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No. 0     Original Topic: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 5, 2017 at 8:52 PM   Viewed 3077 times     
What it's truly like to be hated not for one's person, but because of one's beliefs soley. Forfeiting one's very life for one's Faith ... this is what is true of being a Christian.

I am shocked to hear of the deaths taking place in Mexico against Christians. Please read:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/02/christian-persecution-seen-in-more-locations-across-globe-new-report-shows.html

No. 1     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 5, 2017 at 9:29 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

What it's truly like to be hated not for one's person, but because of one's beliefs soley.

I dont wonder what its like because i know what its like since i been through it, what I wonder is why it happens. Why hate anyone for their beliefs? It certainly does not please God to hate someone for not only that reason but any reason. I see it being because we dont think like God and cannot please God as the sinners that we are. The heart/mind of man is awful.
No. 2     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 6, 2017 at 12:54 PM     

Thanks TCG, then you do understand that when a person insults our Churches (or lumps all Christians/Churches in the same basket which is not possible), say degrading things about all Christian Pastors (again lumping them all in the same basket) as well as promoting the ideas of things that are against Christian beliefs on a site created to share in Christian beliefs...

that it is a form of persecution?

Christians are 'dying' (being slaughtered) though (not merely mocked/attempted scams/ridiculed). Have you laid down your life the same for Christ -- when you state you understand? I would ask the same of the Christians here that might suggest a 'superior' position over any other Christian here (which occurs as well).

Over 700 Christians 'each month' are faced with torture in the forms of beatings, rapes, false imprisonment and other cruelties...and this number is growing and many are quite young.

That is love for the Lord.

The heart/mind of man is awful.


Either that or it's in full submission to the Lord and beautiful.

No. 3     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  May 6, 2017 at 3:35 PM     
Persecution was frequently foretold by Christ, as certain to come to those who were His true disciples and followers. He forewarned them again and again that it was inevitable. He said that He Himself must suffer it…
Matthew 16.21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 17.22-23
And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Mark 8.31
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

It would be a test of true discipleship...in the parable of the Sower, He mentions this as one of the causes of defection among those who are Christians- in outward appearance only... possibly a false conversion. When affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately the stony-ground hearers are offended…
Mark 4.17
And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
No. 4     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 6, 2017 at 4:47 PM     
Casandie, its wrong to hate for beliefs but lets do the switcheroo. Do you think its ok for a Christian to do it to others? its not a one way street ya know. Christians do the same things to other people. This world is full of hate period. This horrible hate going around in this world is full of Christian participation too. It isn't just non Christians spreading hate and murdering, Christians are too. People are killing Christians and Christians are also hating and killing people. Its not a one way street casandie. It is sad both ways and against God. All the uncalled murders of people is awful no matter who they are.

ya know in all honesty, if someone killed a homosexual, not a christian one would care. it would just be no big deal but if someone kills a chrisitan, its made a big deal. I dont see where a christian is more important than a homosexual. ITs a life that was took period. murder is murder.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 6, 2017 at 8:07 PM     

Verbatim wrote:

Persecution was frequently foretold by Christ, as certain to come to those who were His true disciples and followers. He forewarned them again and again that it was inevitable. He said that He Himself must suffer it…
Matthew 16.21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 17.22-23
And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Mark 8.31
And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

It would be a test of true discipleship...in the parable of the Sower, He mentions this as one of the causes of defection among those who are Christians- in outward appearance only... possibly a false conversion. When affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately the stony-ground hearers are offended…
Mark 4.17
And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.


Very true. For certain this was foretold. It as well will increase due to the ending of this world (for which we can have joy)!

Do you think its ok for a Christian to do it to others? its not a one way street ya know. Christians do the same things to other people. This world is full of hate period. This horrible hate going around in this world is full of Christian participation too. It isn't just non Christians spreading hate and murdering, Christians are too. People are killing Christians and Christians are also hating and killing people. Its not a one way street casandie. It is sad both ways and against God. All the uncalled murders of people is awful no matter who they are.

ya know in all honesty, if someone killed a homosexual, not a christian one would care. it would just be no big deal but if someone kills a chrisitan, its made a big deal.



TCG -- You accusations are sad and show an absent of love for Christians.

Christians are dying giving 'aid' (food, medicine as well as Bibles) to those of the world religions. You consider that hate?

As stated elsewhere not holding the time for drawn out debates with another who is set in their own mind on what they believe and have no desire to reconcile those beliefs or think kinder of Christians.


No. 6     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 6:09 AM     
non christians give aid too casandie. The only differece in that as far as a christian vs non christian goes, is a christian would not help anyone that they knew had sins or lived a kind of life they disagreed with whereas a non christian would still help them if they were in need regardless of their sins.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 6:58 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

non christians give aid too casandie. The only differece in that as far as a christian vs non christian goes, is a christian would not help anyone that they knew had sins or lived a kind of life they disagreed with whereas a non christian would still help them if they were in need.


LOL. That is sure a crock of not the way it is. It is quite the opposite of what you share.

Even our Federal government has historically considered charging some responsibilities of providing aid to churches and faith based groups, because it is known fact they provide aid to all regardless of differences, and do it more efficiently with less money. Faith based groups are considered of the best at getting aid directly to where it is really needed.

Christian missionaries have brought "civilization" to others for centuries regardless of faith differences, and/or even when there is faith in nothing.

Are you the example of what non-Christians do? If so, it likely comes to no surprise to anyone on MC of the persecution you claim to have received, if your actions here on MC are any example of how you treat others. For as a non-Christian, you attempt to "dig it out" more than most non-Christians I encounter. You chastise and persecute until there is retaliation right or wrong, and then play the victim.

