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No. 0     Original Topic:  I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM   Viewed 3061 times     
why is it that church folks seem to believe that God is only leading them?
No. 1     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 6, 2017 at 1:35 PM     
So you chose to think this, but in reality real Christians know the Lord allows the sun to shine on the good and evil and He can use an ass to accomplish His Will.

It's all between good and evil. The Holy Spirit can not do evil (although you disagree. You think the overall creation of all things means 'acting' and it does not). If I create a chair for ppl to sit in and the chair falls apart, then I did not create the chair for that purpose. With humans you deny free choices made, but you make these same free choices everyday of your life. They are either good or bad. It's all between good and evil.

Christian can and do make wrong choices everyday. It is then when they are not listening to the Spirit, but rebelling or choosing what the flesh desires over the Lord.

Unless one submits his/her life to Christ and sacrifices their own life...they are not following the Lord (it does not mean they can not be used as the Lord decides. It does not mean they are not loved).

It doesn't require a Church to do good, but it does require the Lord guiding us. I've had an atheist friend who I felt more good than most Christians (she just did good), but without 'solid ground' (a lighthouse in the storm) ... ppl will be lost. So Christians seek that all rely on God and not human understandings and ways. That is not the same as what you claim, felt or believe.

I haven't time for a long debate with anyone here on MC (it gets old discussing the same collisions of beliefs, especially when one thinks another is doing 'bad' instead of 'good' or when being 'honest' -- they are either doing evil or being sarcastic. I don't share in the perspective that anyone is here to do any ill will toward anyone else (although we see it at times).

I hope you do though see some of my points provided here, despite the contrary views that you have or challenging here what I have written.

No. 2     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 6, 2017 at 2:22 PM     
I am not aware of any church folks that believe such.

I am aware of many that do not attend church that believe such.
No. 3     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  greendiamond   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  May 6, 2017 at 2:26 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

why is it that church folks seem to believe that God is only leading them?


......seems you've met the 'church people'
......but you're not connecting with the Body of Christ.......

(met 'christians' corrupted by a religious spirit
......who thought this way......no real fellowship with these)

the most devoted/honest
Christians i have met......
are not regulary attending any church.....

the closer they get to God......
the less connection they have
with the organized/programed church.....

.....precious times of fellowship/sharing
.....i've had with these people......
.....just sayin'.......:coffeenpc:

No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  May 6, 2017 at 2:37 PM     
greendiamond wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

why is it that church folks seem to believe that God is only leading them?


......seems you've met the 'church people'
......but you're not connecting with the Body of Christ.......

(met 'christians' corrupted by a religious spirit
......who thought this way......no real fellowship with these)

the most devoted/honest
Christians i have met......
are not regulary attending any church.....

the closer they get to God......
the less connection they have
with the organized/programed church.....

.....precious times of fellowship/sharing
.....i've had with these people......
.....just sayin'.......:coffeenpc:




Profound!

I so agree with thus truth.

Most assemblies are "social gatherings."
They remind me of a...'secret society.'
No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  greendiamond   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  May 6, 2017 at 3:07 PM     
Verbatim wrote:

greendiamond wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

why is it that church folks seem to believe that God is only leading them?


......seems you've met the 'church people'
......but you're not connecting with the Body of Christ.......

(met 'christians' corrupted by a religious spirit
......who thought this way......no real fellowship with these)

the most devoted/honest
Christians i have met......
are not regulary attending any church.....

the closer they get to God......
the less connection they have
with the organized/programed church.....

.....precious times of fellowship/sharing
.....i've had with these people......
.....just sayin'.......:coffeenpc:




Profound!

I so agree with thus truth.

Most assemblies are "social gatherings."
They remind me of a...'secret society.'


.....very kind of you Verbatim.....

yeah.....never figured out
what makes these 'secret societies' work.....
i know it's not spiritual integrity/unconditional love......
it's somethin' else......??????
i really try to be content with my 'fringe' position in these circles......
would prefer to abstain from these gatherings......
but, the Lord has not released me to do so......
.....seems there's stuff i've yet to learn......

