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No. 0     Original Topic:  question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jul 4, 2017 at 8:00 PM   Viewed 2409 times     
Well since casandie refused to answer my question, which was if she minded if i answer her concerns she has in biblical here in unorthodox since im not allowed to talk in biblical, I have deleted my question and just made a short simple thread of my own that should give her the answers she's looking for...That is, if she knows the answer to the question in my new thread.

The only reason i was asking her instead of copying her stuff from biblical to here is becuase i didnt want her running to randal claiming I was stalking her. Best to avoid that road in advance. However she wont answer so I have put a question in a thread of my own that if she has the answer to the question, it will clear up alot of her questions/concerns. Thats about all the help i can offer her since she appears to be giving me the silent treatment and it seems to be catchy.

You all have a good day.
No. 1     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 11:50 AM     
TCG -- Although you are extremely rude to me and re-interpreted what I wrote in GD to be something it is not (about fear), I did not see this thread asking me a question directly until just now (I do not read the unorthodoxed forums as much as others).

I am not offended by your insults of me though and there is no silent treatment imposed.

Yes, you are paying over attention to me though, if you have a question. Most certainly, there are other members here who can answer your questions (perhaps better than myself).

I will answer you this though, since I do not see the question you posed here now:

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

I never gave the dictionary definition, but the 'heart felt' definition. Inside a Christian's soul is the desire to please the Lord in all ways. There is a 'fear' of doing what is not pleasing to the Lord (we have only our worship and love to offer Him and when we fail in observing His Commandments of us, then our Conscience awakens us and it is as fear). This fear forms a desire to learn His Way and rebuke that of mans.

Again, I'm not sure if that is what you were asking as you accused me of in GD (that is not a dictionary definition) and I did not answer you back in GD, because I find it redundant to answer what I already stated. What you stated did not fit with what I stated.

Hope that helps answer your question. I have no questions for you.

Have a wonderful Wednesday!


No. 2     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 12:08 PM     
My apologies if you were insulted about the fear bit. I have been known to sometmes get carried away. But that is not what this thread is about. It is about your questions in your newest thread but when you didnt asnwer me as to if you minded if i answered the questions in your thread that was posted in bibical, i just deleted the question and made a thread of my own that will eventually answer your thread.

Ps there is more than one shade to the term "fear" and the kind christianity uses is the wrong one. It is not an attack on you personally that i posted about fear, its was because you spoke about Christianity in my thread and asked do i teach it to my kids and claimed christians dont have those kind of troubles that i do. I told you no and why i do not teach "christianity" to my kids but i do teach them to respect parents so dont be offened. You are a human, Christianity is a belief. Christianity teachings are based solely on fearing God and i simply explained to you that for that reason i will not teach "christianity" to my kids. You cannot love God if you fear him. Perfect love cast out fear. But christianity doctrine wants everyone to fear God which they dont understand that telling someone to fear God is the same thing as telling them to NOT love God becuase there is no love in fear. But they do not realize what they are doing and i gave you some verses.
No. 3     Reply: Re: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 12:34 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

My apologies if you were insulted about the fear bit. But that is not what this thread is about. It is about your questions in your newest thread but when you didnt asnwer me as to if you minded if i answered the questions in your thread that was posted in bibical, i just deleted the question and made a thread of my own that will eventually answer your thread.

Ps there is more than one shade to the term "fear" and the kind christianity uses is the wrong one. It is not you personality that i posted about fear, its was becuase you spoke about Christianity in my thread and asked do i teach it to my kids. I told you no and why i do nto teach "christianity to my kids" so dont be offened. Christianity teachings are based on fear and i simply explained it to you.


Well thank you for your apology, however, you did in fact call me ignorant and take personal attack against me (both there and here).

I am not offended, but certainly the reality of the rudeness and abrasiveness is clearly visible.

I have answered in your other thread here in unorthodoxed, but due to redundancy (we've held the discussion before and I don't want to quarrel with you and you have already insulted me (same insults) as well as Christian beliefs (same insults against Christianity)....so I will not be contributing beyond my one post there that I think covers the question fairly well). I didn't know if maybe your first husband was Christian as far as your discussion about your children in GD and my question about their upbringing due to what you shared (your children showing you disrespect). (Again sorry I asked, since you took such offense to the matter).