You throw everything on the wall you can in the face of Christians to antagonize them, and when you finally get a response, you accuse Christians of being in the wrong. Many of us should maybe not respond in the manner as we do or have, but we all are human. Most eventually defend themselves in some manner after continual attacks.
No. 8     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 7, 2017 at 7:21 AM     
Psalm 51: 10 ...

Create in me a clean heart, O God. Renew a right spirit WITHIN me.
No. 9     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 7, 2017 at 7:23 AM     
It is an " ongoing process " ... and ... as the Good Lord helps us ...

We are " making progress " ... Amen ? Amen ! :2thumbs: :cloud9:
No. 10     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 7:28 AM     
not true in all cases. for example, Preachers do not want to marry homosexuals. They dont deserve the same rights as they do. Christains beat up people like that and do not want to help them and dont want them to have food. I have heard many of them say they should not be allowed to eat in restaurants. they should be kicked out to starve. This kind of behavior coming from what suppose to be a loving caring christian. Im sure that is not what God defines as love. And all sorts of other big time judgmental behaviors of a christian is why christian persecution is on the rise and its sad but not surprising at all becuase people are fighting back unfortunattely in a bad way.
No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 7:36 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

not true in all cases. for example, Preachers do not want to marry homosexuals. They dont deserve the same rights as they do. Christains beat up people like that and do not want to help them and dont want them to have food. I have heard many of them say they should not be allowed to eat in restaurants. they should be kicked out to starve. This kind of behavior coming from what suppose to be a loving caring christian. Im sure that is not what God defines as love. And all sorts of other big time judgmental behaviors of a christian is why christian persecution is on the rise.


You never indicated as to whether you were talking about some, all, or whatever. You accused Christians. All factions of any group/organization calling themselves one thing or another have a minority that do not totally adhere to the prescribed ideals. That does not mean "throw the baby out with the bath water". Again, people are human.
No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 7, 2017 at 7:39 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

not true in all cases. for example, Preachers do not want to marry homosexuals. They dont deserve the same rights as they do. Christains beat up people like that and do not want to help them and dont want them to have food. I have heard many of them say they should not be allowed to eat in restaurants. they should be kicked out to starve. This kind of behavior coming from what suppose to be a loving caring christian. Im sure that is not what God defines as love. And all sorts of other big time judgmental behaviors of a christian is why christian persecution is on the rise.



So ... how would you come across to homosexuals ... or anyone else for that matter TCG ( if you were a preacher or Christian ) ?

You point out what you believe preachers or Christians are doing wrong ... so how would you go about it ... what do you believe is the " right way " ???

Everyone can point a finger ... and point out what others are doing wrong ... so ... how would you go about it ???

:popcorn:

Please take what you said is wrong and bring out what you believe is right ... thank you.

No. 13     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 7:48 AM     
rpm same as i do today. I would treat them as I would want to be treated. I hate no one just beucase Their lifestyle is different than my own or they have different sins than my own. I would not try to change them. I would also help them in wahtever way they needed. I would also know its isn't their fault as it is not a choice for them even thought scream otherwise. I would also know I can't change anyone by being evil to them, threatening them, starving them or anything else bad.
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:00 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

rpm same as i do today. I would treat them as I would want to be treated. I hate no one just beucase Their lifestyle is different than my own or they have different sins than my own. I would not try to change them. I would also help them in wahtever way they needed. I would also know its isn't their fault as it is not a choice for them even thought scream otherwise. I would also know I can't change anyone by being evil to them, threatening them, starving them or anything else bad.


But yet you choose to do "bad" to Christians.
No. 15     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:04 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

not true in all cases. for example, Preachers do not want to marry homosexuals. They dont deserve the same rights as they do. Christains beat up people like that and do not want to help them and dont want them to have food. I have heard many of them say they should not be allowed to eat in restaurants. they should be kicked out to starve. This kind of behavior coming from what suppose to be a loving caring christian. Im sure that is not what God defines as love. And all sorts of other big time judgmental behaviors of a christian is why christian persecution is on the rise.


You never indicated as to whether you were talking about some, all, or whatever. You accused Christians. All factions of any group/organization calling themselves one thing or another have a minority that do not totally adhere to the prescribed ideals. That does not mean "throw the baby out with the bath water". Again, people are human.

I don't think its all but I do think the majority of them do. But that doesn't even matter to those who are persecuting christians because everyone knows thats the christian belief so they persecute christans period and thats sad. But its just as sad what christians do to people as well. Its sad both ways.
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:09 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

rpm same as i do today.

I would treat them as I would want to be treated.

I hate no one just beucase Their lifestyle is different than my own or they have different sins than my own.

I would not try to change them. I would also help them in wahtever way they needed.

I would also know its isn't their fault as it is not a choice for them even thought scream otherwise.

I would also know I can't change anyone by being evil to them, threatening them, starving them or anything else bad.



Okay TCG ... thank you !

So, let's take a look at what you said and see how it " lines up " with preachers and Christians.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Treat others as we want to be treated ... we agree !

Hate no one because of their life style or sins ... we agree !

NOT trying to change them ... and would help them ... we agree !

Can not change anyone by being evil or bad to them ... we agree !

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I believe we do " line up " and hold similar views. Isn't that good ?

I'll stop there for now ... but I did want to show there are some views we do agree on.

No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:13 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

not true in all cases. for example, Preachers do not want to marry homosexuals. They dont deserve the same rights as they do. Christains beat up people like that and do not want to help them and dont want them to have food. I have heard many of them say they should not be allowed to eat in restaurants. they should be kicked out to starve. This kind of behavior coming from what suppose to be a loving caring christian. Im sure that is not what God defines as love. And all sorts of other big time judgmental behaviors of a christian is why christian persecution is on the rise.


You never indicated as to whether you were talking about some, all, or whatever. You accused Christians. All factions of any group/organization calling themselves one thing or another have a minority that do not totally adhere to the prescribed ideals. That does not mean "throw the baby out with the bath water". Again, people are human.