(why am i getting the impression God is laughing right now?)
No. 6     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 6, 2017 at 5:21 PM     
The nicest people are those who do not attend church. Those who do regularly attend church literally are programed to believe they are better than those who dont and those who attend churches of different religion. But they should be taught be kind and love all people no matter who they are or what kind of beliefs they have. They are overly judgmental of others. But the worst part of it is the think their dislike for others pleases God. They are doing for God because of the bible. Its sad. No where in a bible are we told to mistreat others.
No. 7     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  greendiamond   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  May 6, 2017 at 6:57 PM     
.....there is nothing unkind/unloving
for a person to counsel/exhort one
to repent of error/sin.....
this is not an unrighteous judgement....
but rather, a kindness.....if one loves God.....
they are faithful to speak truth.....

to withhold correction/warnings
is a cowardly act of unfaithfulness and self preservation.....
choosing to be socially acceptable and approved of men......
rather than risk the accusations of offense
from those who love this world above righteousness.

a true follower of Jesus Christ
will be faithful to discern between light and darkness......
to be unashamed to judge between sin and righteousness.....

though the world scream "Hate!".......
and seek to intimidate, by saying the love of Christ
caters to the understanding of sinful man......

but rather, declare the requirements of God.....
that men repent of sin and strive to enter the strait gate......
the narrow way that leads to eternal life thru Jesus alone.



No. 8     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 6, 2017 at 8:29 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I am not aware of any church folks that believe such.

I am aware of many that do not attend church that believe such.


I agree.

I think some forsake assembly with other Christians due to intimidation or fears of false Churches/teachings and by in large false beliefs ... like is seen in the OP...

So it a cycle where one accuses, fears or holds false beliefs, but they continue to forsake the assembly rather than seeking out like minded Christians (which blesses us immensely in ways they will never learn then).

So very sad to witness. I pray for walls to come down...and the 'joining' in 'Praise' for the Lord is seen for what it is. I also pray for those who fear or see what is not there (there is such blessings in fellowship). If a Church fails short of the Lord's intent...then seek another until found (for certain a treasure hunt that offers much more than one can explain unless experiencing a Church home).

No. 9     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 6, 2017 at 9:15 PM     
you agreed becuase you are a "christian". Here im using that term as one who attends church. They all call themselves christian. If you wasn't a christian, you could see . many of those who dont attend church see christians as judgmental sinners blind to their own sins because its how they act towards others who have a different belief. I mean they act like they are the only ones going to heaven, rest are hellfire bound and they call people satan/devil and things like that. That's not nice and is against God. Its like they will quickly go against God just because they want to down someone and usually turns into a gang attack. Would a true christian do that kind of stuff? the answer is no. But they do it because they are human sinners just like everyone else. But somehow they think to go against God in such a way is the right thing to do to people. And no matter what they do to people they think its A-okay with God and their in good standing with God.
No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 6, 2017 at 9:31 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

you agreed becuase you are a "christian". Here im using that term as one who attends church. They all call themselves christian. If you wasn't a christian, you could see . many of those who dont attend church see christians as judgmental sinners blind to their own sins because its how they act towards others who have a different belief. I mean they act like they are the only ones going to heaven, rest are hellfire bound and they call people satan/devil and things like that. That's not nice and is against God. Its like they will quickly go against God just because they want to down someone and usually turns into a gang attack. Would a true christian do that kind of stuff? the answer is no. But they do it because they are human sinners just like everyone else. But somehow they think to go against God in such a way is the right thing to do to people. And no matter what they do to people they think its A-okay with God and their in good standing with God.


I find it kind of odd that you are the one that comes onto MC and spouts the most vile things about others, accuses others of doing wrong, accuses others of believing wrong, chastises and persecutes others, tells them their Word of God is wrong, tells them they do not understand their God, but yet you are the one not attending church.

I think you have answered your own question.
No. 11     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM     
You missed the entire point.
No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  greendiamond   Gender: F   Age: 63   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:24 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

You missed the entire point.


Hi Texas.......

.....the point is:

ur continuously making broad statements
'bout a people group (christians)
you only have a 'spectator's' relationship with.....

you speculate/assume what backs up your prejudices......

when an intelligent defense of these assumptions is required.....
you throw up a quick wall of dismissal like:

......"You missed the entire point."......
.......(end of conversation).......

you then, walk away from a potentially revealing public encounter.....
wherein, the lies/deceptions of your alleged beliefs/convictions
are being called into the light.....
and all you have in your defense.....
are your broad statements.....ie.....lies/deceptions.

......blind as ever!!!

