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No. 0     Original Topic:  Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Apr 23, 2017 at 7:07 AM   Viewed 3110 times     
Still praying ! :group_prayer:
No. 1     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  Apr 23, 2017 at 12:40 PM     
yes...!

I pray that spiritual infidelity may not abound...that you Lord God may intervine- if it be Your Will.

in Jesus name Amen
No. 2     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Apr 23, 2017 at 1:41 PM     
Verbatim wrote:

yes...!

I pray that spiritual infidelity may not abound...that you Lord God may intervene- if it be Your Will.

in Jesus name Amen



And ... Amen !
No. 3     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Apr 27, 2017 at 8:08 PM     
No. 4     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 3, 2017 at 8:38 AM     
Prayers are being answered ... and God is helping us to accept them.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 3, 2017 at 3:42 PM     
It pleases God when we say ... YES ! :thumb_up:
No. 6     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 3, 2017 at 6:49 PM     
God blesses us with His peace ... when we say ... YES !
No. 7     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 4, 2017 at 4:53 AM     
Ahhhh ... the beauty of faith ... saying " YES " to God !
No. 8     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 14, 2017 at 7:05 AM     
Have thine own way, Lord, have thine own way ! :thumb_up:
No. 9     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 15, 2017 at 6:51 AM     
To be a blessing or be blessed !
No. 10     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 15, 2017 at 10:48 AM     
you know whats funny about that? We can say yes all day long and yet cannot please him. Man cannot turn away from sinning. this is why we need Jesus to change us all and he will but not while we have physical bodies. what we utter from our mouth and we do are two different things entirely and what we do cancels out what we utter. we can honor him with our lips but the truth is our hearts are from him. In our physical bodies we can never be what we need to be and can never please God no matter how much we want to and no matter how much we try to. This is what most people do not comprehend.
No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 18, 2017 at 6:42 AM     
RadioPreacherMan wrote:

Ahhhh ... the beauty of faith ... saying " YES " to God !



God is taking care of everything ... so listen to Him. :bowdown:
No. 12     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 18, 2017 at 2:42 PM     
Yes God is taking care of everything. Now all we gotta do is believe it.
No. 13     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 18, 2017 at 3:01 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Yes God is taking care of everything. Now all we gotta do is believe it.



There you go TCG ... WE are on the same page here on this one ! :spot1:

To BELIEVE it ... YES !

To NOT BELIEVE it ... NO !

It does involve ... saying ... YES or NO ... BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE.

Always good when we can " line up " with God and each other on some things.

Time for a Happy Dance ! :dance:

No. 14     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 18, 2017 at 3:06 PM     
outside of me who believes it? Just cause some say it dont mean they do. You see rpm, those who claim some wont make it to heaven.....those are not believers.
No. 15     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 18, 2017 at 3:16 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

outside of me who believes it? Just cause some say it dont mean they do. You see rpm, those who claim some wont make it to heaven.....those are not believers.



TCG ... if it's okay with you ... let's just ENJOY the fact that we both agree ... God Will Take Care of Everything ... and may I add ( this is where we will probably differ ) ... as Christians.

Christians are those who have Christ living in them ... and during THIS LIFE here on earth ... God Will Take Care of Everything ... along with leading us Christians ... to our forever ... heavenly home !

Again ...

We do agree on the fact that ... God Will Take Care of Everything ...

Where we will differ again is ... God Will Take Care of Everything ...
including those who have said " NO " to having Jesus Christ in their life.

Like you said ... Believe ( YES ) ... or ... Don't Believe ( NO ).
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 18, 2017 at 3:27 PM     

Those who believe and follow Christ heed HIM as the WORD given us and do not speak from their own understanding...

[color=red]Christ stated:

Matthew 25:45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ 46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

It is not just Christians (those who believe and repeat the Word/share the Gospel of Christ), but Christ Himself Who has said this...now who believes?

Let us all believe what the Lord states Himself and escape the snares of the devil!!! Amen!

No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 19, 2017 at 6:28 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

Matthew 25 ...

45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.