I dont think its all but I do think its most all. But that doesn't even matter to those who are persecuting christians becuase everyone knows thats the christian belief so they persecute christans period and thats sad. But its just as sad what christians do to people as well. Its sad both ways.


Many call themselves Christian that are not, it not all by far, and most do not know such, whatever it is you mean, about Christians.

Christians have been persecuted from just about the beginning, for simply following Christ.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:25 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I don't think its all but I do think the majority of them do.



I don't think it's all either ... we agree again ! :high5:

But I do think there are " some " Christians that do treat others poorly ( due to immarturity )

No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:54 AM     
Christians have been persecuted from just about the beginning, for simply following Christ.

For following Christ??? YOu gotta be kidding me lol, There is not a scripture one in the bible where Christ is telling christians to treat others badly. That comes from the christians own heart which, according to the bible is wicked, not God. They cannot use God as their excuse for wanting people to starve, or turning people away from God with their wicked untrue hellfire teachings and all other mean evel things they do and say to people. One who does those things are not followers of Christ by far.
No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 9:17 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Christians have been persecuted from just about the beginning, for simply following Christ.

For following Christ??? YOu gotta be kidding me lol, There is not a scripture one in the bible where Christ is telling christians to treat others badly.


Who said there was any such Scripture? You have deflected from the topic and made it about something else altogether to avoid a realistic response.

You always seem to surmise it takes two wrongs to make a right. It does not.

Many non-Christians are also doing wrong to others regardless of whom they are or what they believe, but that is not the topic of the OP.
No. 21     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 9:21 AM     
you said for following Christ did you not? Some christians treat people so bad because they don't know Christ not because they are following him. christians alwasy use scriptures to try to prove their bad behavior is because of God or his word. They are always blaming God for their bad behavior. And I mean ALWAYS and is why they dont see their own wrong doings.
No. 22     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:18 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

you said for following Christ did you not? Some christians treat people so bad because they don't know Christ not because they are following him. christians alwasy use scriptures to try to prove their bad behavior is because of God or his word. They are always blaming God for their bad behavior. And I mean ALWAYS and is why they dont see their own wrong doings.


LOL. You are the one that always blames God for individual behavior.

I stated "persecuted for following Christ". The Bible and history both support such as being true.

Many like to refer to themselves as to being of Christian faith, but that does not make them a Christian.

You like to talk about how Christians treat people, have you ever stopped to think about how you have treated Christians since day one of coming to MC? For what reason do you only hold Christians accountable, and not such as yourself, whom makes first strike.

More than just Christians are against partaking in homosexuality and the many other "ills" of society. In fact, it appears to me that Church/Christians is about all that consistently reaches out to such.
No. 23     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:30 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

non christians give aid too casandie. The only differece in that as far as a christian vs non christian goes, is a christian would not help anyone that they knew had sins or lived a kind of life they disagreed with whereas a non christian would still help them if they were in need regardless of their sins.


TCG -- it's difficult to have a discussion with you when you modify things at a 360 degree level (I should have grabbed what you wrote previously although not holding time to answer). You had said that my belief was because I was Christian that I supported Survivor's thoughts.

I disagree with Survivor sometimes regardless of him being my Brother in the Lord.

As for your modified post here:

Christians are the largest givers to non-Christians and ppl they feel are sinning in the world!!!

Billions annually are given to the poor and needy and ill in countries across the globe by Christians (albeit -- as the thread I provided in GD shows, it is getting harder for Christians due to gov policies not allowing Christian charity).

No. 24     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:36 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

you said for following Christ did you not? Some christians treat people so bad because they don't know Christ not because they are following him. christians alwasy use scriptures to try to prove their bad behavior is because of God or his word. They are always blaming God for their bad behavior. And I mean ALWAYS and is why they dont see their own wrong doings.


In addition, I do not typically see most Christians treating others as you state. Maybe some far right extremists that like to call themselves Christian do.

I guess it boils down to whom one opts to hang with. Sounds as if you need to change your circle of acquaintances and/or treat others differently yourself.
No. 25     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:41 AM     
one of your fellow christian freinds right here on this site spoke all those horrible things i say they do and one of your fellow christians here on this site spoke horrible about homo's and unfortunately many of you members here agreed with that member so for you to be denying hateful is not the christians way is just that...denial of whats true of christians.
No. 26     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:48 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

one of your fellow christian freinds right here on this site spoke all those horrible things i mention yrs ago and unfortunately many of you members here agreed with that member so for you to be denying thats the christians way is just that...denial of whats true of christians.


I stated I typically do not see such. I also do not recall it as you state. The argument I recall was more so against your incorrect Biblical support of sin, than it was against homosexuals. You twisted and turned it into being a debate about something else. You like to "push buttons", and then "point fingers".
No. 27     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:57 AM     
I dont know which thread your talking about. its not a specific one as there were tons of them none of a good heart but there actually was one in particular talking about throwing them out restaurants and letting them starve to death and on and on. I will tell you what i was trying to show them is their attitudes was so agaisnt God it wasnt even funny and to try to make their bad behavior look good they posted scriptures to make their awful behavior acceptable. It was down right sad. But that's the christian way and christians wonder why christian persecution is on the rise. You all might think im downing chrisitians but what if what i was doing is really the same thing christians are doing....showing christians their wrongdoings just as christains do to others except i don't threaten them with hellfire, I don't want them to starve to death, i dont want them threw out of restaurants or other public places and i do feel they deserve the same rights as anyone else. I have no bad intentions for christians.
No. 28     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 11:02 AM     
OK, lets forget what who done first in the past.

Lets look at just the past 3-4 days alone, and just this forum.

You have started at least one thread in an effort to attack Christians, and entered the thread of another and initiated an attack on Christians. No one here on MC was doing anything to you.