God has mercifully sent faithful/patient people into your 'discussions'.....
.......to seek to draw you toward His truth......
the latest, of whom, appears to be Survivor.....
it is obvious.....you have not discerned
the value/mercy of this provision......

if you don't humble your proud, foolish person......
you'll exit this season of grace......
wherein, there'll be no patient/faithful provision......
and everything you've 'played', in your spiritual quest....
will suddenly be upon you......larger than your wisdom/power.....
......they're not playin'.....

Note: don't worry 'bout memorizin' these debates....
.......they'll be echoing in your tormented mind......
.......for eternity......
you're so vain!.....you probably think this world is about you!....:coffeenpc:
No. 13     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:05 AM     
greendiamond your thoughts are alwasy welcome. what backs up my belief though is based on reality of what comes out a christians mouth towards others who have a different understanding of God than they themselves do.
No. 14     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:20 AM     
GreenDiamond wrote: ur continuously making broad statements
'bout a people group (christians)
you only have a 'spectator's' relationship with.....

you speculate/assume what backs up your prejudices......

when an intelligent defense of these assumptions is required.....
you throw up a quick wall of dismissal like:

......"You missed the entire point."......
.......(end of conversation).......

you then, walk away from a potentially revealing public encounter.....
wherein, the lies/deceptions of your alleged beliefs/convictions
are being called into the light.....


Clear insight here.

TCG, I like you (I truly do, but your constant persecution of Christians [on a site that was originally designed for Christians] is truly an Elephant in the room here)...however, I also recognize you are not alone as far as the persecution (and I even see Christian again Christian at times).

I think the question you ask in your OP though is as GreenDiamond stated a false assumption (which can be perceived as an accusation) ...

but as she said ...

you will walk away saying 'wrong' or 'you miss the point' rather than taking into consideration...the truth.


No. 15     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:31 AM     
Casandie what if i told you that im doing the same thing christians are. They go around telling people of their faults...what if im doing the same thing and showing the chrisitians their faults. Christians dont like it no more than the people christians go after right? The only difference is I don't threaten the christians like the christians do to others with hellfire and such. Im trying to show them its correct to treat others the way you would want to be treated. If you don't like it and you know showing you your faults is not gonna change you, then you now can see how others feel when its done to them by the christians.
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 10:41 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Casandie what if i told you that im doing the same thing christians are. They go around telling people of their faults...what if im doing the same thing and showing the chrisitians their faults. Christians dont like it no more than the people christians go after right? The only difference is I don't threaten the christians like the christians do to others with hellfire and such. Im trying to show them its correct to treat others the way you would want to be treated. If you don't like it and you know showing you your faults is not gonna change you, then you now can see how others feel when its done to them by the christians.


You come into this site treating others "badly" in general. It is obvious you do what you can to incite challenge and/or strife. When you get it, you then play the "blame game". If you were any better than those you criticize, there would not be an issue with others. It is obvious to me, right or wrong, you get treated as you treat others.
No. 17     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM     
thats not what i do survivor, thats just your opinion. I dont dislike people period christains or otherwise. But if one is mean to me, i will respond in the same manner they did to me which i know is also wrong. Two wrong dont make a right.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 7, 2017 at 3:10 PM     
greendiamond wrote:



the most devoted/honest
Christians i have met......
are not regulary attending any church.....

the closer they get to God......
the less connection they have
with the organized/programed church.....




I would agree with Verbatim...quite profound.

And tcg has no idea of this.
No. 19     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 7, 2017 at 4:55 PM     
storm I do know. It is only your opinion that i dont and you couldnt be more wrong if you tried. I know an athiest that is one of the greatest men I know. He is an amazing person. He dont go church, he claims to be an athiest, and yet has more love for humanity than I have ever seen in a church going person or non church going person. For an athiest, He is unbelievable. God's love is flowing like a river through that boy.
No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 7, 2017 at 8:29 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

storm I do know. It is only your opinion that i dont and you couldnt be more wrong if you tried. I know an athiest that is one of the greatest men I know. He is an amazing person. He dont go church, he claims to be an athiest, and yet has more love for humanity than I have ever seen in a church going person or non church going person. For an athiest, He is unbelievable. God's love is flowing like a river through that boy.


Another good example of how you do not really know the Bible you quote so blithely. God's love does not "flow" from unbelievers, no matter how 'moral' they may seem, for God's Word teaches that they (all unbelievers, including yourself) are enemies of God, both through the line of Adam, and through their own individual sins.

