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No. 0     Original Topic:  All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 4, 2017 at 7:18 PM   Viewed 2200 times     
They make these videos and in all i have watched about the eclipse and whats gonna happen according to them by how they read the bible, they never seem to forget to ask the people watching to donate...send them money, you can send check or money order.. lol usually at the end of video and ya know they dont want you to forget to send money to their ministry so sometimes the ask for it both at the beginning and end of the video. I feel like they are using the eclipse to scare people so people will send them money thinking God will save them or something. It really irritates me. Maybe God wouldn't be so angry if we did the switcharoo and let the minister send money via check or money order to the poor.
No. 1     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 4, 2017 at 8:08 PM     
You know something if the Lord is being used by money changers -- it makes me angry too (on this we agree, TCG).

Most Chistians Churches do use Church funds to care for the needy in the Church (as well as special collections made for those in need). A lot of Pastors work a full time job in addition to Pastoral duties (not all, but many).

TCG, I am not overly happy with a lot of the Churches, but to sit in judgement all day and all night is 'not' my job and I would worry if I were incorrect that the same measure of judgement would be against me (as scriptures state).

Judging to any 'great' measure is on a very limited basis if one is to remain in the Lord's grace, have joy prescribed to us in scripture and focus on 'ourselves' in which to do that which is more pleasing in the good book (for example practicing true religion ourselves).





No. 2     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 4, 2017 at 10:04 PM     
Ya Im not their judge but God is and he is aobut to send havoc upon the usa and when he does these people they are asking for donations from are gonna need their money just in case this eclipse brings usa alot of destruction assuming they survive it. Its just not a good time for ministers to have their hand out saying give me, give me, give me your money.
No. 3     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 5, 2017 at 11:04 AM     
Texascowgirl wrote: Ya Im not their judge but God is and he is aobut to send havoc


You seem genuinely concerned about the eclipse.

If truly looking at the signs, then, I think one could arrive at the return of Christ...

:cloud9:

(your switcharoo btw did make me laugh and I agree that those using God for personal gain will suffer ... but I thought you didn't believe in a loving God who punishes (at least to the point of destruction, so punishment would be good then). If so, then if it is your belief the eclipse will bring forth any ending -- it would be a time to rejoice)!

Here is a catalog of all the eclipses from Saros 145 (the last being in the year 3009). https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEsaros/SEsaros145.html

mod typo
No. 4     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 5, 2017 at 1:44 PM     
This eclipse im certain is a sign for bad things ahead. I do believe it but I do not think its the end of the world as all those preacers are teaching online everywhere. I just think severe abnormal weather problems are headed our way like we have never seen before.

casandie I believe in God sending troubles our way while we are alive on this earth. We have to suffer greatly. Whne i speak of God not torturing man im talking about in the afterlife, not this life. You keep confusing the two. ya know that christians talk about hellfire in the afterlife not this life and I know thats not true.
No. 5     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 5, 2017 at 5:45 PM     
TCG -- I've never thought hell or fire is literal as depicted in Scripture. I believe it's an emotional fire/torment when facing one's sins -- before final destruction/the 2nd death for those judged.

So, yes it confuses me when you speak of your beliefs of Christianity. More often than not -- it's not actual Christian beliefs that I'm personally familiar with.

God Bless.

No. 6     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 6, 2017 at 1:11 AM     
Casandie you know most christians tell people they will go to a hellfire of forever torture after they physically die if they dont do this, that, and something else while alive in this life in the physical body and that time is running out. You are a beleive in that yourself.

There is nothing said to confuse you. Life before physical death and life after physical death. The christian hellfire teaching is after death and you well know that. So anytime I speak about the hellfire teachings its alwasy what happens to man...after physical death not before.

So dont play confused as to which life i speak of becuase you do know.

I think you play confused just to confuse others for whatever your reason.
No. 7     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 6, 2017 at 10:55 AM     
Most Christian Churches focus on the Commandment of love -- not hellfire as you do when speaking of Christianity, TCG (and not collections either as you found in youtube videos).

As far as confusion, your religion doesn't line up with scripture. You say God punishes people in this life, but not the hereafter. What for then? Your religion has all of us (rather than few) being made incorruptible in the end. There would be no expectations of us in this lifetime then. Yet, we are instructed to follow the Lord throughout scripture. If you do not find this confusing then you fail to see what Christians are teaching when they speak of death (which is not the Christian focus, but rather 'life' is) and more than this: His Grace perfecting us as well as being in the Lord's Rest (not our own).

As far as youtube people...are they ministers? Who knows. I don't engage in watching youtube to learn, except for product reviews (youtube is entertainment).

Most Churches as I say that I've attended teach 'love' as it is our One Commandment. I've gone for months to my Church and not a dime has been asked for, except a special collection for a young couple (members) whose baby was born with a heart problem (to be given as the Lord might lead).

As far as those who might use God to obtain money, but have no heart toward the Lord -- as I have stated, this might be the one area we agree upon (except you have stated we both agree that humans see partial today).

Have a great week, TCG (ending this discussion here since I feel your last post was more of an accusatory nature rather than the discussion held)...so maybe another member might care to pick up this discussion.

No. 8     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 6, 2017 at 11:43 AM     
What for then?

Thats when our change comes casandie. Second death judgment is a good thing not a bad. It is not a punishment like what happens to man while in the body.

And i speak of hellfire beucase it is the number one top notch well known false teaching in christianity. Everyone in the world knows that even if you deny it.

Casandie, Do you remmber your female friend that passed away on here, the one that loved horses. Well someone in the site went to the prayer forum and was worried about what God was doing to their deceast family member due to christianity false teaching about people not being saved and tortured by God. So I felt really bad for his worrying over such foolishness when he was already hurting over his loss of a family member. So I said he/she is in good hands with God. God loves him or her and would never hurt them in the after life. Oh my God that horse loving female freind of yours went absoultely insane I guess becuase she wanted him to continue to suffer and i was trying to make him feel better teaching God's love. She went and made a thread about me so evil and full of anger it was unbelievable. She even made a threat something like if she could get her hands on me.... I bet she dont feel that way today and would apologize to me if she could beucase after her physical death, God has shown her truth about him. Many christians do not want God's love taught but rather hate and torture of man taught. Now i know she had a brain tumor or something which took her life but some members here followed her evil. There was only one person off the whole site that knew she was wrong and my intentions were good. I dont think at the time or atleast i didnt know she had a brain illness.
No. 9     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 7, 2017 at 10:59 AM     
TCG -- According to Scriptural reading, the second death is a death of 'no' return and this is where you and I have quarreled the most in the past [to be sure leading to hard feelings which is not something I desire == so no need to repeat].

Christians believe that some will face judgement and some will not (their names are written in the book of life)...this from scripture again.

As far as your disagreement with another Christian here (who you identify as the horse lover), I wasn't privy to whatever quarrel is discussed here, so I can't comment on it. I can say that I loved her, but that says little, since I also love my enemies.

What I know for certain and not in part today, TCG is this: I only know that God is NOT petty and that the Christian Churches I have attended teach love foremost over all things.

God Bless (allowing someone else to jump in if they have anything to add here).

No. 10     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 7, 2017 at 12:47 PM     
you say the churches teach love but ya know what casandie hellfire of torture which is the main teaching in christianity does not equal love of any kind. Not Godly love and not human love. There is no love at all in such a teaching.
No. 11     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 7, 2017 at 1:09 PM     
There is no 'main' teaching of hellfire that I am aware of in Christianity. It is equivalent to that taught in scripture...

Have you ever attended a Christian Church? If not, it might surprise you if you were to experiment and do so.

You missed the point of my question about learning (before my last post). Why are we taught "today" if it were as you suggest 'for nothing,' since all are saved and 'all' will be made incorruptible anyway.

It's not a question to you that I require an answer for though. It is a question to ask yourself.

It's a blessed day today / hope you enjoy!



No. 12     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 7, 2017 at 4:02 PM     
what is it that you teach happens to a man that isn't saved [although there are none]....Hellfire perhaps? You know people who deny their own belief means they know in their heart that its not true.
No. 13     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 7, 2017 at 9:12 PM     
How can one 'deny' their own beliefs?!!! (One either believes or does not).

I have already explained my beliefs (non-literal fire/destruction [2nd death of which there is no return]). You can read it above as well.

The 'main' message is "LOVE" in all the Churches I've ever attended. Again, maybe if you attended a local Church, your perception might change in finding what I say to be true.

God Bless (repeating myself so not holding a discussion here and leaving for someone else if they care to discuss).





No. 14     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 7, 2017 at 9:29 PM     
No return of what? and you believe second death to be what?
No. 15     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 8, 2017 at 12:15 AM     
From post 5 above:

TCG -- I've never thought hell or fire is literal as depicted in Scripture. I believe it's an emotional fire/torment when facing one's sins -- before final destruction/the 2nd death for those judged.


A death of no return is final. We have one life (for some death will not be seen as scriptures say and you ask how, since you claim 'all' will die (you have stated this several times in forums)? They have died to their flesh already and are born again in His Spirit). Christ said if you love me, follow my Commandment (His Spirit refines us for His purposes and that is so we might live and live a life abundantly today and not see death tomorrow)... This is 'Grace' fulfilled as it was for Enoch and Elijah in scripture, but now that door although narrow and long is open to all 'who' lives a life obedient to God which equals "REAL" love and sacrifice (fully surrender...emptying of one's mind, soul and heart and giving it fully to the Lord to take over).

TCG -- it is the Christian message (good news) that one does not have to see death ... not threats of a fiery hell (what is on the news or online is not always accurate).

John 8:51 51Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see” death.

No one here can account for all the 'wrong' sects that claim Christianity, except for that we do not have to (we follow Christ in Scripture and in Spirit and in truth ... NOT man). Many Christian Churches do so as well. I again encourage you to seek one out, so that you might learn the truth about Christianity, because you seem to not understand true Christianity's message.

This is my last post here for reasons already stated. I hope this post might bless you though in some way (please think about what Christ said and how those around him suggested Christ the Lord, a liar [suggesting our Lord to have a demon...utter nonsense]). I apologize as well if I fail you in anyway having much on my mind and hope another might provide further teachings here (or elsewhere) of what Christianity is and is not here.

Christianity's teaching and hope is 'life' (and never seeing death/not in anyway fear of a fiery hell, but love 'beyond' merely stating words, but emptying one's soul to the Lord as His vessel and for His glory [not for salvation, but out of 'love' as He taught and has given to us and Commanded us -- our 'one' Commandment]). This is what Christian's teach.

No. 16     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 8, 2017 at 7:01 AM     
a fiery hell has alwasy been the "christianity" belief. I have been threatened with it for yrs from christians, not recently. I was in baton rouge and saw a van pained as fire with souls inside the fire with hands up and screaming. That was an evil, cold blooded lie about God.

The problem with "christianity" as well is that it teaches you have to do what is impossible for man to do. The bible says it is impossible for man to save himself. Impossible really does mean impossible. Yet impossible, millions of christians claim they are doing the impossible.
No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 9, 2017 at 12:50 PM     

Well you've only stated just the opposite of my post above (my post as a Christian who attends Church and is a witness to what is taught).

No need to repeat myself then, since there is no discussion occurring here or desired here.

God Bless!

John 8:51 51Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see” death.



No. 18     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 14, 2017 at 8:43 AM     
A death of no return is final.

Did you forget that death has no victory? 1cor 15:55
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

A death of no return is final.

Did you forget that death has no victory? 1cor 15:55


Wow that is a late entry here, TCG (guess you've been busy).

There is no victory in death, indeed ... but some desire death over life and the Lord has told us that all things are permissible, although not all things are profitable...

So Cain took the life of his brother (permissible), but we find in scripture Cain's way is death and murderers do not all inherit the Kingdom/some might repent and be chosen by Him though (so the choice to murder is not profitable or otherwise not victorious).

Death itself shall be abolished along side evil and those who have chosen such paths ...

There is for certain victory over the grave with Christ!! A song comes to mind when typing this (do you like this song)?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AB0vUU038

No. 20     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 14, 2017 at 2:08 PM     
Casandie it isnt about what man wants and I doubt anyone wants permanent death. Its about what Christ done for us on the cross. You dont realize it but you down christ when you say things like that. All will hear his voice and rise casandie, no one is staying dead.

And yes I have been busy watching videos about the eclipse, weather, and trump. Sadly im kinda getting caught up into the videos

As far as the song, its very nice and the fact that he wrote a song about God made butterflies on my stomach lol. I would love to have a man like him for my boyfriend lol And I love the way he sings. Its the first time I ever heard that song and im glad I did. Thks for posting it.
No. 21     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 15, 2017 at 12:22 PM     
I'm so glad and excited that you enjoyed the song and for what you wrote about finding a man like this, TCG!! Awww...but to find men that actually speak of the Lord as their first Love and their reason for life.

A bit about the artist Jeremy Camp. He faced tragedy at a young age:

Camp and his first wife, Melissa Lynn Henning-Camp (born October 7, 1979), were married on October 21, 2000.[16] She was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and died on February 5, 2001, when he was 23 and she was 21.[16] Some of his early songs reflect the emotional ordeal of her illness. "I Still Believe" was the first song he wrote after her death. "Walk by Faith" was written during their honeymoon.[17]

On December 15, 2003, he married Adrienne Liesching, former frontwoman for The Benjamin Gate. They have two daughters and one son: Isabella "Bella" Rose Camp (born September 25, 2004), Arianne "Arie" Mae Camp (born April 5, 2006),[18] and Egan Thomas Camp (born August 17, 2011).[19] In 2009 the couple announced that they were expecting a child, but the pregnancy ended due to a miscarriage after three months.[20] Camp is also an ordained minister.[21]


He had 32 no. 1 songs on Christian radio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Camp

On Men...here we have an area we agree on again, TCG. It's not that I'm not interested in a man's life, but if it is not centered in the Lord ... then I personally predict turbulence in that relationship (it's not what life brings our way, but how we response that matters and men of the Lord with great conviction do so with 'love' in Christ).

The men and woman write songs at the Church I attend about the Glory of the Lord (as well as singing songs as I shared above). I wish I could share them (they are originals and not on youtube, but so deep in meaning).

It's simply beautiful when the Lord is praised (and there is no single other character in a man that I myself would look for).

So happy you appreciated this particular song, TCG and about what you have written in seeking a man with a heart after the Lord!



No. 22     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Aug 15, 2017 at 5:17 PM     
I have alwasy wanted a good hearted man which is why i married my second husband. He was not a preacher nor did he go to church. this is nothing new for me. But I don't want one that is a preacher and the reason is becuase they are full of criticism agaisnt others and I dont like that, I hate it in fact. But I really loved his song.
No. 23     Reply: Re: All these ministers online ....   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Aug 15, 2017 at 5:40 PM     

And yet this singer and song is the work of a christian minister and it delights my heart that you like it. TCG, not all ministers are alike, yet you are correct the entire inhabited earth misled and we only see partly today. I rely on no one but the Lord when looking for perfection, love and decisions made or that I will made in life. Some teachings and behaviors I as a Christian dislike as well (the teachings emphasized ought to be love and life and full surrender of our lives to Christ -- our good Shepard. May all ministers be encouraged to follow His steps and not that of folly).

Have a blessed day.