You are angered when people respond to you, and post in anger when there is an effort to not respond to you.
No. 29     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 11:18 AM     
no im not angered if anyone responds to me. If i respond badly its becuase they did.
No. 30     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 9:46 PM     
Survivor wrote: You have started at least one thread in an effort to attack Christians, and entered the thread of another and initiated an attack on Christians. No one here on MC was doing anything to you.


It's just a constant attack against Christianity.

I was just hoping that this thread might show TCG what 'real' persecution is and how Christians face 'death' for Christ and are beaten, raped by the dozens (over 700 Christian each month...this is no small number)...

TCG -- I'm disappointed to see accusations against Christians here rather than compassion.




No. 31     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 8, 2017 at 5:13 PM     
the thread is about christian persecution and im telling you reasons that can be why. Myself im not mad at christians, i dont hate christians or anything else bad. I see christians just like I see anyone else....People.
No. 32     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 8, 2017 at 8:31 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Myself im not mad at christians, i dont hate christians or anything else bad.



Glad you like being here with us Christians. :2thumbs:
No. 33     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 12, 2017 at 3:00 PM     
me too
No. 34     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 17, 2017 at 9:52 AM     

Going back to the topic of the OP (thanks everyone for your posts on the topic) --

Survivor698 wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

Christians have been persecuted from just about the beginning, for simply following Christ.

For following Christ??? YOu gotta be kidding me lol, There is not a scripture one in the bible where Christ is telling christians to treat others badly.


Who said there was any such Scripture? You have deflected from the topic and made it about something else altogether to avoid a realistic response.

You always seem to surmise it takes two wrongs to make a right. It does not.

Many non-Christians are also doing wrong to others regardless of whom they are or what they believe, but that is not the topic of the OP.


The thread is about 'non-Christians' persecuting Christians...and it increasing in numbers.

Cut and pasted from the OP article:

In the past year, the persecution of Christians has not only increased, but it has also spread to more corners of the globe – with incidents occurring on every continent, according to a new report.


I would agree with RPM that if Christian persecutes Christian -- it is due to Spiritual immaturity. Many Christians are in name only / they have no real depth of love for God or others [I consider it this way: they believe 'yet' they are not born again] ... but that is not the topic of this thread).

There are scriptures throughout the Bible addressing the persecution of the Apostles and those who follow Christ.

God Bless.
mod to add cut and paste from OP article.

No. 35     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 9:05 AM     
There is no human on earth that follows Christ. People misunderstand scriptures and hurt people and use the excuse they are following Christ to do it. NO way no day. Hurting people is agianst God.
No. 36     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 10:55 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

There is no human on earth that follows Christ. People misunderstand scriptures and hurt people and use the excuse they are following Christ to do it. NO way no day. Hurting people is agianst God.


I agree there is a lot of this in this world, but that does not make the Lord's Commandment of His people an 'impossibility' as the Lord Commands us to Love.

If an impossibility, the Covenant before man would not be given:

John 13:34 A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”

Make it a great day!



No. 37     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 5:44 PM     
It is impossible for us to do. The bible no where in it says man can do it but it does tell us we cannot follow the law of God and of course its meaning is while we are in our physical bodies.
No. 38     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 9:20 PM     

Why do you think the Lord would give us Commandments we were unable to comply with?

No. 39     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 12:23 AM     
The bible is just telling us whats needs to be for salvation but no where in it does it tells us we can accomplish it. What is does tell us is no man can follow the law of God.
No. 40     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 12:48 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

The bible is just telling us whats needs to be for salvation but no where in it does it tells us we can accomplish it. What is does tell us is no man can follow the law of God.


Repeating the Commandment we are told to 'live' that also states rather clearly that compliance will allow recognition by all men.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”

No question or request here is made (just posting the scripture again for your reading again).

This Covenant is written upon our hearts by Christ (it is not law as was the Mosaic law under the Old Covenant -- albeit a different topic once again [not sure you meant to open another topic though]). Nonetheless, due to time constraints I will have to allow another to pick up this discussion if desired. We are finally getting a break in the heat wave here and I will be playing catch up tomorrow on things that the heat disallowed me from accomplishing. Hope your cat is doing better/will pray.



No. 41     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 8:32 AM     
The written commandments does not say or even insinuate that we, in the physical body, can do it. We can't. The bible tells us we cant. Don't read more into a scripture than whats really there. And take into account that no man can follow the law of God. And as to the specific verse you posted, we are not his disciples. Have you gave everything away you own, such as house, car, land and anything else you own and do you love all people? NO then we are not his disciples.

Ps, yes my cat is happy and loveable today thanks for asking about him. He rubbed his head into me this morning giving me love. Animals know when you help them and they love you for it. Thats why i alwasy wanted to be a veternarian. I love helping animals feel better. Those that know of me is why the people drop off their animals at my house. The lady at the front of my road told me a yr or two later that cat i have was hers, she dropped it off at my house as a tiny kitten becuase she couldn't keep it and she knew i was the best place for it to be. kinda made me feel good.
No. 42     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 10:33 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

The bible is just telling us whats needs to be for salvation but no where in it does it tells us we can accomplish it.

What is does tell us is no man can follow the law of God.



Yes ... we can not follow the law ... on our own ... without Christ.

But ... when Christ lives His life within us ... this changes everything.

Philippians 2: 13 ...

For it is God who works IN YOU to will and to act in order to fulfill His good purpose.

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We both realize TCG ... when a person has his/her mind SET ... no amount of sharing or explanation can " change " the person's mind ... but we can plant the seed ... and leave it with God. I believe plenty of seed has been planted ... and this brief reply is only given as a reminder of the truth ... Christ Lives In Me !

It's not me ... but Him ... living His life through me !

So, this will be all I will say at this time ...