That athiest may do good works, but good works only make you look good to man, not God. God sees the heart, and if that heart is not sold out to Him, then it is worth nothing in His eyes.

No. 21     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 7, 2017 at 9:34 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

thats not what i do survivor, thats just your opinion. I dont dislike people period christains or otherwise. But if one is mean to me, i will respond in the same manner they did to me which i know is also wrong. Two wrong dont make a right.


It's not just Survivor's opinion.

I think you are angry at God (you have heard that from more than just me). I also believe you hate Christianity and are here to entice Christians and then if we stand up for Christianity and our beliefs...you claim we hate you or are being mean to you or we are evil and dislike you (yet you are continually putting down Christianity [our Faith] here on a Christian site).

... I do consider that a desire for strife just as Survivor does (and I believe all the Christians here do). We love and treat you with hospitality regardless though. It's what Christians do.

No. 22     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 8, 2017 at 5:06 PM     
You can think what you want but im not angry at God nor am i trying to cuase strife by my question but you will continually accuse because thats what christians do. one accusation after another.
No. 23     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  ChildOfGod559   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  May 9, 2017 at 2:39 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

why is it that church folks seem to believe that God is only leading them?
Hi TCG, I am going to answer this question the best I can, and the most simple way, I can. Church folks who are serving Jesus Christ and have accepted him as Lord and Savior, believe that God is leading them... because they are being lead by the Very "Power of the Holy Spirit". Which does not come through just any source. I do agree not everyone who professes to be a Christian and goes to a church is sold out to Jesus Christ...Which is why having the Holy Spirit living within you is so important in discernment. I totally agree 100% with Greendiamond when she said to you... A true follower of Jesus Christ will be faithful to discern between light, and darkness. And, to be unashamed to judge between sin and righteousness. So, again I say if you are being lead by "The Holy Spirit of Truth", Jesus Christ, then that would be why a true Christian believes GOD is the one leading them. I truly hope this has helped you some as far as answering your question. I did not come to be sarcastic, or nasty in anyway. And, I hope you can respect that as well. God bless you TCG.
No. 24     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 9, 2017 at 4:30 PM     
what is the differece between lead, wroking his works in us and im in you and you are in me? This is the same for every human whether they are in church, not in church, and even those that claim to be athiest. ITs the same for every human.
No. 25     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

what is the differece between lead, wroking his works in us and im in you and you are in me? This is the same for every human whether they are in church, not in church, and even those that claim to be athiest. ITs the same for every human.


For Atheists:

Matthew 10:32Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father in heaven. 33But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.

For believers in Church or out of Church who fail in the Lord's Will:

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'

The importance of gathering with out believers (which Church is):

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

No. 26     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 9, 2017 at 10:51 PM     
it is completely pointless to throw scriptures at me about what you did. Do you not beleive Christ is leading everyone the same way because he is and if you dont believe it then you dont believe in Christ.
No. 27     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 10, 2017 at 7:55 PM     
I do believe the Lord desires all to be saved, but many men themselves have sought their own way (which is not the Will of the Lord. e.g. Cain).

The real question is though if you deny the Word of the Lord given above. If not, then you must answer it.

No. 28     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 10, 2017 at 10:24 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

I do believe the Lord desires all to be saved, but many men themselves have sought their own way (which is not the Will of the Lord. e.g. Cain).

The real question is though if you deny the Word of the Lord given above. If not, then you must answer it.


if you only believe he desires instead of making it be so then thats not believing in christ. Does not matter what sinners do of their own heart and mind. what we do as sinners matters none. We are already promised salvation through Christ. There are no exceptions. You either believe it or put a question mark on Christ. Everyone wants to believe the scriptures they keep posting are saying some wont be saved for whatever reason but thats not what they are saying. Whatever it is we have to be to have salvation is exactly what we will be because of Christ, no other reason.
No. 29     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM     
TCG -- it has nothing to do with the heart or man's desires. This is what is written (the first two verses are Christ's Gospel spoken by Christ Himself):

Matthew 10:32Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father in heaven. 33But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

You either deny the Word of God or not...as stated that is the real question for you (not me as I accept Christ and His Gospel/Word given us).

It is clear, concise and thorough (not a matter of the heart or man's desires,but the Lord's Word to man).



