not violent but gentle, peaceable, and free of the love of money.…


I myself admit I judge those who declare themselves teachers with a much higher scrutiny and standard.


No. 13     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 5:14 PM     
Joel Osteen is being ripped to shreds over his response to Hurricane Harvey

https://www.yahoo.com/news/joel-osteen-being-ripped-shreds-141645140.html


As I watched this latest video, another thought occurred to me. What if LAKEWOOD Church took a supporting position of being a warehouse, where people could drop off supplies (as they are doing) and then Lakewood would parcel them out to shelters where they are needed?

Some idiots would still take them to task for not taking in refugees, even though they would be fulfilling their mission by helping the refugees in the way they feel God was telling them to.
No. 14     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 5:42 PM     
In today's world there are legal liabilities if someone gets hurt on a Church's premise (hysteria can lead to some getting hurt). We live in a ridiculously litigious country and world that makes it at times difficult to extend a 'home' to another.

The worldly saying about no good deed going unpunished I am certain is one satan delights in.

All that said, no one can read the heart and understand the reasoning enough to judge another's standing with His Judge and His Creator as far as is seen here, imo.

I'm not a follower of Joel, personally for other reasons that do not include extending shelter on Church premises or not. I do not adhere to Word of Faith doctrine (although I have Christian friends that do). I do agree in areas / in areas I do not.

No. 15     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 7:49 PM     
I think the media and those that are not believers are making more of this than it really is. Those of the world like to see a follower of Christ chastised.
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 1:36 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I think the media and those that are not believers are making more of this than it really is. Those of the world like to see a follower of Christ chastised.


:exactly:

It' illogical really though.

The world is lost and due to one being Christian...we are held at a higher standard of compassion, 'yet' -- the world expects and obtains compassion and hand outs from those they ridicule.

Being a Christian is not for the weak.





No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  joyful   Gender: F   Age: 61   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

I think the media and those that are not believers are making more of this than it really is. Those of the world like to see a follower of Christ chastised.


:exactly:

It' illogical really though.

The world is lost and due to one being Christian...we are held at a higher standard of compassion, 'yet' -- the world expects and obtains compassion and hand outs from those they ridicule.

Being a Christian is not for the weak.








And TG is just spouting what THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA wants everyone to believe. She singlehandedly makes MC a "not so fun" place to be.

No. 18     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 6:41 PM     
joyful shut up. You got to be the most hateful person I know on this site. your username does not fit you at all.
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 9:55 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

joyful shut up. You got to be the most hateful person I know on this site. your username does not fit you at all.


Absolutely false.

She is nothing of the kind.

And telling someone here on the forums to, "shutup" is against the rules...
No. 20     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 10:42 PM     
Joel Osteen tells Hurricane Harvey victims to not have 'poor old me mentality'

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/05/joel-osteen-tells-hurricane-harvey-victims-to-not-have-poor-old-me-mentality.html
No. 21     Reply: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  joyful   Gender: F   Age: 61   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:00 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

joyful shut up. You got to be the most hateful person I know on this site. your username does not fit you at all.


And that is how she ALWAYS is and treats anyone who doesn't handle her with kid gloves. She has got her nerve dissing Pastor Osteen. At least he
is doing something with his life...She is not only judgemental. She appears to be FILLED WITH ENVY. :rolleyes:
No. 22     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:00 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

joyful shut up. You got to be the most hateful person I know on this site. your username does not fit you at all.


Absolutely false.

She is nothing of the kind.

Not to you but she is satan in the flesh when it comes to me. But I don't care :smile:
No. 23     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:27 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

joyful shut up. You got to be the most hateful person I know on this site. your username does not fit you at all.


Absolutely false.

She is nothing of the kind.

Not to you but she is satan in the flesh when it comes to me. But I don't care :smile:


Oh please she is nothing of the kind.

I have seen her posts for years and she is one of the kindest posters here.
No. 24     Reply: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 11:30 PM     
bulldog, we are not talking aobut how she treats others. We are talking about how she bad she treats me and her words about me shows what she thinks of God as well.

Oh and how she treats me is not worth arguing with you over esp when your defending the guilty. So how about we end it here and let God do the judging of her. Can you handle it?
No. 25     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Preachers showing their true colors   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 6, 2017 at 9:31 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote: And telling someone here on the forums to, "shutup" is against the rules...



I'm not sure if telling one to shut up is against the rules, but it is incredibly immature and well as the continual false accusations and name calling.

(((Joyful))) (sending you love)!