No. 43     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 10:54 AM     
The Lord is definately a must in fact he is the only way our hearts can change but where in the bible does it say he will change us in this life we live in the body? Nowhere that i have ever found. But it does tell us when and its not in this life we live while still in the body. we have to get rid of the body and the only way to do that is through physical death. So it cannot happen before physical death.
No. 44     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 11:00 AM     
TCG --

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You asked if I have given away all my possessions, but I own nothing. I came into this earth without and will leave this earth the same way. All I have belongs to the Lord. I have all the provisions given me by the Lord going to Charity. I have no needs unfulfilled (which are minimum) or wants. I am here for a little while on this earth and need only basic necessities. Many feel the same and do this. Nobody takes possessions of the earth with them when they leave. My work -- literally for charity purposes having earmarked all I have to charity and not squandering it on things I have personally never needed in this world (but could have purchased). I pinch pennies, so that my offering might be big.

Praising God the cat is feeling better and that you care for drop offs. Have you asked why and who gave you the heart to do so. I view it as good.

No. 45     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 11:25 AM     
YOu mean all you have was given to you by the Lord to live in this life. You live somewhere, you might own land or not. You might wanna bury a deceast family member who passes and go to their funeral but you cant have or do these things if you want to be a follower of christ. the words in the bible is let the dead bury the dead if you want to pick up the cross and follow him. There is not a human alive that wont go to the funeral of their deceast loved one.That let the dead bury the dead means let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead. You can not follow christ if these earthly things are put before following the Lord. Love the LOrd first above all else. WE are humans and we have things in this life that must be gotten rid of in order to follow christ. The only way a man is gonna get rid of what he owns on earth is to die physically. Most mankind is striving to gain more and more not get rid of it. And many people even brag about the things they have in this life. but everything people has is only here for alittle while becuase we are one day gonna die and it will be passed on to someone else.
No. 46     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 11:27 AM     
As far as the cat yes my love for cats came from the Lord. All love does but it doesnt mean we love everything or everyone. There is alot of hate floating around too in people. Love cats does not take away my sins. It does not make me sinfree by far. It takes alot more than my love for cats and other animals to completely purify my heart and mind making me a perfect follower of Christ. My love for cats doesn't even scrape the bottom of the bucket to becoming a perfect follower or christ. However whatever love I do have for whatever indeed does come from the Lord. That much we can agree on.



No. 47     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 10:48 PM     
CAsandie wrote:


Why do you think the Lord would give us Commandments we were unable to comply with?



Hi TCG, I don't think you ever answered this question (quoted above) directly. I know your doctrine as you repeat it often, but it does not answer the question posed.

As far as being good, I see good in you. That does not mean perfection, but good. I see the love for animals as good, because the Lord tells us so.

Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, But even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.

I also believe there are those performing righteousness here today upon this earth:

Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

It appears your doctrine is suggesting otherwise.


Yes, we do agree that the good we have is given us by God, but you say we are not capable of doing good ... but yet you do good? (do you see the contradiction in this)?



No. 48     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 12:47 AM     
HE never literally intended for us to follow it WHILE IN THE PHYSICAL BODY. He already knows we cant as is said in the bible.. no man can follow the law of God and man can do nothing. We are to join him in suffering like a good soldier of christ. In this life he intended for us to know good AND EVIL and get lessons from it. Thats why he created us to fall into sin. I know you all think we can with Jesus' help and thats true had it have been his fathers will. but God created us with hearts that couldn't and there is no scripture that says Jesus will make it so while we are still in the body. People just assume such. We are here to learn Good and evil both and the only way to do that is experiencing both. We are in the age of sin and sin we will do until death stops us. When all sinners are put under his feet [through physical death] sin will be no more. And God is the one in charge of when he will end this world. Until then we are what we are. God's will was sending his son to die for us so death has no victory over us after our physical death.

I don't believe Jesus was crucified to change any of us humans while we are still in the body, He was crucified so we were forgiven for sins and reconciled with God so we would be resurrected to life after death. Our salvation was guaranteed when christ was crucified and risen. There is no such thing as man losing salvation.
No. 49     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 7:41 AM     


Worth Repeating ...
No. 50     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 9:16 AM     
I saw this in the other thread but i didnt respond but i will now since you posted it in this forum. You will never be a perfect follower of christ while you have a physical body. You will continue to bend nails (your words in the other thread) constantly until physcial death ends it. Don't you know thats why Christ died for you, me and everyone else??
No. 51     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 11:24 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I saw this in the other thread but i didnt respond but i will now since you posted it in this forum. You will never be a perfect follower of christ while you have a physical body. You will continue to bend nails (your words in the other thread) constantly until physcial death ends it. Don't you know thats why Christ died for you, me and everyone else??



Yep ... still bend a nail ... still miss hitting the nail on the head sometimes too.

BUT ... it's not the " behavior " ... it's the " love " being perfected.

Of course, as we are being perfected in God's love ... the behavior will also be readjusted ... changed ... too.

As you said one time, TCG ... ( in your own words ) ... it is an ...

" Ongoing Process "

Whether you realize it or not ... but I can see how " God's Love " is being perfected in you.

May we give God the Glory !
No. 52     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 11:46 AM     
it is an ongoing process that doesn't end until we die and are resurrected by the Lord incorruptible. ongoing process does not mean it will happen in this life in the physical body. Just wanted to make sure you understood me the way i meant it.
No. 53     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 7:02 PM     
TCG -- You keep stating the same thing over and over (your beliefs) and with this you are not providing a direct answer to the question asked...

'Why' would God give us Commandments to follow 'today' if we were incapable of following them 'today?' Why over and over in scripture do we see the Lord teaching us 'if' we can not learn?

Your beliefs lack logic in this way. Yet, I am fully aware of your beliefs. Your beliefs do not answer 'why?' It's unfathomable. The Lord is incapable of misleading anyone.