No. 30     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 11, 2017 at 6:56 PM     
tcg - you like to ask a lot of interesting questions. Let me ask you one...

How will you spend eternity?

Smoking...or non-smoking? :tongue:

No. 31     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 12, 2017 at 2:26 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

TCG -- it has nothing to do with the heart or man's desires. This is what is written (the first two verses are Christ's Gospel spoken by Christ Himself):

Matthew 10:32Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father in heaven. 33But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'

Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

You either deny the Word of God or not...as stated that is the real question for you (not me as I accept Christ and His Gospel/Word given us).

It is clear, concise and thorough (not a matter of the heart or man's desires,but the Lord's Word to man).


ITs what written casandie but you dont understand. Those scriptures apply to all of us and none of us can do what's needed. It is Christ not you, not me, not the man next door but christ that is going to make sure all do or are whats needed. NO man can change himself and you keep forgetting that..Christ is going to make sure all who are not doing right will do right period and it is NOT on mankinds time table. Christ is the only way. When you place the doing upon a sinner you are ignoring christ all the way becuase he is the only one that can do it. Those who dont know or believe that do not believe in christ. You are simply denying christ and making everything about you/man when christ is the only way. When people go around telling ohters if you want to get saved you better this or that or soemthing elese, you yourself are denying christ and his being the only savior or a savior at all. YOu throw JEsus Christ completely out of the pic. If you tell someone they wont be saved beucadse of something they are doing or not doing eitjher way, you yourself just denied christ completely
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By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 12, 2017 at 2:44 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

tcg - you like to ask a lot of interesting questions. Let me ask you one...

How will you spend eternity?

Smoking...or non-smoking? :tongue:


I will spend eternity with the LOrd as a Non smoker but I wont be the reason...christ will but sadly not many especially church goers believe in christ. They unfortuantely only believe in man changing himself. The only belief they have in christ is that he can't save you, you have to save yourself. How foolish of people to think such a thing. Most believe its hard work and you got to strive hard everyday to achieve salvation but the trutyh is salvation is a free gift. church goers think that foolishly beucdase they dont know christ one iota, they just claim to.
No. 33     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 12, 2017 at 5:04 PM     
tcg said:

"I will spend eternity with the LOrd as a Non smoker but I wont be the reason...christ will but sadly not many especially church goers believe in christ. They unfortuantely only believe in man changing himself. The only belief they have in christ is that he can't save you, you have to save yourself. How foolish of people to think such a thing. [Oh, you mean like waiting for physical death, which is ALSO waiting for change - an action or decision? Ho, ho, ho!] Most believe its hard work and you got to strive hard everyday to achieve salvation but the trutyh is salvation is a free gift. church goers think that foolishly beucdase they dont know christ one iota, they just claim to."
No. 34     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM     
You still dont understand. The change i am talking about happens after death. Yes little things can, not necessarily will, but could change about us in this life such as drugs, cig, booze etc. That not the change im talking about. Im talking a 100 percent change as in no longer a sinner. A complete change of our hearts and mind not just one or two things but everything. The changes that go on in this life have nothing to do with salvation. so you quit a thing or two in this life, well so what, your still a sinner sinning daily. You are looking at the wrong kind of change. Im looking at the entire complete change in man, not just one or two things. we are not save right now literally but we are promised salvation right now regardless of what changes we make in this life we have before death. We are promised it today and it will be reality after physical death becuase of the blood of christ not becuase we quit sinning in a one or two ways. We got to get out of these bodies.
No. 35     Reply: Re: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 7:14 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

texascowgirl283 wrote:

storm I do know. It is only your opinion that i dont and you couldnt be more wrong if you tried. I know an athiest that is one of the greatest men I know. He is an amazing person. He dont go church, he claims to be an athiest, and yet has more love for humanity than I have ever seen in a church going person or non church going person. For an athiest, He is unbelievable. God's love is flowing like a river through that boy.


Another good example of how you do not really know the Bible you quote so blithely. God's love does not "flow" from unbelievers, no matter how 'moral' they may seem, for God's Word teaches that they (all unbelievers, including yourself) are enemies of God, both through the line of Adam, and through their own individual sins.

That athiest may do good works, but good works only make you look good to man, not God. God sees the heart, and if that heart is not sold out to Him, then it is worth nothing in His eyes.