As far as the Gospel of Christ ... I have no concerns or questions personally. I post questions for others thoughts on questions I see, misunderstandings and that are given to me sometimes.

Again, have a great Wednesday!




No. 4     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 12:52 PM     
In my edit you will see that i said i sometimes have been known to get carried away. However it does make me angry that you said what yu did to me, because i found what you said extremely rude. You and on purpose made it as though I was having trouble with kids becuase I do not beleive in your belief, which is the doctrine of Christianity. That was a very poor and uncaring comment you to make and to make matters worse, it was an extremely hypocritical comment. So ya i made it known that i was not at all impressed with the coldness in your comment. Then i preceded to comment on why i dont teach my kids your doctrine.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 1:12 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

In my edit you will see that i said i sometimes have been known to get carried away. However it does make me angry that you said what yu did to me, because i found what you said extremely rude. You and on purpose make it sound like I was having trouble with kids becuase I do not beleive in your belief, which is the doctrine of Christianity. That was a very poor and uncaring comment you made and i found it extremely hypocritical.


TCG -- I in no way 'implied' anything that was not written in my post in GD.

I repeat what I said here as Christian Doctrine: respecting one's parents is a very important teaching in Christianity (and to me personally)...and as a Christian, I wondered if your Children had been introduced to Christianity in their upbringing.

As I stated in GD, I think you read too much into what I wrote -- but I have said I was sorry (3 or 4 times now) for asking, since it was taken in the wrong way by you.

To me, this is all too much over a question posed and apologized for when you felt it wrong that I ask if your Children knew Christianity (and yes due to the great importance of respect for one's parents held in our Doctrine).

It's a Christian website ...but 'no one here is out to get ya'!!! (convert maybe, but not hurt your feelings. Least of all me).

Take care. I'm offline to get work done.

mod. typos

No. 6     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 2:37 PM     
Teaching children respect for parents has nothing to do with religion nor what a man labels himself. So to say those kind of things do not happen to christians was very unintelligent. Awhile back in my news there was a christian family, in fact if i remember correctly the fahter of that family was a christian preacher, who bought his son a really fancy nice car for his b day. The boy showed his respect and appreciation for his father by calling him out to where he was saying his car wont start. When his father got there to help his son, his son shot his father dead right where he stood. Being a christian matters none. What religion you are matters none. Kids grow up and get a mind of their own.
No. 7     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 6, 2017 at 2:06 AM     

TCG, as explained in GD:

The Christian Doctrine is that a child will honor and respect their parents. If a Christian fails then they are not a 'practicing' Christian. Anyone can believe in Christ, but 'love' for the Lord requires obedience and sacrifice as Christ taught us. There is suffering to the flesh in sacrifice (but joy to the Spirit and for us looking forward to His Kingdom where there will be no tears or death).

A Christian that is 'practicing' the Doctrine of Christianity will respect and honor their parents, because it is our belief.

Do you understand now? I did not say all Christians follow the Doctrine of Christianity. I stated it is our Doctrine and those who are practicing will follow it.

There are many non-practicing Christians just as there are non-practicing muslims or other faiths. I only relayed the Christian Doctrine to you that I follow and many follow (although some chose not to follow or in other words, they chose not to 'practice' Christianity).

I want to explain more so that you might understand Christian Doctrine (this offers zero insult to you, but only so that you might know)...

You speak of suffering in RPM's thread on being a good soldier...

It is through sacrifice that one suffers in Christ not via 'bad' things of this earth occurring (these are considered trials though and involve suffering of a different kind). It is not easy being a Christian in that we surrender our entire lives to the Lord. In example, I wanted children more than anything in life since I was a child. I had to hold obedience to the Lord though and for that reason I have none. When I say obedience, I did not have premarital sex and could only marry someone evenly yoked and in Christ and as a woman a man that I could submit to, so I suffer in the flesh now for my faith. I was engaged more than once, but although Christian, the men I dated were not practicing I found out in time (trying to tempt me to have premarital sex with them and another had a worldly addiction that I could not accept I discovered. Still another cared more about material things than I could respect him for. So you see...I was not evenly yoked with these men and ended the engagements and I know full well about 'nonpracticing' believers. I quit looking for a spouse (rationalizing those marriages most likely would end in divorce/suffering and my obedience to God was more important to me and the sacrifice small compared to Christ's).