No. 54     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 8:06 PM     
MY beliefs or understandings which came from a bible. And i have already answered your question. see replay 48 on page one.
No. 55     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 8:22 PM     
TCG -- I read your answer in 48 and it doesn't truly answer 'why' the God and creator of all would teach us and tell us to do something...that was impossible for us to learn or do.



Anyway back to the topic of this thread:

1 Corinthians 12:26 says that we are one body. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

according to the United States Department of State, Christians in more than 60 countries face persecution from their governments or surrounding neighbors simply because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/


No. 56     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 25, 2017 at 10:07 PM     
I dont know what more of an answer you could possibly want. I will try agian in the simpliest form, here goes. He is only teaching us what must be for salvation according to the will of his father. BUT He is NOT telling us we can accomplish this while in the physical body. Christians just assume we can even though the bible says we can't. It is written no man can follow the law of God. It is also written no man can please God. it is also written man can do nothing. But if you need proof those scriptures are true, just look at the world around around you and tell me what you see. Murder, child abuse, robbery, hate groups, kidnappings, drugs, police corruption, and everything else bad. Is any of it changing for the better? NO its growing worse and worse every yr.

No. 57     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 3:26 PM     
TCG -- I am not going to provide you the 'multitude' of scriptures countering what you have suggested scriptures say (out of context)...but here are a few that you must be ignoring:

Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

Colossians 1:10 so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;

1 Timothy 2:1-3 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,

1 Thessalonians 2:4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.


Tell me, does it please you when your children do good? Would you even ask your children to do a thing they were incapable of doing? Your doctrine fails in logic in this area. We are not told to do the impossible.

Looking at the world proves we live in a fallen world. Not all are participating though. Have you murdered or taken drugs lately?



No. 58     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 3:42 PM     
Your asking do I do drugs or have i ever murdered anyone. Let me ask you would it matter if I did or didnt?? committing the deed is not wehre the problem lies. Its that bad things come to our mind. The mind is ill and needs Jesus to purify it. You do not have to physically kill someone to be guilty of murder in God's eyes. All it has to do is cross your mind or hate someone without literally physically harming them. Its the mind of man that is the problem not the actions of the body such as hands and feet. Its the mind casandie. the human mind is a terrible thing. It is evil.

casandie we are not told to do the impossible, we are simply told what must be for salvation. We are in fact told we cant accomplish it. We can do nothing and thats without Christ. For man it is impossible wihtout God. but here's the kicker, The Lord is not going to do it in our lifetimes which does not mean it wont be done at all. Its the "when" that you and I disagree with. It matters none what verses your post from the bible or how many. None of them are telling us we can accomplish whatever it is thats written in the verse.
No. 59     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 4:41 PM     
TCG -- I don't think you understand the question posed or you avoid answering it and bring in new topics ...

None of which has to do with persecution of Christians, so ending the discussion here as it appears to contain redundant responses by both you and myself at this point.

Enjoy your day!


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No. 60     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 27, 2017 at 7:18 AM     
:goodpost:

I have enjoyed reading this thread and observing a good discussion.
No. 61     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jul 19, 2017 at 12:43 PM     
While I do not encourage testing the Lord, I do believe the Lord works miracles in our lives. A touching story for certain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJUh-Jeqfrg

No. 62     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 8:24 AM     
Nice video but sadly he doesn't do that for everyone. God also makes life not worth living for many people [Im in that category]and never makes things right which is why many have committed suicide and many will continue to do so. For every good story with a happy ending, there is also a story that did not have a happy ending. Its all about if its your time to die or not according to God's will which Jesus is fulfilling. There is a time for all things as said in the bible a time to laugh, a time to cry and a time to die and a time for all else.
No. 63     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 1:07 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Nice video but sadly he doesn't do that for everyone. God also makes life not worth living for many people [Im in that category]and never makes things right which is why many have committed suicide and many will continue to do so. For every good story with a happy ending, there is also a story that did not have a happy ending. Its all about if its your time to die or not according to God's will which Jesus is fulfilling. There is a time for all things as said in the bible a time to laugh, a time to cry and a time to die and a time for all else.


And this is why I object to your religion so much. I feel it contributes to your depression. You blame God for what you ought not to. When humans fail to take responsibility, it misdirects anger and loses touch with reality in which could lead to depression and even suicide (since you blame God and do not feel humans make their own bed that they lay in/free choices/will). Moreover the forgiveness he has given us already that you apply 'universally' to all is the 'focus' of Christians moreso than yourself which is confusing (and we know that the Lord is not an author of confusion). You blame all others here continually for the battles you create. Yet, I do not attack you here (as it might seem to you ... for I know moreover you blame God Himself for everyone's actions (yet you suggest God's Revenge, but feel it falls short of death due to Christ and it makes no logic at all that the Lord would cause us to sin and then seek revenge against us). <-- Your religion paints God as a sadist character instead of the LOVING God He is.

Christians are taught to control our vessel. Emotions and 'feelings' are simply that (not tangible as is life itself).

Look at the birds. Watch them sing. Watch their lack of worry (there is cause that I have my occupation as being a bird watcher here in my profile). This is what God Himself creates (an absence of worry). So we see destruction all around us and we ourselves face hardships...

But never give up 'hope.' Never give up 'faith' in His Goodness. While Universalism is not the truth (due to man's transgressions and failure to repent), it is true that 'no sin' (absent blasphemy) is not forgivable, nor will they take one's life if sincere repentance exists (consider the theft on the cross, yet we know theft is a sin that leads to death ... yet repentance and believe in Christ is all that is needed to live in paradise).

Hope. Suicide evades this Christian Doctrine (hope) and leaves no room for repentance. It is a sin that defies God and takes a life that belongs not to us (all blood belongs to the Lord).

God's story ALWAYS has a happy ending for those He Elects (He chooses). Yet we turn to God and defy oneself/lay down our life/it is born again in Spirit ... not the flesh that you focus upon so readily (we need to give our mind, heart and soul to the Lord and allow Him to guide us/take over where humans fail). This is where you see many of us smiling in despair and believing and knowing the Lord can only do Good.