Well said. Without a personal relationship with God through Christ... it's not love. it's a clanging bell void of value to God. All the good works of man are like filthy rags. Deny the existence of hell all you want... those who deny a living God are headed there.
No. 36     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 13, 2017 at 11:11 AM     
yes storm we are enemies against God, its only most christians who think they are not. The boy has sins but he also is the most caring person for humans that I have came across in my entire life. Do you and kari understand now.
No. 37     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 13, 2017 at 1:51 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

yes storm we are enemies against God, its only most christians who think they are not. The boy has sins but he also is the most caring person for humans that I have came across in my entire life. Do you and kari understand now.


Kari understands quite well. You say he is a caring great guy who does many many good things. It will sure help him make friends. But you add, he's an atheist.

Good works won't get you to heaven dear. Argue about his great qualities until the cows come home. He, like anyone else who denies God and rejects Christ, will not see heaven.

Do you understand now?
No. 38     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 13, 2017 at 4:03 PM     
yes kari he claims to be an athiest. Amazing what a huge heart he has for all people Huh all while claiming to be an athiest. And it is not me who teaches good works will get anyone into heaven, only the christians teach that.
No. 39     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 13, 2017 at 4:42 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

yes kari he claims to be an athiest. Amazing what a huge heart he has for all people Huh all while claiming to be an athiest. And it is not me who teaches good works will get anyone into heaven, only the christians teach that.


Christians do not teach such in the slightest.

But it is essentially what you share.
No. 40     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 13, 2017 at 4:52 PM     
why do you wnat to lie on me. Everyone here well knows that i speak CHRIST is the only way and usually when i tell them that they get angry. It is others that are teaching man instead of christ.s Run areound telling people they gotta stop being gay, they gotta this and they gotta that when the truth is they dont got to do nothing becuase christ is the only one who can change a man in any kind of way.
No. 41     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 13, 2017 at 8:34 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

tcg - you like to ask a lot of interesting questions. Let me ask you one...

How will you spend eternity?

Smoking...or non-smoking? :tongue:



(Based on the comments...)

Smoking it is!
No. 42     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 13, 2017 at 8:43 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

why do you wnat to lie on me. Everyone here well knows that i speak CHRIST is the only way and usually when i tell them that they get angry. It is others that are teaching man instead of christ.s Run areound telling people they gotta stop being gay, they gotta this and they gotta that when the truth is they dont got to do nothing becuase christ is the only one who can change a man in any kind of way.


The Scriptures have been shared with you as to what is required of Man in His own Words, but yet you deny Him.
No. 43     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 13, 2017 at 9:05 PM     
well man can't do it. so there. YOu got to stop thinking man can change himself and follow those scriptures, instead realize only God can change a man.
No. 44     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 14, 2017 at 5:26 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

well man can't do it. so there. YOu got to stop thinking man can change himself and follow those scriptures, instead realize only God can change a man.


Has not a thing to do with man "changing" himself. It is "you" that keeps tossing that into the picture.

You keep denying what is required.
No. 45     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 14, 2017 at 10:56 AM     
i keep tossing in the pic becuase it is what christians teach non-stop. You gotta do this, you gotta do taht, you gotta stop this and yada yada or hellfire awaits you. They sound like broken records. Thats all the christians know and they of course are incorrect. All are saved not becuase of waht we do or dont do "before time runs out" as the christians say but because of our savior, Jesus. But christians dont seem to understand it. There is no such thing as before time runs out. i mean thats just a humorous comment to make, Christ already did was needed for our salvation but church goers do not comprehend it.
No. 46     Reply: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 14, 2017 at 11:44 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Christ already did was needed for our salvation ...



Yep ... we agree. :2thumbs:

Christ already did what is needed for our salvation.

Now ...

People just have to see their " need " to have salvation in Christ.

No. 47     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 14, 2017 at 8:50 PM     
People dont need to do anything. Christ has done it all.
No. 48     Reply: Re: Re: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 14, 2017 at 9:06 PM     
RadioPreacherMan wrote:

People just have to see their " need " to have salvation in Christ.



Ephasis on ... " to see their need "

No. 49     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM     
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No. 50     Reply: Re: I have a question.. answers without sarcasm Please.   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 27, 2017 at 1:25 PM     
The whole world sees the need except for babies and and those still to be born. so im not focusing on that. I'm long past that.