Worth Repeating ? YES !
No. 18     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  May 20, 2017 at 9:47 AM     
except with study you would know the word is not eternal. There is no such thing as eternal punishment from God. eternal is error in the bible.
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 20, 2017 at 9:57 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

except with study you would know the word is not eternal.

There is no such thing as eternal punishment from God.

eternal is error in the bible.



Just curious ... if you are saying " eternal " is error in the Bible ... then what are you basing your study on ... if not the Bible ? Do you know of scripture backing what you are saying ? ( if you wish to answer )

No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 20, 2017 at 10:09 AM     
RadioPreacherMan wrote:

CAsandie wrote:

Matthew 25 ...

45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.



Worth Repeating ? YES !


And I say YES too RPM...!!!

For certain God is the Alpha and Omega (beginning and end). He is everlasting (eternal or forever) and Almighty (capable of all things). He has made His Word living! He has ultimate control over man and His Gospel rings true in the hearts of His! The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom!!

Psalm 111:9 He has sent redemption to His people; He has ordained His covenant forever; Holy and awesome is His name. 10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments; His praise endures forever.

Proverbs 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. 9Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. 11For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased. 12If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.


No. 21     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 21, 2017 at 4:40 AM     
:group_prayer:
No. 22     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 21, 2017 at 6:09 AM     
John 3: 3 ...

Jesus answered,

" I tell you the truth, unless one is born again, he cannot be in God's Kingdom. "
No. 23     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 21, 2017 at 7:26 AM     
2 Peter 2: 4 ...

When angels sinned, God did not let them go free without punishment. He sent them to hell and put them in caves of darkness where they are being held for judgement.
No. 24     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 21, 2017 at 7:30 AM     
2 Peter 2: 9 ...

So you see, the Lord knows how to rescue godly people from their trials, even while punishing the wicked right up until the day of judgement.

No. 25     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 21, 2017 at 7:33 AM     
Yes ... this is God's Word ... one more verse ...

2 Peter 2: 17 ...

These people are as useless as dried up springs of water or as clouds blown away by the wind - promising much and delivering nothing. THEY ARE DOOMED TO BLACKEST DARKNESS.
No. 26     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 21, 2017 at 9:14 AM     

Great scriptures and a great question here, RPM!

RPM wrote: Just curious ... if you are saying " eternal " is error in the Bible ... then what are you basing your study on ... if not the Bible ? Do you know of scripture backing what you are saying ? ( if you wish to answer )


It makes no sense to me that anyone can claim to believe the Lord is in control of man, however -- the Lord cannot control a book ensuring His Gospel and message be delivered upon the Nations of this world?

After all, the Lord states that the end will not come until His Gospel has reached all.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Mark 13:9 On My account, you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all the nations.

Yes, we are told in the Bible to contend for the Gospel and to go forth teaching and making disciples...so we know the Will of the Lord is that all shall learn His Gospel. It is only after this that the Book of Life and the Book of Judgement shall proceed forward. The book of Judgment for those names not written in the Book of life must be a frightening matter (to those who have wisdom that is).

We see here it is written:

Revelation 20:12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds

RPM if we do not make choices then how shall man be judged by his deeds. It is for certain the Book of Life would be desired over judgement...

The keys are given us in scripture for those with understanding.

Yes indeed! (a double positive), a great question and my belief in the Lord "Almighty" is His "continued" message being delivered to us and how I praise Him for His Gospel that is Perfect, as is He!!

Thank you Lord! Thank you Lord!

No. 27     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  May 21, 2017 at 5:43 PM     
Well presented CAsandie ... :goodpost:
No. 28     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 5:25 AM     
YES ... it's all God needs to hear.
No. 29     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 5:50 AM     
eternal is an error. There is no such thing as eternal punishment and everytime people do what casandie just did, post revelation verses I just laugh because people do not understand them. I have posted about eternal being an error for yrs. Im sure you can find a thread on it of mine rpm.

Every human has already been judged and that judgemnt is physical death for every human. No one is going to escape that judgment he has already given all mankind. the wages of sin is death. Yes there is another judgemnt after our death...The judgment of salvation where becuase of the blood of christ, all shall hear his voice and rise from their grave changed and have salvation. Death has no victory over man ok rpm.
No. 30     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 6:04 AM     
Hello TCG ...