So we come to understand in elementary knowledge that man creates some things that do serve good purposes and other things that are bad and serves no good purpose and we come to understand that since God created man...so did that bad enter the world as all comes way by the Alpha and Omega Who is God...and so he created intelligence beings (humans) that are capable of doing both bad (disobedience to His Good) and good (following His Way).

Yet God can do only good (He gave us the keys to life and it is up to us to choose good, repent and abstain from sin). Suicide is not good, nor is anything that harms others or ourselves.

I hope you are able to watch some birds singing today.

No. 64     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 2:51 PM     
I have not yet finished reading all you wrote. I stopped here becuase i needed to respond on the cold hearted comment you made below.

since you blame God and do not feel humans make their own bed that they lay in/free choices/will).

Is a baby responsible for being raped and beat? How did they make that bed they lie in casandie.
Is a human responsible for being robbed and shot by strangers
Are we responsible for all the criminals out there that hurt kill or torture people that they dont even know?

In most cases no one makes the bed they lie in.

If strangers broke in your home and beat and shot you would you still claim you made that bed now lay in it while you lay in hospital bed barely clinging onto life. Would you want someone to say to you, you made that bed now lay in it as they turn and walk out of your room.

The rest of what you stated only proves that your theology is fasle. God does horrible things in this world but in God's eyes its done for a good purpose therefore its not evil. All you got to do is read the news everyday and pray that its never you thats in the news or your fmaily member. I think you need to go read the ot adn see what all God does. Shall there be evil in a city and the LOrd hath not done it??



No. 65     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 8:12 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I have not yet finished reading all you wrote. I stopped here becuase i needed to respond on the cold hearted comment you made below.

since you blame God and do not feel humans make their own bed that they lay in/free choices/will).

Is a baby responsible for being raped and beat? How did they make that bed they lie in casandie. Is a human responsible for being robbed and shot by strangers


It is still by human hands -- not the Lord.

Are we responsible for all the criminals out there that hurt kill or torture people that they dont even know?


Society might very well be responsible for the one that goes astray and murders. TCG -- you are talking to a woman who had murder in her family. It was a robbery/likely a drug user.

In most cases no one makes the bed they lie in.


So are you suggesting we are all victims of the god you worship (because my God is Good)?

If strangers broke in your home and beat and shot you would you still claim you made that bed now lay in it while you lay in hospital bed barely clinging onto life. Would you want someone to say to you, you made that bed now lay in it as they turn and walk out of your room.


Would I say this to someone who was victimized by another person? Of course I would not ... would you? I surely would not blame God either.

The rest of what you stated only proves that your theology is fasle. God does horrible things in this world but in God's eyes its done for a good purpose therefore its not evil. All you got to do is read the news everyday and pray that its never you thats in the news or your fmaily member. I think you need to go read the ot adn see what all God does. Shall there be evil in a city and the LOrd hath not done it??


Amos 3 is discusses something 'personal' not in 'general' and you have read it out of context.

1Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

2You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

3Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

4Will a lion roar in the forest, when he hath no prey? will a young lion cry out of his den, if he have taken nothing?

5Can a bird fall in a snare upon the earth, where no gin is for him? shall one take up a snare from the earth, and have taken nothing at all?

6Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

8The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?


I find it contradictory that you suggest Christians push fear moreso than your own religion. I don't think you read this scripture correctly.

Anyway -- off the topic of the thread about Christian persecution (or is it)?

I do wish I could say words to help you not be depressed, tcg, but again I think your religion blocks joy from entering.



No. 66     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 8:31 PM     
Why do you think God doesn't stop evil from happening casandie?
No. 67     Reply: Re: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 11:21 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Why do you think God doesn't stop evil from happening casandie?


Thanks for the question, tcg. There are many answers to Theodicy that the Lord Himself will reveal fully to man soon enough. My answer will be partial today as I see only partial today (as we all do if we are honest).

If I answer your question though -- will you once again try to teach me what I do not ask? I have no question here. This thread is on Christian persecution alone. I will give you my own answer:

King Solomon asked for knowledge and so it was granted him above all. Who shall listen to him?

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

The Lord is the Beginning and the End. He is Holy. That which opposes Him then in not Holy, but evil (that is the creation of evil in which 'yes' exists because it could not except for contesting what the Father Himself says is good. So the Lord names evil and names His adversaries and evil has entered the world just as good did by the Lord's permission of disobedience to Him). If all are in obedience to the Lord -- there evil would not exist.

The inventions that man has sought out has created death for many (just consider coal mines and the death they bring upon in fueling energy and the steam engines of the past). Fossil fuels: they are created from giants of the past (dinosaur bones -- google it if you do not already know this). Yet man in the desire to enlarge their ability to travel seeks more and more oil. Man never seems happy with the "BOUNTY" the Lord Himself has provided to man (this earth is so bountiful for every good purpose the Lord instructs man in abeyance to follow). Man defies and seeks more and more in their short time upon this earth.

Inventions that cause death, weather patterns to shift and all sorts of calamity ... and you ask why the Lord 'allows' or 'permits' such? the answer is given in Scripture:

1 Cor 10:23 “Everything is permissible,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible,” but not everything is edifying. 24No one should seek his own good, but the good of others.

We do not live in a Christian society. Many who are Christian are not (they seek harm and not the good of others, unfortunately and hopefully are still growing and learning as am I).