That is my personal story that is quite small though. I confess that I am not an admirable Christian as I look at others who sacrifice their very lives in ministry, so I personally feel like very little. I see others who make less mistakes than me, who speak better, who are far more worthy than I in Christ if we only judged our deeds and sacrifice to the Lord.

You have talked about suffering and even suggested the Lord would bring it to me (well my life is suffering -- but I count it as a joy not because my life, but it is looking forward to the Lord's Kingdom to come). The other suffering we face in life due to the fallen world is additional to the suffering we understand as Christians. So I give to my Mother more than myself when possible (I moved into a house I did not want in which to buy her a house/she has a new vehicle I bought her...mine is old, etc.), because sacrifice is a main component in love to Christians. It's nothing compared to what she has done for me though by bringing me up in the Lord. The sacrifices I make to her is by far the greatest joy I have in life! So this is the joy Christians have in the Lord -- to serve Him and to serve others.

These are 'doctrines' of Christianity. I understand that not everyone one who believes in the Lord 'walks' with Him and that my examples here are small as I, myself am small and not as good as others perhaps, but this is our Doctrine, whether the Christian Gospel is followed by all desiring to be Christians or believing in Christ or not). Recall, Christ stated it is harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom as it is for a camel through the eye of a needle (so he must sacrifice what he has. Some chose to. Some do not. Yet, the 'Doctrine' is the same.

Blessings.




No. 8     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 6, 2017 at 2:13 AM     
Sorry for a second post ... but, I have thought of a better example given in the Bible (as far as real life examples) in consideration of those 'practicing' Christianity and those failing ...

Recall Paul commenting on the early Churches and some where 'lukewarm,' etc.

So it is today, but the Doctrine and the Biblical Gospel stays the same. I understand we have different Doctrines, but I am explaining my own here (no questions or comments about your own beliefs which you have shared amply already with me).

Thanks!

Make Thursday a terrific Day (I have a busy day tomorrow, but will try to drop in if I can).!

No. 9     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jul 6, 2017 at 8:19 AM     
NO man can follow the law of God, So when you say practicing christians well to me thats nothing but people who are in love with themselves who highly praise themselves for absoultely nothing. Hopefully one day, they will spend all their energy praising the Lord instead of themselves

There is no such thing as a practicing christian on this planet.
No. 10     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 6, 2017 at 2:06 PM     
TCG -- It is by Grace that we are saved so that no man can boast, but a heart that loves God will sacrifice his or her very flesh for the Lord just as did the Apostles gave their very lives ... (that is not just believing, but 'practicing' Christianity).

It's being a good solider in Christ!

This is the absent of fear in 'perfect love.'

Have No Fear/the perfect love that casts out fears:

Luke 12:4“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. 5But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him! 6Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies?b And not one of them is forgotten before God. 7Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.

([Here I am explaining the Christian Doctrine of 'perfect love casting out fears ... So bear with me here as these are Christ's words here provided rather than my own]).

Luke 12:32“Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. 34For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The Perfect love that casts out fears of God is faith to do what might seem impossible and 'some' 'practicing' Christians do accomplish today (not for boasting and not for salvation, but out of that Perfect Love for God and having that 'eternal' perspective looking forward when evil, tears and death will be no more and the hope of His Kingdom.

1 John 4:17 In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment;

Again, I am sharing with you Christian Doctrine and beliefs solely with no desire to quarrel, but so you might understand these beliefs although different than your own.

I have no questions or concerns and understand what you yourself belief. You are correct. I am not good. Noone is good, but 'some' are carrying forth His Way in life to the best of their ability (to the world this would be without stain just as Christ was perfect before the world, but held no claim of being good or to the usurp the Glory that righteously belongs to the Father).

Thanks for your questions even if it is not believed by you.

Again enjoy your Thursday and new kitten (I think I have what I have identified a new critter (2 came inside yesterday) as a salamander in my garage now too, btw! [not positive as I thought they needed water, but I have read it possible in CA as they live outside of water here)! I think these critters are coming in my garage to escape the heat ... the temps are high this time of year where I live). Blessings.