Yes ... we simply disagree.

Luke 16: 19-31 ... comes to my mind.

Maybe you do not believe the truth God shared with us about " The Rich Man and Lazarus " ... but that's up to you.

In the meantime ... we are where we are. :exactly:



No. 31     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 6:12 AM     
the rich man and lazarus is not literal, its overflowing with metaphors from start to finish. I did a long thread on the rich man and lazarus, you should really look it up.
No. 32     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 6:39 AM     
Again ... we are where we are ...

And ... yes ... we are both okay with that ... for now. :2thumbs:
No. 33     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 2:33 PM     
Do not worry, the Lord is gonna bring you to the knowledge of the truth just like he will for everyone and until then there will alwasy be much disagreement among mankind.
No. 34     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 6:44 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

Do not worry, the Lord is gonna bring you to the knowledge of the truth just like he will for everyone and until then there will alwasy be much disagreement among mankind.



Well ... some will focus on the disagreements ... but I prefer to appreciate " where we do agree. "

No. 35     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 7:10 PM     
what we agree on is practically nowhere lol. And you know why that is? Its because you say something good and right but then you add something to it that turns a true statement into something untrue. But its ok one day the Lord will bring us all to the knowledge of the truth.
No. 36     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 10, 2017 at 7:43 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

what we agree on is practically nowhere lol.



Ahhhhhh ... we probably agree on more than what we may want to admit.

Let's start with this one ...

" Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior " ... agree ? Yes ?

Maybe we can come up with some others ones too. :thumb_up:

:popcorn:

No. 37     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 10, 2017 at 8:09 PM     
Yes because you didnt add anything to it here. It was short sweet and to the point. Where we disagree is when you apply "if's" to it. But as u wrote it here yes we agree
No. 38     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 10, 2017 at 8:29 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

It was short sweet and to the point.

as u wrote it here yes we agree



:high5: We agree ! YES ! :thumb_up:

If you like ( keeping it short n' sweet and to the point ) ... maybe you would like to share a " truth " ... where we can both agree ... again.

:coffeenpc:





No. 39     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 17, 2017 at 8:53 PM     
:popcorn:
No. 40     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 6:26 AM     
RPM if we do not make choices then how shall man be judged by his deeds. It is for certain the Book of Life would be desired over judgement...

The keys are given us in scripture for those with understanding.


It's not really your done deeds casandie, its our hearts. He already judged the heart of man and his judgment was all mankind must die a physical death because The heart of mankind is evil. We are all related and evil cannot give birth to good. So you have already been judged. The book of life is Christ. The second judgment after the the body dies is where The crucifixion of Christ comes into play and is the only reason the soul will live on without the body. The soul living on has zero to do with our deeds in the body. at death the body is gone. The soul living on is becuase of the crucifion of Christ.
No. 41     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 12:20 PM     
:coffeenpc:
No. 42     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 3:00 PM     
what does your icon mean? Are you simply waiting for someone to respond or are you trying to say something without using words.
No. 43     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 4:07 PM     
The words of the Lord:

Matthew 12:35 The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure. 36But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

(Fearful stuff, imo)!

From the heart comes forth an abundance of words (I agree our hearts are read by the Lord [more importantly that which is hidden from man to know: motives...because man can not judge man righteously if seeking harm since God's judgement is Just and He is Love 'but' life has not ended 'yet' and grace given at the cross 'for prior wrongs already judged.' INSTEAD Life has just 'began' with the crucifixion of Christ whom some Christians (those who follow) also choose to be crucified with.

How do we know this is to come:

From Scripture:

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and will come out – the ones who have done what is good to the resurrection resulting in life, and the ones who have done what is evil to the resurrection resulting in condemnation.


RPM -- you take a lot of coffee breaks, don't you? (so do I, Brother...it just might not be as outwardly noticeable as you present in thread)!



No. 44     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 6:45 PM     
the problem casandie is none are good. I know you think the verses you post are telling us some are good but its not. The list of good will be nonexistant. Our words are evil, our thoughts are evil and so are our actions. There is none that do good. Even Jesus didnt want to be called good. As Jesus himself said, there is only ONE good, God the father and no one else. not a human one can label themself as "good". We are sinners and sin does not qualify as "good" by any means.
No. 45     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 10:53 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

the problem casandie is none are good. I know you think the verses you post are telling us some are good but its not. The list of good will be nonexistant. Our words are evil, our thoughts are evil and so are our actions. There is none that do good. Even Jesus didnt want to be called good. As Jesus himself said, there is only ONE good, God the father and no one else. not a human one can label themself as "good". We are sinners and sin does not qualify as "good" by any means.


Let's examine the Scripture you reference along with Christ's words and scriptures. We know Christ was blameless from Scripture and the fullness of the Deity existed in Him:

Colossians 2:9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.

Deity meaning God or Divine status, so does this contradict what Christ 'asked' and stated? Of course not. What about Christ calling himself a 'good' Shepherd? (John 10:11)? What about what God stated of his Son Job, ""Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil." (Job 1:8 ).

Are we seeing any contradictions? What of Christ stating in Matthew 12:35: The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure.

There is no contradiction when the scripture you reference is examined. Here is the scripture: Mark 10:18“Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied, “No one is good except God alone.

Has Christ 'truly' stated He is not good here or did Christ pose a question? I see a question mark and question. Christ does not state as you did above that is 'he is not good.' He stated no one but God alone and we know the Father and the Son are One. In Mark (or Luke which provides the same parable), we see Christ explaining what to the young wealthy man who believes he was following the Commandments of God? What is the Lord 'truly' explaining to the man here? ...

Mark 10:19 You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, do not defraud, and honor your father and mother.'"

It is the Old Covenant, but here Christ explains to the young wealthy man the New Covenant: Give away all your possessions. Why is the young man directed to do so? For this reason (going a little farther in Mark):

Mark 12:30and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

The Lord was teaching the New Covenant and what 'love' is and service and surrendering to the Lord. He was teaching the young man to be 'good.' To love God above this world and the things of this world.

This is the meaning behind the parable (Christ was/is Perfect).

No. 46     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 7:12 AM     
Casandie, that verse we are one does not mean Jesus is God the father. Jesus is not God the father. Also Jesus was no way like the rest of us becuase his father would not let him sin. He didnt even have a human father because he was born of a woman by God for a special purpose and he still didnt want to be called good becuaes that would make him equal to God and as he said his father is greater than him. So ya he asked why do you call me good because he didnt want to be called good. As a man he would never put himself equal to or above his father. As far as his teachings go, No human can follow the law of God. Jesus is simply teaching man who his father is but knowing doesn't change man and make tjhem good. They have to follow not just listen to Jesus talk. no man can follow the law of God but if they could this world wouldn't be in the mess its in.
No. 47     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 10:47 AM     
TCG -- so you are stating Christ is not a man that He should lie?

From your last post, do we believe this in common then:

Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).



I think your last post opened a new discussion over that of whether man's unity with Christ and ability to imitate His Way and do good as Christ commands of us.



No. 48     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 11:05 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

TCG -- so you are stating Christ is not a man that He should lie?



NO, its God the father that is not a man that he should lie. It is you that claims Jesus is God the father knowing God the father is not a man.

God the father is not a man
Jesus the son whom the father works his works through is a man, but God the father himself is not a man

Jesus is only referred to as God becuase God is doing his works through Jesus, a man who does not have a human father by the way and he is not literally God the fahter.
No. 49     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 1:57 PM     
TCG -- I did not say Christ is the Father though, I have asked if you agree with me that Christ is not a man, that He should lie.

In evaluating whether Christ is a 'good' shepherd (as Christ Himself has stated), we must evaluate that Christ could only do the Will of the Father.

As stated, a whole new discussion, but the Trinity Doctrine does not suggest the Son is the Father at all (that is what I believe to be a heresy called modalism (which I do not believe in). That Doctrine suggests God is playing roles or acting in modes but not three separate entities. Trinity is three different entities or persons (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) all identified by man as our God (as One).

With the scripture reference I provided -- I had hoped you might look up. Here it is:

Numbers 23:19 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Back to the topic we were discussing: Man is perfected in Christ and has a change of heart through Christ (not ourselves).


No. 50     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 2:02 PM     
TCG -- Also, I might predict your answer will be that 'and this will only occur after we die and are raised incorruptible,' but I do hope you might go over the scriptural thought given here again with an open mind to what is different than your own beliefs.

Beyond this it was a good discussion. Thanks.

No. 51     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 2:33 PM     
I do not understand what your question is. I know tjhat scripture you posted well and have no problem with it. I have never said jesus nor his father has ever lied. what is it you want to know. If your asking me if we are gonna be like Jesus in this life in this body, the answer is no with a capital N. We are told when in the bible. Our hearts are going to be purified when he raises us from the grave not in this life we live today. Look around, the whole world is a mess and growing worse and worse everyday that passes. So Do I beleive he is gonna purify the heart of every man....yes i do. I think mine and your disagreemnt is "when".
No. 52     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 3:02 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I do not understand what your question is. I know tjhat scripture you posted well and have no problem with it. what is it you want to know. If your asking me if we are gonna be like Jesus in this life in this body, the answer is no with a capital N.


I posted only scripture for your consideration of Christ not being a man that He should lie (Numbers 23:19).

As far as your belief written: have you considered this scripture (other than the answer you provide so often that it will not happen until we die and are made incorruptible):

Ephesians 5:1 Be imitators of God, therefore, as beloved children, 2and walk in love, just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant sacrificial offering to God.

This epistle is written to the early Christian Churches.

Again, thanks for the discussion regardless of disagreements. I hope you might consider some of the scriptural reference I have provided here for edification (as do I).



No. 53     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 3:20 PM     
It would be cool if we could immitate God but we are human sinners and cannot in our physical bodies. that verse is not telling us man can do it. God knows we cant while in the body. One day we will though when we are resurrected with a purified heart by the Lord.
No. 54     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 6:17 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I think mine and your disagreemnt is "when".



Yes !

It's on the " when."
No. 56     Reply: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 8:45 AM     
Back to the topic we were discussing: Man is perfected in Christ and has a change of heart through Christ (not ourselves).


Thats right but not in this life while in the body will we ever be fit for the kingdom of God. Our becoming perfect followers of Christ will not and can not happen in this life. We have to die first and be resurrected incorruptible by the Lord. Thats when it will be. It is the "when" that you and I disagree on. We must die a physical death first. It was never God's will that we be changed in this life. He judged us before we were ever born? why is beucase man is evil and evil cannot give birth to good. So we all have to die. But he sent Jesus to die for us so after our death we would be resurrected incorruptible and have salvation. He does save us all and it is not because of our deeds in the body but because of Christ being crucified for us.
No. 57     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 7:06 AM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

It is the "when" that you and I disagree on.



Yes ...

It is the WHEN ... and we both agree ... on where we disagree.

You keep going back to ... " being a perfect follower. "

I am referring to ... " being perfected in God's love. "

But ... we can leave it with God ... for now. :Hole:





No. 58     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jul 6, 2017 at 6:37 AM     
:pray:
No. 59     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jul 19, 2017 at 7:01 AM     
RadioPreacherMan wrote:

Yes ...

It is the WHEN ... and we both agree ... on where we disagree.

You keep going back to ... " being a perfect follower. "

I am referring to ... " being perfected in God's love. "

But ... we can leave it with God ... for now. :Hole:



Worth Repeating ...

No. 60     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes ...   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 51   on  Jul 21, 2017 at 10:18 PM     
I am referring to ... " being perfected in God's love. "


Except you don't believe that becuase if you did you would know all will be saved. So your mouth and your heart are in disagreement. It goes back to honor him with your lips but your hearts are far from him. Have a nice night rpm.




No. 61     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jul 22, 2017 at 4:22 PM     
Yes ... still praying.

:group_prayer:
No. 62     Reply: Re: Yes ...   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Jul 23, 2017 at 5:44 PM     
Amen.