So you choose not to believe in 'free will,' and perhaps it is a bad term and should be called 'limited free choice,' yet it is 'apparent' since the beginning. The Lord gives us the truth and man defied God (you will die if you eat of the tree of knowledge and man chose death. Is it righteous to blame the Lord simply because He might know man's failings and can read our hearts in advance of the calamity that man chooses)? <--This question again for you. Cain chose to kill Able ... Murder is not good/not of God. Yes, free choices are limited, but created by man (and not God and soon will come to an end), it is by man's society man created for himself defying God (the Lord stated to man that they have a King, but man sought out human leaders who do not follow the Lord and have made their own society ... soon to be destroyed/we do not live in God's Kingdom on this earth as is, but soon the earth will be renewed in God's Will and Purpose and evil eliminated as is God's Will).

The baby that is beaten and left for dead was not harmed by the Lord, but by a man. Men who are not of the Lord.

So you disagree and blame the Lord for such things that He, Himself cannot do and say 'he allows' it. The Lord created 'intelligent' beings that have chosen paths other than their God and God is blameless (just as upon the crucifix, Christ was innocent). So this world has themselves as gods mostly (everyone scrambling for things to improve their lives here upon the earth ... but they will lose their lives). And so it is written.

Job in the Bible was not tempted by God, but God's adversary nor did the Father lay a finger upon Job's head (instead forbid the taking of Job's life and restored Job to what Job had and even more in the end).

So there are limited 'choices' and in these 'much' destruction that is not from the Lord Himself...until He decides to end the mess that man has made of this world as is the Lord's Will, then the destruction of all evil will be made as God's Will endures now and God is patient with man currently. The time comes soon though where the end of all suffering, tears and evil will be. So it is written.

The Lord will stop all evil in its track in His Good Timing. Limited free choices by man is the answer given in Scripture for this temporary situation we live in today. It is on the account of man's choice of evil over God's instruction to man. (all scripture -- not piece milling scripture to match one's own desire to blame the Lord for what man has chosen).


No. 68     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 11:32 AM     
God sends a lot of things not just hurricanes and he does so because we sin and the wages of sin is death and or destruction. However it is God who made us weak so that we would fall into sin. So it all goes back to God....everything that has happened to man...man's falling away, destruction and everything else that goes on under the sun. to be like him man must know both good and evil and thats why God created evil and we are sinners. freewill of man is complete and utter nonsense.
No. 69     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 1:12 PM     
Meh.

Accusing God of evil is utter nonsense. Whether admitting anger at the Lord or not will not amount to resolution and joy in your soul.

Best wished though.



No. 70     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 1:52 PM     
My soul is just fine. It is evil people like you that teach otherwise. Just be thankful the Lord died for your evil sins casandie.

No. 71     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 16, 2017 at 4:18 PM     
Thank you tcg.

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On the OP,

I have provided the numbers on Christian persecution before in other threads, but I think I failed to provide the link...given below (and this is updated figures now with India only being number 15):

https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/

Here North Korea is 1, Somalia is second and Afghanistan third. We find some lists with India ranking 2nd, here it rates 15.

I have to disagree with this world watch list though. There clearly is persecution right here in the US and it is growing when one has to fight to keep a cross up that stood over a Veteran's wall (as has been the case in my area).

In Colleges we face discrimination and even in our own families if not raised in Christian families (I have friends that have told me stories of family persecution that were horrendous).

If anyone has any further offerings on Christian persecution -- please post these. I will eventually make this thread where it is most appropriate (Biblical and theo). I just wanted to offer this here, in hope of compassion for anyone who was not Christian -- towards Christians (I do not deny that I can be rather naive, but as with most Christians...I never give up hope)!

1 Corinthians 12:26 says that we are one body. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

No. 72     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 1:07 AM     
I will eventually make this thread where it is most appropriate (Biblical and theo). I just wanted to offer this here, in hope of compassion for anyone who was not Christian

Bad christians like you and rpm are not victims and are exactly why christian persecution is one the rise. Peolple like you and rpm give the good christians a bad name. Sadly the good and innocent christians are the ones that die. The good christians blood is on your hands.

If you are having trouble understanding my comment I will say it again a different way

There are two kinds of christians. The EVIL christians like you and rpm and then there are the GOOD christians. The EVIL christians give the GOOD christians a bad name resulting in christian persecution. If the evil christans didn't exist, then neither would christian persecution. The good christians blood is on the evil christians hands.
No. 73     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 30, 2017 at 9:14 PM     
TCG -- I haven't even a clue of why you are angry and putting me down (again). I know you are angry at RPM because he refuses to talk about your religion (this is easily seen in threads).

I didn't refuse though. I instead did discuss the Bible with you -- to a point (you offered no scriptures just beliefs you held and told me to wait for you to deliver scriptures).

You appear mad because I didn't desire to engage in the discussion anymore and stated you are teaching without listening (so there is no exchange between us for which a discussion is). All I can say about this follows:

I do not come to a site named "meetchristians" to discuss foreign doctrines at length...

I'm sorry this hurts your feelings to the point where you chose to call names and put down anyone. I'm sad you think that is Godly behavior. My faith is my faith and I stand against mixing Christian Doctrine with foreign religions (as I see you attempt to do). It's idolatry in my belief, so not something I care to be a 'student' for.

Hate me for this and call me evil if you so choose. It will not cause me to want to listen to your religion at any greater level (to the contrary -- there is no love in your posts and the absence of respect and love is something I don't care to be around).

I am my own person. If it's one you despise -- then so be it, but walk in peace (not hate). It is as Christ did. If you decide not to then though...you popped up the perfect thread defining what you are doing though (persecution). As well you talk about fire more than Christians, yet accuse Christians of preaching hell fire. I believe it is all symbolic to include baptism by fire (we [meaning Christians] are not really set on physical fire ... Christians are cleansed/sanctified through Him.

May God bless you.


No. 74     Reply: Re: Christian persecution on the rise   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 8:05 AM     
Accusing God of evil is utter nonsense

spread that info to your friends that teach the Lord will set people on a literal fire forever and ever.

there is no love in your posts and the absence of respect and love is something I don't care to be around).

You just identified yourself.