No. 11     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Jul 7, 2017 at 8:20 AM     
God's Word does not contain the concept of; 'practicing' and 'non 'practicing' Believer in Lord Jesus.

Sandie, could you expound on where you got this idea from.

No. 12     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 7, 2017 at 9:17 AM     
Biblically, if you are a believer in Christ, you are a follower. And Christ Himself indicated such is for us in this life. He provided the example as to what we should strive for, no matter how difficult we may find it.
No. 13     Reply: Re: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 7, 2017 at 11:26 AM     
Verbatim wrote:

God's Word does not contain the concept of; 'practicing' and 'non 'practicing' Believer in Lord Jesus.

Sandie, could you expound on where you got this idea from.



Verbatim, I can and I thank you for allowing me to expand here.

Matthew 23:3 So practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

The word practice in English roughly means 'doing,' or otherwise defined (online dictionary): "the actual application or use of an idea, belief, or method as opposed to theories about such application or use."

I use the word here, because we are discussing Christian Doctrines that are either practiced (done) by believers or not. While addressing this though, it is important to understand that it is not done by or of ourselves, but by the Lord in order to accomplish His Will (I found a good article on this that I'd like to share although extending beyond the question asked):

Jesus gave His disciples the secret to faithfully following Him, but they did not recognize it at the time. He said, "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing (John 6:63). And "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them” (verse 65). The disciples had walked with Jesus for three years, learning, observing, and participating in His miracles. Yet, even they could not follow Him faithfully in their own strength. They needed a Helper.


https://www.gotquestions.org/follow-Christ.html

I go deeper here to explain that doing 'good' does not mean one is following Christ in itself. Going to Church, reading the Bible is not that which I address here. Anyone can do good (unbelievers alike). There is a good argument I read once that stated the title "Christian," actually means, "slave of Christ." But, the title "Christian" is understood commonly to mean: a follower of Christ. So 'obedience' is not for ourselves alone (to the contrary, it includes sacrifice of ourselves) and the Lord Himself is needed in which to do His Will (so if there be Praise -- it is for Him, not of ourselves).

Matthew 23:3 So practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

Philippians 4:9 What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Ephesians 5:8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

The original discussion was on honoring one's parents as a Christian Doctrine -- I have argued although not practiced in all cases by even those that call themselves Christians...it is a teaching of the Lord. I know and witness many Christians (those surrendering to His Will; born again) who show great honor and respect to their parents.

Blessings wished on this glorious Friday!
mod. typo (sorry if there are more not caught).
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 7, 2017 at 11:29 AM     

modified: apparently if following the thread, this discussion was not supposed to be on the GD discussion on the Christian Doctrine of honoring one's parents.

I got to the thread late and apologized. TCG created another thread about the actual question asked (which was about a thread I created in Theo and the Christian belief that God does not and can not perform evil [which is sin])...despite it's creation.

Blessing all.


No. 15     Reply: GROW IN CHRIST - if you be of Him   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Jul 9, 2017 at 10:39 AM     
Jesus Christ Lord- said:

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

and

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

No. 16     Reply: Re: GROW IN CHRIST - if you be of Him   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 9, 2017 at 6:02 PM     
Verbatim wrote:

Jesus Christ Lord- said:

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

and

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.



Great Scriptures Verbatim. Thanks for adding these here! :2thumbs:



No. 17     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jul 11, 2017 at 9:23 AM     
the bigger picture is this....Any soul residing in a physical body DOETH NOT!
No. 18     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 18, 2017 at 11:31 AM     
What Christianity teaches as to understanding fear [it's not fear of death, but the desire to please God, even if we cannot fully -- that which is good delights and benefits man. That which is bad does not. This fact alone (not growing up in a Church) led to my believe in the Lord (I love what is good and despite what is not) and my belief that the Bible is the truth.

Titus 3:8
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.


Titus 3:14
And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.


I shared something most recently on my FB Wall that I repeat here:

If the Church hurt you and caused you to stray, then your belief was in people and not God.


No. 19     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Jul 19, 2017 at 4:43 AM     
The church is hurting everybody that walks inside it. The term Fear that christianity uses does not make one want to please God, it makes people hate God which is why judgement must begin at the house of God first.
No. 20     Reply: Re: question for cassandie   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jul 19, 2017 at 5:49 AM     
:group_prayer: