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No. 0     Original Topic: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM   Viewed 3168 times     
I didn't drink coffee until a few years ago (a friend at work kept gifting me during fiscal year end -- when the hours are long for government employees that work in budget or budget related jobs to include legal). I was taught how to tamper down the bitter taste and I find the gourmet flavors of coffee pleasant now.

I've read reports both ways (coffee cleanses the system/coffee is bad on our heart as an organ and causes weight gain)...

What do you think? Do you drink coffee? Do you think it's bad for our health? I haven't become addicted, but do believe some might form an addiction to the caffeine?



No. 1     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 12:38 PM     
I rarely drink coffee. When I do, it is typically in a social setting and it was the only thing offered and/or was purchased for me without asking first.

I also believe the health cons of the stuff, well more than outweigh any health pros.

To not drink coffee is easy for me, for I cannot stand the smell or the taste. Coffee breath on another is akin to alcohol or cigarette breath. All three about "gag" me.
No. 2     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  greendiamond   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 12:43 PM     
.......yeah......
.......coffee's very good ...... (for you?)
.......saves a ton on groceries.......
........who needs food when you gotta travel mug of joe?".........

.......be nice if 'they' created a coffee
.......loaded with vitamins...........:coffeenpc:
No. 3     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Caroline723   Gender: F   Age: 59   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 1:41 PM     
Coffee is wonderful! Yeah, it's acidic so it's not good for people with GI issues, but I don't have that problem so I can have coffee and DO. Every morning I fix enough to have two large mugs before noon and I use a caramel flavored, sugar free protein drink as creamer. It can raise your blood pressure and pulse a little bit but just transiently so not an issue. Coffee is actually good for diabetics, which I am not. Well, I was but am no longer. I just love my coffee in the morning.

Oh, I have a friend who is a coffee gourmet and an engineer/inventor. He makes coffee according to science, only buy the best coffee beans and measures to the the mg. He brews it in his special invention that gets the best flavor and strength.

Man, oh man - that is the best coffee I've ever tasted in my life - INCLUDING coffee made by actual coffee growers in the Caribbean and Latin America. The man is the coffee Wizard - I kid you not!

His coffee is so good I drink it after dinner at their house even though it's late and I know it's gonna keep me up half the night. It's well worth it!

I need to stop by and see about them soon. I bet he'll conjure me up a cup.

:coffeenpc:
No. 4     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM     
No coffee for me. I use to drink it. But lost my interest. It still smells amazing though. Caffeine addiction can happen more with soft drinks than coffee. Especial some of the ones like MT Dew which has a huge amount of caffeine in it.

Star Bucks is too strong....... when I drank coffee... that would always give me a stomach ache. For a hot drink on a cold day... my choice is hot chocolate.

No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Caroline723   Gender: F   Age: 59   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 2:33 PM     
Kari wrote:

No coffee for me. I use to drink it. But lost my interest. It still smells amazing though. Caffeine addiction can happen more with soft drinks than coffee. Especial some of the ones like MT Dew which has a huge amount of caffeine in it.

Star Bucks is too strong....... when I drank coffee... that would always give me a stomach ache. For a hot drink on a cold day... my choice is hot chocolate.



My Dad used to say I had an iron stomach. I could eat fire.
No. 6     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 2:43 PM     
Caroline723 wrote:

Kari wrote:

No coffee for me. I use to drink it. But lost my interest. It still smells amazing though. Caffeine addiction can happen more with soft drinks than coffee. Especial some of the ones like MT Dew which has a huge amount of caffeine in it.

Star Bucks is too strong....... when I drank coffee... that would always give me a stomach ache. For a hot drink on a cold day... my choice is hot chocolate.



My Dad used to say I had an iron stomach. I could eat fire.


fire would disagree with me. LOL
No. 7     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 72   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 9:04 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

I didn't drink coffee until a few years ago (a friend at work kept gifting me during fiscal year end -- when the hours are long for government employees that work in budget or budget related jobs to include legal). I was taught how to tamper down the bitter taste and I find the gourmet flavors of coffee pleasant now.

I've read reports both ways (coffee cleanses the system/coffee is bad on our heart as an organ and causes weight gain)...

What do you think? Do you drink coffee? Do you think it's bad for our health? I haven't become addicted, but do believe some might form an addiction to the caffeine?


I drink coffee mixed with a cup of hot milk and sugar-free pellets (or date syrup) once or twice in the morning. I may drink tea instead coffee once in a day.

Anything in moderation is good! Even poison is good when taken in very minute quantity whereas water is dangerous if excessive!
No. 8     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM     
I like hot chocolate. But since I sold all my Kurigs, I rarely have one. I like tea, but typically only enjoy it at Sunday dinner and throughout the summer.
No. 9     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 1:15 AM     
Thanks all for your thoughts.

I found this article with the suggested benefits and risks on MDWeb...

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/coffee-new-health-food#1

Survivor -- I so agree about coffee breath (it's as bad as smoker's breath) and the acidity causes tooth enamel erosion. It's recommended to be drank with a straw. I also read somewhere once that whole milk will negate the yellowing affect on teeth by the milk fats adhering to the polyphenols in coffee (but I'd have to research it more). I've followed this and have had no teeth yellowing though.

What about iced tea in the Summer?

Green Diamond -- the heat might lessen the vitamins if put in coffee, but it is a great idea in iced coffee. Shall we open business...we can call it Diamond Coffee .

For certain from my own experience, I find coffee does have a expectorant quality (cleans the lungs/air passages)...which can be a benefit as well as the polyphenols.

I'm just not sure on it's overall risks though for those who consume coffee in greater quantities (to be sure, since coffee is a diuretic ... I'd suggest health concerns if over consuming).

Devaprakash --

Please explain this...(thanks)...

Devaprakash wrote: Even poison is good when taken in very minute quantity


No. 10     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 72   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 5:30 AM     
CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash wrote: Even poison is good when taken in very minute quantity



Some homeopathic drugs are derived from snake's poison!
No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 72   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 11:17 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash wrote: Even poison is good when taken in very minute quantity



Some homeopathic drugs are derived from snake's poison!


One more thing: anti-venom dose is made from venom!

No. 12     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Gary208   Gender: M   Age: 69   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 11:57 AM     
Something like 85% of the US is addicted to coffee.
Coffee is a drug and falls at the low end of the Speed Spectrum of drugs.

Personally, I would like to see it taxed and controlled like cigarettes. Not allowed in public buildings, etc.
I think all the coffee urns lining entryways, especially in hospitals, need to be banned completely as the first step. The stench can gag a maggot!



No. 13     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 12:41 PM     
Coffee is like coke and other things we put in our bodies. Coffee stains the teeth little by little over time. My mom was a serious coffee drinker and her teeth turned black and she had to get them all pulled due to upcoming heart surgery. She was a smoker too but coffee had its part in it to but she never had a cavity or complained of a toothache, just black teeth. If you read online coffee can cause problems as with just about anything put in the body. Myself I have never drank coffee. While coffee drinkers love the smell, I dont. Caffeine is a drug and too much of it is not a good thing. Young women who drink it can cause a 27 percent reduced chance of conceiving and coffee can even cause a slightly higher chance for miscarriage and alot of other problems. What seems harmless may not be harmless over time.
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM     

Gary208 wrote:

Something like 85% of the US is addicted to coffee.
Coffee is a drug and falls at the low end of the Speed Spectrum of drugs.

Personally, I would like to see it taxed and controlled like cigarettes. Not allowed in public buildings, etc.
I think all the coffee urns lining entryways, especially in hospitals, need to be banned completely as the first step. The stench can gag a maggot!


I have family members that can't stand the smell of coffee either!
No. 15     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 23, 2017 at 2:32 PM     
TCG -- thanks for sharing your beliefs here. You put a scare in me as well as some of the research I am now conducting.

Devaprakash -- You are correct about snake venom!

Scorpion poison in Cuba is given in small does to fight cancer (it is believed to cure cancer and the poison is less harmful that chemotherapy given in the US). I researched it a decade ago rather extensively and I was going to try to get my Mother into the country. We found a better alternative (Proton therapy/no chemo). Still cancer free today.

The Scorpion venom is now mass marketed for cures of other ailments.

On Coffee, caffeine is toxic itself thinking about it (in high doses). One article I read online says that one cup a day will ruin your health...

Just one daily single cup of coffee, or an energy drink, can ruin your health. Just one. Be clear about this… just one cup of coffee, or one energy drink, a day will ruin your health over time.


http://www.youngagain.org/c27.html

With all that is published (good and bad), I have been considering reducing my consumption if not eliminating coffee from my diet completely.

I have though a whole gourmet regime now (half of one of my kitchen counters is a gourmet coffee bistro of it's own ... I'm fairly sure that a couple ppl in my life just stop by for the coffee)! I have made an art form of making hearts and cats in frappe. I mix my own flavors with sugar free syrups, I have 3 different froth preparations and I just purchased protein frappe' that requires no blending when adding it to coffee (I might need intervention)!!!!

:coffeenpc:
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 25, 2017 at 11:43 PM     
Gary208 wrote:

Something like 85% of the US is addicted to coffee.
Coffee is a drug and falls at the low end of the Speed Spectrum of drugs.

Personally, I would like to see it taxed and controlled like cigarettes. Not allowed in public buildings, etc.
I think all the coffee urns lining entryways, especially in hospitals, need to be banned completely as the first step. The stench can gag a maggot!





Coffee was next on the list for the Feds to go after back in the days of prohibition. But the Feds failed so miserably with prohibiting alcohol and cigarettes, they decided to back off on coffee with supposedly many more addicted to it than other "vices".
No. 17     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 25, 2017 at 11:51 PM     
If good for nothing else, coffee supposedly makes for an excellent facial scrub.

Coffee scrub supposedly provides the following benefits as a facial scrub:

CELLULITE DESTROYER: Caffeine is a natural agent against cellulite. It battles it away leaving smoother, firmer skin.

ANTIOXIDANT EXFOLIATION: Coffee provides antioxidants which work as a natural exfoliant to reveal healthy, smooth skin.

REDUCES SIGNS OF AGING: Coffee facial scrub reduces the appearance of wrinkles, fine lines and dark spots.

You might look good, not sure about smelling good.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Peter4   Gender: M   Age: 43   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 1:30 AM     
From all I read about it, coffee in moderation is good for your body and health. The purer the coffee and bean, the better.

From WebMD:

The potential health benefits associated with drinking coffee include: protecting against type 2 diabetes, Parkinson's disease, liver disease, liver cancer, and promoting a healthy heart.
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 2:12 AM     
Peter4 wrote:

From all I read about it, coffee in moderation is good for your body and health. The purer the coffee and bean, the better.

From WebMD:

The potential health benefits associated with drinking coffee include: protecting against type 2 diabetes, Parkinson's disease, liver disease, liver cancer, and promoting a healthy heart.


One of the best variety of coffees is grown in our state, Karnataka, India. :twocents:
No. 20     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  PlowMan   Gender: M   Age: 62   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 2:48 AM     
Everything in moderation.

I doubt that a cup a day would harm most people but I know beyond a doubt that too much can cause serious health issues.

I used to work remote camps in the oilfield. Often the water was unfit to drink or use for cooking until it was boiled, and even then it had an unpleasant taste, so.

We drank a lot of coffee. Now I have some rather unpleasant health issues my doctor says are caused by drinking too much coffee.
I switched to decaffeinated and that helps but I still have stomach problems if I drink more then two cups a day.

Of course I don't blame coffee by itself. But it certainly contributed.
The longer I go without coffee the better I feel.
No. 21     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 8:35 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Peter4 wrote:

From all I read about it, coffee in moderation is good for your body and health. The purer the coffee and bean, the better.

From WebMD:

The potential health benefits associated with drinking coffee include: protecting against type 2 diabetes, Parkinson's disease, liver disease, liver cancer, and promoting a healthy heart.


One of the best variety of coffees is grown in our state, Karnataka, India. :twocents:


Supposedly the best coffees in the world are made from animal "dung". It most all tastes and smells as if it is to me.

Except for a couple. On the few occasions I have opted to oblige a cup of coffee, I have found either McDonalds or Starbucks best. Been a while, but when in Hawaii they too had a great coffee, that at the moment the source of the beans and brand name escapes me. Will maybe recall it later.
No. 22     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 8:46 AM     
CAsandie wrote:
Survivor -- and the acidity causes tooth enamel erosion. It's recommended to be drank with a straw.


Now I have been told and read the opposite. Drinking with a straw leads to more tooth decay and erosion no matter what is being consumed. Supposedly, most people are more apt to draw fluids through their teeth with more pressure when drinking with a straw, than if they simply poured fluid over their teeth and swallow as they would be more likely to do with a cup or glass. In fact, dentists now days recommend not allowing your children to initiate a habit of using a straw.

I most never use a straw except for enjoying a beverage while driving.
No. 23     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Peter4 wrote:

From all I read about it, coffee in moderation is good for your body and health. The purer the coffee and bean, the better.

From WebMD:

The potential health benefits associated with drinking coffee include: protecting against type 2 diabetes, Parkinson's disease, liver disease, liver cancer, and promoting a healthy heart.


One of the best variety of coffees is grown in our state, Karnataka, India. :twocents:


Supposedly the best coffees in the world are made from animal "dung". It most all tastes and smells as if it is to me.

Except for a couple. On the few occasions I have opted to oblige a cup of coffee, I have found either McDonalds or Starbucks best. Been a while, but when in Hawaii they too had a great coffee, that at the moment the source of the beans and brand name escapes me. Will maybe recall it later.


I said grown, not what is sent to gullible foreigners :tongue:
No. 24     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 9:04 AM     
PlowMan wrote:

Everything in moderation.



That is my point too!:thumb_up:
No. 25     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  PlowMan   Gender: M   Age: 62   on  Mar 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

PlowMan wrote:

Everything in moderation.



That is my point too!:thumb_up:


I see that.
No. 26     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 27, 2017 at 9:55 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

CAsandie wrote:
Survivor -- and the acidity causes tooth enamel erosion. It's recommended to be drank with a straw.


Now I have been told and read the opposite. Drinking with a straw leads to more tooth decay and erosion no matter what is being consumed. Supposedly, most people are more apt to draw fluids through their teeth with more pressure when drinking with a straw, than if they simply poured fluid over their teeth and swallow as they would be more likely to do with a cup or glass. In fact, dentists now days recommend not allowing your children to initiate a habit of using a straw.

I most never use a straw except for enjoying a beverage while driving.


Maybe it's how one uses the straw that would matter?

http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20050617/sipping-soda-through-straw-cut-cavities#1

I sip personally.

There are many reports suggesting the benefits of straw use, but I'm "sure" though it's debated by dentists...and one has to make up their own mind then. I don't think straws protect our teeth totally, but it appears when I drink to reduce the amount of liquid that hits my teeth.

http://dentalpatientnews.com/will-drinking-from-a-straw-protect-your-teeth/

http://www.cadentalgroup.com/4-ways-drinking-straw-can-help-smile/

https://www.deltadentalins.com/oral_health/acid_wear.html

I learned something from the last link that I am sharing: it suggests waiting at least 30 minutes before brushing your teeth after consuming/drinking something with acidity because the acid softens the teeth and brushing directly afterwards could cause damage. <--I've been doing this wrong.

No. 27     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 27, 2017 at 10:23 PM     
Survivor -- also coffee in cosmetic treatments. Yes...I make my own and you can scent lotions with other essential oils to mask the coffee.

Peter -- There are good and bad reports circulating though. I heard on Dr. Oz a while ago that one can loose 10 pounds just by eliminating coffee (for which I was thinking of the nondairy creamers, but it had to due with drinking something that increased insulin in the morning when our bodies naturally do. It was suggested to wait until the afternoon if dieting.

But again...there are so many mixed opinions from doctors that I read. Thanks for posting.

Plowman wrote: Now I have some rather unpleasant health issues my doctor says are caused by drinking too much coffee.
I switched to decaffeinated and that helps but I still have stomach problems if I drink more then two cups a day.

Of course I don't blame coffee by itself. But it certainly contributed.
The longer I go without coffee the better I feel.


Plowman -- Thanks for your post and experience shared.

It very well can be individual as well as far as our bodies. Coffee seems to affect me more than others (jitters/it seems to flush out my system beyond the norm...). I truly appreciate you sharing your personal experiences.

I have an Uncle that currently works in the oil fields in TX, btw.

Survivor wrote: Supposedly the best coffees in the world are made from animal "dung". It most all tastes and smells as if it is to me.


Survivor -- I think I will pass on that coffee! I did see a educational program on this though (still would have to pass on trying this).



Devaprakash ... What is the coffee's name. I mostly drink Kona coffee because it has less acidity (it's from Hawaii).

Thanks all again for sharing thoughts.

No. 28     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Mar 27, 2017 at 10:49 PM     
Just getting around to reading this thread. I don't like coffee. I don't drink coffee.

Having said that, 2 of my daughters love the stuff.

My middle daughter down in N. Carolina (the only one still single - probably has nothing to do with coffee, lol) especially loves Mission Arabica coffee (http://www.missionarabica.com/shop/), specifically the Columbian and Brazilian blends.

How do I know this? Because they are expensive so not so much in her budget, hence it was the first thing on her Christmas wish-list she emailed me. She expressed her desire to me of wanting to try the Guatemalan blend.

I got her that plus doubled up with the Christmas blend offered also. Note to self: must ask her how she liked it (I know that she was VERY pleased to received the shipment).
No. 29     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Mar 27, 2017 at 10:57 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

CAsandie wrote:
Survivor -- and the acidity causes tooth enamel erosion. It's recommended to be drank with a straw.


Now I have been told and read the opposite. Drinking with a straw leads to more tooth decay and erosion no matter what is being consumed. Supposedly, most people are more apt to draw fluids through their teeth with more pressure when drinking with a straw, than if they simply poured fluid over their teeth and swallow as they would be more likely to do with a cup or glass. In fact, dentists now days recommend not allowing your children to initiate a habit of using a straw.

I most never use a straw except for enjoying a beverage while driving.


Maybe it's how one uses the straw that would matter?

http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20050617/sipping-soda-through-straw-cut-cavities#1

I sip personally.

There are many reports suggesting the benefits of straw use, but I'm "sure" though it's debated by dentists...and one has to make up their own mind then. I don't think straws protect our teeth totally, but it appears when I drink to reduce the amount of liquid that hits my teeth.

http://dentalpatientnews.com/will-drinking-from-a-straw-protect-your-teeth/

http://www.cadentalgroup.com/4-ways-drinking-straw-can-help-smile/

https://www.deltadentalins.com/oral_health/acid_wear.html

I learned something from the last link that I am sharing: it suggests waiting at least 30 minutes before brushing your teeth after consuming/drinking something with acidity because the acid softens the teeth and brushing directly afterwards could cause damage. <--I've been doing this wrong.



To each their own I guess. But I have extended family full of young children, with the most recent having just turned one year old. The young mothers and the grandmothers are all concerned with straw use. Their doctors, dentists, and child rearing books/magazines warn to steer away from the use of straws.
No. 30     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  highsierraguy1479   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 12:11 AM     
Survivor wrote: "Coffee was next on the list for the Feds to go after back in the days of prohibition. But the Feds failed so miserably with prohibiting alcohol and cigarettes, they decided to back off on coffee with supposedly many more addicted to it than other "vices"."

Wow! I never knew that and that's very interesting!
No. 31     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  highsierraguy1479   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 12:15 AM     
Gary wrote: "Something like 85% of the US is addicted to coffee.
Coffee is a drug and falls at the low end of the Speed Spectrum of drugs.
Personally, I would like to see it taxed and controlled like cigarettes. Not allowed in public buildings, etc. .... "

Yes, with it's high dosage of caffeine, I can see how it could be labeled as a drug. But in that case, maybe also so should tea and many soft drinks that have caffeine.

What do you think, Gary?
No. 32     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 2:22 AM     
Survivor -- well thanks for sharing that information about straw usage. I certainly will consider it and I'm glad I learned about not brushing one's teeth for at least 30 minutes after acidity drinks/foods.

High Sierra -- Thanks for your posts. I think I read somewhere that tea has more caffeine than coffee, which puzzled me, because coffee affects me much more than tea (perhaps it is certain brands of teas...I'm not sure and would have to research though). Appreciate your posts.

Gary -- I truly do not believe in 'sin' taxation of any type on what is allowed legally in commerce. Marijuana is becoming big 'gov' business[as far as tax collection] now due to it's legalization...and while I personally do not want ppl driving on marijuana .. as many know here (since I've been saying it for years), we ought to only be taxed for a well armed militia [defense / police) according to the Constitution (all the rest I believe is legal robbery). Many government agencies are 'working capital' over that of 'Mission funded.' I've worked for both. The working capital gov agencies are primarily self funding (as it can and in my belief should be). Waste, fraud and abuse is knocked out when one's yearly bonus or one's salary is based off earnings.

Storm -- Well let me know how she liked it too! :-p. As stated above, I mostly like Kona due to the lower acidity levels (it's less bitter as well) that mixed with protein frappe, natural dairy creamer and syrups makes coffee something I can drink (I haven't a clue how anyone can handle coffee straight, but they have my respect if they do)!

No. 33     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  greendiamond   Gender: F   Age: 62   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 4:56 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

Green Diamond -- the heat might lessen the vitamins if put in coffee, but it is a great idea in iced coffee. Shall we open business...we can call it Diamond Coffee .



Hi CAsandie..........:wavey:

........'think the word on the street nowadays is 'Green'.........

Green Coffee........great takeoff for marketing ideas.......hmmmmm.......

.........i'm outta here........thanx for the getback........:coffeenpc:
No. 34     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 5:48 AM     
CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash ... What is the coffee's name. I mostly drink Kona coffee because it has less acidity (it's from Hawaii).


When I was in Corvallis, Oregon, I went to a place for a drink. They had on the table indicating the arrival of special coffee from India that included the name of the place (of our State, Karnataka). It is Coorg coffee.

I think, much of the bad effects in coffee are due to its direct use. Our Ayurveda and Homeopathic people advise avoidance. But we normally drink coffee with large quantity of milk with sugar, not black coffee.
No. 35     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  RadioPreacherMan   Gender: M   Age: 59   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 3:45 PM     
I believe " too much " of anything is not good for ya.

I use to drink a lot of coffee during the day ... one cup after another. I got sick on my stomach a couple of years ago during a birthday party. I came home, sat in my chair, and started to feel better.

The next day ... I had " no desire " for coffee at all. I went a few days without it, then it slowly came back. It was like I was being " readjusted " inside of myself ... taking away the strong desire I had for coffee.

After the " readjustment " ... I now drink one cup in the morning ... and one cup after my evening meal ... that's it.

No. 36     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 5:34 PM     
CAsandie wrote:



Storm -- Well let me know how she liked it too! :-p.



She has responded on Facebook that she found both blends delicious.
No. 37     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  PlowMan   Gender: M   Age: 62   on  Mar 28, 2017 at 6:49 PM     
CAsandie wrote:


Plowman wrote: Now I have some rather unpleasant health issues my doctor says are caused by drinking too much coffee.
I switched to decaffeinated and that helps but I still have stomach problems if I drink more then two cups a day.

Of course I don't blame coffee by itself. But it certainly contributed.
The longer I go without coffee the better I feel.


Plowman -- Thanks for your post and experience shared.

It very well can be individual as well as far as our bodies. Coffee seems to affect me more than others (jitters/it seems to flush out my system beyond the norm...). I truly appreciate you sharing your personal experiences.


It does seem that some are more susceptible to react in a particular way to some chemicals.

I know that coffee has never effected me the way it effects some I know.
It does not make me jittery, or keep me awake.

I guess that is why I drank so much when I was younger, up to three pots a day.

For a good part of my life I could eat or drink almost anything, except known toxins, without experiencing any digestive issues.

Well with one exception I know of. Too many, a pint or more, of certain wild fruit such as Saskatoons would have a very strong laxative effect on me, and everyone I know.

Now I have a long list of digestive issues. I can't say for sure that coffee contributed or not. All I can say is, coffee clearly aggravates the issues.
No. 38     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM     
Green Diamond -- Green coffee ... I haven't tried this yet. TY...some info for anyone who haven't tried it:

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1264-green%20coffee.aspx?activeingredientid=1264


Devaprakash -- I'd like to try the coffee from your area as well!


RPM -- 2 cups a day is more than myself!


Plowman -- I've never heard of Saskatoon! I think that coffee has sort of a laxative affect...definitely a diuretic/dehydrating.

Peppermint tea is good for digestive issues, provided you don't have reflux or heartburn...

http://www.everydayhealth.com/digestive-health/the-power-of-peppermint.aspx

No. 39     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  PlowMan   Gender: M   Age: 62   on  Mar 30, 2017 at 11:39 PM     
CAsandie wrote:


Plowman -- I've never heard of Saskatoon! I think that coffee has sort of a laxative affect...definitely a diuretic/dehydrating.

Peppermint tea is good for digestive issues, provided you don't have reflux or heartburn...


Really, they are common all across north America so far as I know.



They are also called Service Berries but no one up here calls them that.
I think that's a southern term for them.

They are sorta like Blueberries. Dark Purple in color, but with harder larger seeds and their own unique taste. Great for pies or eaten fresh off the bush.

They are also a favorite among Bears.

We drink Mint tea fairly often. I pick wild Mint for making tea and Mint jelly. It is also widespread and common throughout north America.

It grows along slough edges and in wet meadows.
No. 40     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 30, 2017 at 11:58 PM     
June berries! I knew these by another name! I had a June berry bush growing on my property last spring (I don't think the gardener I hired transplanted it correctly and it died). I was amazed as they are rare to be found here.

I would find these hiking in IN. I called them wild blue berries; my family called them June berries. Definitely Delicious!

No. 41     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Mar 31, 2017 at 1:50 AM     
CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash -- I'd like to try the coffee from your area as well!


Happy drinking! :coffeenpc:


No. 42     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Mar 31, 2017 at 11:17 AM     
Devaprakash wrote:

CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash -- I'd like to try the coffee from your area as well!


Happy drinking! :coffeenpc:




I am having one glass every other day now (if). I'm doing my own intervention after creating this thread and getting farther into the research [the good is good, but the bad is bad as far as the mixed reviews]. I was having a glass a day, but understand that the coffee mug used is rather large!

:coffeenpc:

No. 43     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  Mar 31, 2017 at 8:04 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

CAsandie wrote:
Devaprakash -- I'd like to try the coffee from your area as well!


Happy drinking! :coffeenpc:




I am having one glass every other day now (if). I'm doing my own intervention after creating this thread and getting farther into the research [the good is good, but the bad is bad as far as the mixed reviews]. I was having a glass a day, but understand that the coffee mug used is rather large!

:coffeenpc:



I don't drink black coffee
No. 44     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  highsierraguy1479   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Apr 1, 2017 at 5:35 AM     
What's wrong with coffee?

Caffeine, caffeine, caffeine. And, then, more caffeine!

That's what wrong with coffee. It's a stimulant and most of our society is highly addicted to it.
And, as a stimulant, it does 'pick you up' in the morning and seems to give you energy, but, once it wears off, it drops you badly back down again. Worst of all, you're caught in a never-ending cycle if you keep drinking.

There are other obvious noticeable side effects; premature wrinkles, bags under the eyes and internal stomach and intestinal problems too.
No. 45     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Apr 1, 2017 at 8:39 PM     
there's something wrong with everything.....

if you like coffee... drink it. That's my motto.
No. 46     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Caroline723   Gender: F   Age: 59   on  Apr 1, 2017 at 9:09 PM     
https://www.caffeineinformer.com/7-good-reasons-to-drink-coffee




19 Good Health Reasons To Drink Coffee

There are good reasons to drink coffee and there are a few reasons not to. This article is for those that are looking for reasons to keep drinking it.

After all, you may have a caffeine-hater in your life. You know the type – they’re always telling you what’s bad for your health.

Here’s a list of some good reasons to drink coffee. Memorize this list – so the next time you encounter your favorite coffee-hater you can pull out one of these babies.

While you’re at it, you can add the words “from a peer-reviewed scientific journal” — that’ll really get your pet coffee-hater frothing at the mouth.

In all seriousness, here are some scientific reasons for drinking coffee in moderation.

Top 11 Coffee Health Benefits

Cut the Pain
Two cups of coffee can cut post-workout muscle pain by up to 48%. From the Journal of Pain, March 2007 (link)

Increase your fiber intake
A cup of brewed coffee represents a contribution of up to 1.8 grams of fiber of the recommended intake of 20-38 grams. From the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry (link).

Protection against cirrhosis of the liver
Of course, you could just cut down on the alcohol intake. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). Another more recent study also showed coffee’s liver protecting benefits. link. Yet another study showed that both coffee and decaffeinated coffee lowered the liver enzyme levels of coffee drinkers. This study was published in the Hepatology Journal.

Lowered risk of Type 2 Diabetes
Those who consumed 6 or more cups per day had a 22% lower risk of diabetes. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). A recent review of research conducted by Harvard’s Dr. Frank Hu showed that the risk of type II diabetes decreases by 9% for each daily cup of coffee consumed. Decaf coffee decreased risk by 6% per cup.

Lowered risk of Alzheimer’s disease
There is considerable evidence that caffeine may protect against Alzheimer’s disease. From the European Journal of Neurology (link).

Reduces suicide risk and Depression
A 10-year study of 86,000 female nurses shows a reduced risk of suicide in the coffee drinkers. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). Another study conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health found that women who drink 4 or more cups of coffee were 20% less likely to suffer from depression. Study link.

Protection against Parkinson’s
People with Parkinson’s disease are less likely to be smokers and coffee drinkers than their healthy siblings. Just make sure you don’t get lung cancer on the way. From the Archives of Neurology (link). Even newer research out of Sweden revealed that drinking coffee reduces the risk of Parkinson’s even when genetic factors come into play.

Reduced risk of heart disease
Coffee drinkers have less risk of heart disease. Korean researchers found that study participants who consumed 3 to 5 cups of coffee a day were less likely to show the beginning signs of heart disease. The study. Other dietary factors should also be noted as Koreans typically have a different diet than do Westerners.

Coffee drinkers have stronger DNA.
A study published in the European Journal of Nutrition showed that coffee drinkers have DNA with stronger integrity since the white blood cells of coffee drinkers had far less instance of spontaneous DNA strand breakage. Study abstract.

Lower Risk of Multiple Sclerosis.
Recent research showed that at least 4 cups of coffee a day may help protect against the development and reoccurrence of MS. It is believed that the coffee prevents the neural inflammation that possibly leads to the disease developing. The study was published in the Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry.

Coffee reduces colorectal cancer risk.
Even moderate consumption of coffee can reduce the odds of developing colorectal cancer by 26%. This protective benefit increases with more consumption. The study is described in detail here.
Recent research has also shown that coffee may boost a woman’s sex drive, but the fact that it’s only been tested on rats somehow takes the shine off.

8 More Reasons to Drink Coffee

New research concerning coffee and health is being conducted all the time. Here are some more of the latest studies.

Reduced Liver Cancer Risk:
Researchers at USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center found that those that consume 1-3 cups of coffee a day have a 29% reduced risk of developing liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC), which is the most common type. Src.

Less Gout Risk: Yet another reason: Risk for developing gout (in men) decreases with increasing coffee consumption. This is a large study of over 50,000 men

Longevity:
Greek boiled coffee linked to longevity and heart health. –link. Another study published in the June 17, 2008, issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine showed that women who consume coffee had a lower risk of death from cancer, heart disease, and other factors, which therefore promotes a longer lifespan. Yet another study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that coffee drinkers were at less risk of dying prematurely from diseases like diabetes, heart disease and forms of cancer. Study link. Another study from Japan found that men who drink at least 3 cups of coffee per day have a 24% less risk of dying early from disease. Yet another study from Harvard also confirmed that those who drink 1-5 cups of coffee a day avoid diseases linked to premature death. The study.The study.

Prevents Retinal Damage.
A Cornell University Study showed that coffee may prevent retinal damage due to oxidative stress. Caffeine isn’t the culprit here, but chlorogenic acid (CLA), which is one of the strong antioxidants found in the coffee bean.

Black coffee prevents cavities.
Researchers out of Brazil found that strong black coffee kills the bacteria on teeth that leads to tooth decay. Adding milk or sugar to coffee negates this benefit. –link
Coffee may protect against periodontal disease. As part of the US Department of Veterans Affairs Dental Longitudinal Study coffee consumption and dental health among 1,152 men was tracked from 1968-1998. The researchers found that coffee didn’t promote gum disease and actually showed a protective benefit. Link

Coffee may protect against melanoma.
A study published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found that melanoma risk decreases with coffee consumption and that this risk decreases with each cup consumed. Study link.
The USDA’s new 2015 dietary guidelines recommend it for better health. They advise people that having 3 to 5 cups of coffee a day is good for their overall health and reduces the risk of disease. However, they report that adding sugar, cream, or flavored creamers quickly negates the potential benefits. The complete report here.(pdf)

Reduced heart attack mortality risk. Researchers found that those who drink two or more cups of coffee daily after having a heart attack have the least risk of dying from the heart attack. The study.
Coffee’s Health Promoting Antioxidants

coffee-health-benefits-antioxidants
Coffee Berries

Coffee’s health promoting properties are likely due to the antioxidants naturally occurring in the coffee bean.

A typical serving of coffee contains more antioxidants than typical servings of grape juice, blueberries, raspberries, and oranges.
Antioxidants in coffee may dampen inflammation, reducing the risk of disorders related to it, like cardiovascular disease.
A study from Monash University even further demonstrated the antioxidant capacities of brewed coffee.
Just drink decaf then?

While there are still some health benefits to drinking decaf coffee, most of the above studies showed that caffeinated coffee had the greatest benefits.

This is due to many of the antioxidants being removed during the decaffeination process.

How Safe or Beneficial is Coffee Then?

For most people, coffee can be a healthy part of the diet and there is no reason to not enjoy a couple cups a day unless you can’t control your consumption.

However, coffee may not be beneficial for everyone. Those with certain heart conditions, caffeine sensitivity, and woman who are pregnant should stick to decaf or tea.

Also, those that drink coffee in excess may be negating some of the benefits because of the large amounts of caffeine they are consuming. These people may benefit from a caffeine detox to reset their caffeine tolerance to more moderate levels.

The key is moderation, which is typically 2-3 cups a day, to get the coffee health benefits but avoid the negative issues associated with too much caffeine.

No. 47     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Caroline723   Gender: F   Age: 59   on  Apr 1, 2017 at 9:14 PM     
Sorry all you caffeine haters, but there are more health benefits to coffee than dangers.


https://authoritynutrition.com/top-13-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coffee/

https://authoritynutrition.com/top-13-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coffee/
No. 48     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Apr 1, 2017 at 9:14 PM     
Caroline723 wrote:

https://www.caffeineinformer.com/7-good-reasons-to-drink-coffee




19 Good Health Reasons To Drink Coffee

There are good reasons to drink coffee and there are a few reasons not to. This article is for those that are looking for reasons to keep drinking it.

After all, you may have a caffeine-hater in your life. You know the type – they’re always telling you what’s bad for your health.

Here’s a list of some good reasons to drink coffee. Memorize this list – so the next time you encounter your favorite coffee-hater you can pull out one of these babies.

While you’re at it, you can add the words “from a peer-reviewed scientific journal” — that’ll really get your pet coffee-hater frothing at the mouth.

In all seriousness, here are some scientific reasons for drinking coffee in moderation.

Top 11 Coffee Health Benefits

Cut the Pain
Two cups of coffee can cut post-workout muscle pain by up to 48%. From the Journal of Pain, March 2007 (link)

Increase your fiber intake
A cup of brewed coffee represents a contribution of up to 1.8 grams of fiber of the recommended intake of 20-38 grams. From the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry (link).

Protection against cirrhosis of the liver
Of course, you could just cut down on the alcohol intake. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). Another more recent study also showed coffee’s liver protecting benefits. link. Yet another study showed that both coffee and decaffeinated coffee lowered the liver enzyme levels of coffee drinkers. This study was published in the Hepatology Journal.

Lowered risk of Type 2 Diabetes
Those who consumed 6 or more cups per day had a 22% lower risk of diabetes. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). A recent review of research conducted by Harvard’s Dr. Frank Hu showed that the risk of type II diabetes decreases by 9% for each daily cup of coffee consumed. Decaf coffee decreased risk by 6% per cup.

Lowered risk of Alzheimer’s disease
There is considerable evidence that caffeine may protect against Alzheimer’s disease. From the European Journal of Neurology (link).

Reduces suicide risk and Depression
A 10-year study of 86,000 female nurses shows a reduced risk of suicide in the coffee drinkers. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). Another study conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health found that women who drink 4 or more cups of coffee were 20% less likely to suffer from depression. Study link.

Protection against Parkinson’s
People with Parkinson’s disease are less likely to be smokers and coffee drinkers than their healthy siblings. Just make sure you don’t get lung cancer on the way. From the Archives of Neurology (link). Even newer research out of Sweden revealed that drinking coffee reduces the risk of Parkinson’s even when genetic factors come into play.

Reduced risk of heart disease
Coffee drinkers have less risk of heart disease. Korean researchers found that study participants who consumed 3 to 5 cups of coffee a day were less likely to show the beginning signs of heart disease. The study. Other dietary factors should also be noted as Koreans typically have a different diet than do Westerners.

Coffee drinkers have stronger DNA.
A study published in the European Journal of Nutrition showed that coffee drinkers have DNA with stronger integrity since the white blood cells of coffee drinkers had far less instance of spontaneous DNA strand breakage. Study abstract.

Lower Risk of Multiple Sclerosis.
Recent research showed that at least 4 cups of coffee a day may help protect against the development and reoccurrence of MS. It is believed that the coffee prevents the neural inflammation that possibly leads to the disease developing. The study was published in the Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry.

Coffee reduces colorectal cancer risk.
Even moderate consumption of coffee can reduce the odds of developing colorectal cancer by 26%. This protective benefit increases with more consumption. The study is described in detail here.
Recent research has also shown that coffee may boost a woman’s sex drive, but the fact that it’s only been tested on rats somehow takes the shine off.

8 More Reasons to Drink Coffee

New research concerning coffee and health is being conducted all the time. Here are some more of the latest studies.

Reduced Liver Cancer Risk:
Researchers at USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center found that those that consume 1-3 cups of coffee a day have a 29% reduced risk of developing liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC), which is the most common type. Src.

Less Gout Risk: Yet another reason: Risk for developing gout (in men) decreases with increasing coffee consumption. This is a large study of over 50,000 men

Longevity:
Greek boiled coffee linked to longevity and heart health. –link. Another study published in the June 17, 2008, issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine showed that women who consume coffee had a lower risk of death from cancer, heart disease, and other factors, which therefore promotes a longer lifespan. Yet another study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that coffee drinkers were at less risk of dying prematurely from diseases like diabetes, heart disease and forms of cancer. Study link. Another study from Japan found that men who drink at least 3 cups of coffee per day have a 24% less risk of dying early from disease. Yet another study from Harvard also confirmed that those who drink 1-5 cups of coffee a day avoid diseases linked to premature death. The study.The study.

Prevents Retinal Damage.
A Cornell University Study showed that coffee may prevent retinal damage due to oxidative stress. Caffeine isn’t the culprit here, but chlorogenic acid (CLA), which is one of the strong antioxidants found in the coffee bean.

Black coffee prevents cavities.
Researchers out of Brazil found that strong black coffee kills the bacteria on teeth that leads to tooth decay. Adding milk or sugar to coffee negates this benefit. –link
Coffee may protect against periodontal disease. As part of the US Department of Veterans Affairs Dental Longitudinal Study coffee consumption and dental health among 1,152 men was tracked from 1968-1998. The researchers found that coffee didn’t promote gum disease and actually showed a protective benefit. Link

Coffee may protect against melanoma.
A study published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found that melanoma risk decreases with coffee consumption and that this risk decreases with each cup consumed. Study link.
The USDA’s new 2015 dietary guidelines recommend it for better health. They advise people that having 3 to 5 cups of coffee a day is good for their overall health and reduces the risk of disease. However, they report that adding sugar, cream, or flavored creamers quickly negates the potential benefits. The complete report here.(pdf)

Reduced heart attack mortality risk. Researchers found that those who drink two or more cups of coffee daily after having a heart attack have the least risk of dying from the heart attack. The study.
Coffee’s Health Promoting Antioxidants

coffee-health-benefits-antioxidants
Coffee Berries

Coffee’s health promoting properties are likely due to the antioxidants naturally occurring in the coffee bean.

A typical serving of coffee contains more antioxidants than typical servings of grape juice, blueberries, raspberries, and oranges.
Antioxidants in coffee may dampen inflammation, reducing the risk of disorders related to it, like cardiovascular disease.
A study from Monash University even further demonstrated the antioxidant capacities of brewed coffee.
Just drink decaf then?

While there are still some health benefits to drinking decaf coffee, most of the above studies showed that caffeinated coffee had the greatest benefits.

This is due to many of the antioxidants being removed during the decaffeination process.

How Safe or Beneficial is Coffee Then?

For most people, coffee can be a healthy part of the diet and there is no reason to not enjoy a couple cups a day unless you can’t control your consumption.

However, coffee may not be beneficial for everyone. Those with certain heart conditions, caffeine sensitivity, and woman who are pregnant should stick to decaf or tea.

Also, those that drink coffee in excess may be negating some of the benefits because of the large amounts of caffeine they are consuming. These people may benefit from a caffeine detox to reset their caffeine tolerance to more moderate levels.

The key is moderation, which is typically 2-3 cups a day, to get the coffee health benefits but avoid the negative issues associated with too much caffeine.



I LOVE THIS ENTIRE POST!!!! And I don't even drink coffee.... LOL

:biggrin:
No. 49     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Apr 3, 2017 at 1:32 PM     
Well whilst avoiding doing my taxes still, I did research if tea had more caffeine than coffee and this is what popped up:

Tea leaves have more caffeine than coffee beans before they are brewed. Prepared, however, tea is diluted quite a bit more than most coffees. Each will vary depending on how strong you like it, though. I understand also that the caffeine content in tea is extracted during the first ten seconds of brewing.


So I need to correct myself there, please (tea leaves have more caffeine, but the caffeine is brewed away unlike with the coffee bean. That makes a lot more sense to me)!

As far as caffeine consumption and worries there of, I am including a link to the quantities (please note though chocolate and other beans all have caffeine, even pinto beans have 12 g)...

What is interesting from this Mayo report is that 'decaf' has caffeine? Did anyone know this??? :shock:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/caffeine/art-20049372

Thanks everyone for your continuing educational thoughts on the matter.

No. 50     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Apr 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM     
I am reading more and more health and nutrition reports that indicate it is simply best to just cut out caffeine from coffee. Not worth the balancing act as to why it is good for you versus why it is not.
No. 51     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Apr 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM     
Survivor -- possibly a fair consideration. I have only drank coffee for a short time in my life and even now am leaning toward once to twice a week as for my own decision on moderation.

.... that said,

I must say freshly ground coffee is 'very' noticeably less bitter over that of the gourmet pre-ground and with a magic bullet takes only a minute or two to grind.

I accidentally purchased whole beans (it is made with brown sugar and clove, but was mis-marked as ground). After this mix-up by Spout's grocery store though, I am uncertain that I will ever buy pre-ground coffee again!

:coffeenpc:
No. 52     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 3, 2017 at 5:22 PM     
I am just sharing a couple of coffees that I found that have reduced acidity if anyone cared to try these:

Healthwise:

https://www.vitacost.com/healthwise-100-colombian-gourmet-low-acid-supremo-coffee

Puroast:

https://www.vitacost.com/puroast-low-acid-ground-coffee


(I will be passing on any drawn out debates of whether the low acidity coffee is better for you ... I believe it is though after some rather drawn out research on the matter).

No. 53     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 3, 2017 at 6:42 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor -- possibly a fair consideration. I have only drank coffee for a short time in my life and even now am leaning toward once to twice a week as for my own decision on moderation.


I do not totally "knock" caffeine. In moderation, I can maybe see some healthy purpose. But for a knowledgeable health conscious individual, consumption of caffeine simply erases much of, if not most, the efforts one makes to remain healthy. Caffeine depletes and/or prohibits benefits from nutrients, minerals, and vitamins you have attempted to add to your diet for improved health.
No. 54     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 3, 2017 at 10:39 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

CAsandie wrote:

Survivor -- possibly a fair consideration. I have only drank coffee for a short time in my life and even now am leaning toward once to twice a week as for my own decision on moderation.


I do not totally "knock" caffeine. In moderation, I can maybe see some healthy purpose. But for a knowledgeable health conscious individual, consumption of caffeine simply erases much of, if not most, the efforts one makes to remain healthy. Caffeine depletes and/or prohibits benefits from nutrients, minerals, and vitamins you have attempted to add to your diet for improved health.


Survivor -- I do not know everything (and I sure pray that I do not come across as a know it all in forums)...

However there is naturally occurring caffeine in many food items (not just coffee beans)...as well as caffeine 'fortified' foods to include some beef jerky and other snacks that are considered healthy.

You might want to look into this (since you consider yourself a knowledgeable health conscious individual).

I personally am worried about the acidity in coffee over the caffeine (but I personally don't seem to form an addiction to caffeine after some time ago stopping sodas/it might be different for different ppl). It is my understanding though that while our stomachs should have acid that our blood having a higher alkaline level is preventative against cancer and other ailments. Acidity also destroys teeth enamel (and I personally would like to die with my full current set of teeth). :-p
No. 55     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 4, 2017 at 2:33 AM     
CAsandie wrote:However there is naturally occurring caffeine in many food items (not just coffee beans)...as well as caffeine 'fortified' foods to include some beef jerky and other snacks that are considered healthy.

You might want to look into this (since you consider yourself a knowledgeable health conscious individual).


I have looked into it considerably. Consider it my obligation to my customers. As you know, I market health and fitness products. Much, if not most, of my current active monthly income efforts are from the sale of such.

The most common health and fitness query I receive is "does this contain caffeine", followed by "if so, I cannot use it", "do you have a caffeine alternative", etc..

A popular fitness trend is the 10 day, 24 day, 30 day, etc. fitness challenges. Many offer or suggest a package of specific foods and supplements combined with a suggested exercise program. Many of these programs have had to start offering caffeine free alternatives to their offerings for the growing numbers cutting out caffeine.

Common current advice from fitness trainers, nutritionists, and doctors is "no caffeine, no sugar", often including a following statement of "no coffee, no sodas".

Many Americans are addicted to caffeine, and thus seek out products that contain caffeine. They believe it is what "energizes" them, gets them through their day. Possibly is, if addicted to it. But that "morning high" actually should come naturally by way of natural cortisol levels. But it has become a "marketing ploy" to now display that your product contains caffeine.

I offer a very popular energy drink alternative that does contain some caffeine, but supposedly a more healthy alternative otherwise suggesting to consume all you desire. I have my personal doubts as to whether anything containing caffeine, whether it be natural or added, should be consumed in excess.

Our bodies naturally produce hormones. For example such as cortisone. Cortisone shots have become common to relieve joint pain etc.. But these shots have "tricked" the body into not producing its own natural cortisone, leading to a whole new list of ailments other than just joint pain. Therefore I am careful with products such as caffeine and others that are clearly known to negatively play with natural levels of hormones.

It is a known scientific fact that drinking a cup of coffee with meals decreases the absorption of essential minerals. Caffeine and other constituents in coffee cause the body to excrete minerals in the urine, especially calcium, potassium, magnesium, sodium, phosphate, vitamin D, zinc and iron. I am one that makes extra effort to add such to my diet. Therefore also strive to not consume something extra that is going to make that effort for naught.

Although there is evidence caffeine increases stomach acid, thus increasing the absorption of vitamin B12, I am one that prefers to get my vitamin B12 by other means.

Everything requires balance.
No. 56     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 4, 2017 at 10:17 AM     
Survivor -- I was not actually aware of your full line on Ebay (I scrolled some and did see weights being sold/unaware of fitness programs to include food items). Yes, one would certainly have to educate oneself on resell items.

Thanks for your thoughts here. Off to make some flaxseed, chia seed and whey protein oatmeal (topped with colostrum for my Mom). It took some trial and error to get this to taste good! :-p

Make it a great day!



No. 57     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 4, 2017 at 8:38 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor -- I was not actually aware of your full line on Ebay (I scrolled some and did see weights being sold/unaware of fitness programs to include food items). Yes, one would certainly have to educate oneself on resell items.




What I refer to I do not currently sell on eBay. It is products marketed on at least 3 of my own websites. I have as many as 3 more websites going live soon.
No. 58     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Cuddlebug4128637   Gender: F   Age: 36   on  May 5, 2017 at 2:50 AM     
Ok here is the nurse in me and I am trying to justify my love for coffee

Cut the Pain
Two cups of coffee can cut post-workout muscle pain by up to 48%. From the Journal of Pain

Increase your fiber intake
A cup of brewed coffee represents a contribution of up to 1.8 grams of fiber of the recommended intake of 20-38 grams. From the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry (link).

Protection against cirrhosis of the liver
Of course, you could just cut down on the alcohol intake. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). Another more recent study also showed coffee’s liver protecting benefits. link. Yet another study showed that both coffee and decaffeinated coffee lowered the liver enzyme levels of coffee drinkers. This study was published in the Hepatology Journal.

Lowered risk of Type 2 Diabetes
Those who consumed 6 or more cups per day had a 22% lower risk of diabetes. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). A recent review of research conducted by Harvard’s Dr. Frank Hu showed that the risk of type II diabetes decreases by 9% for each daily cup of coffee consumed. Decaf coffee decreased risk by 6% per cup.
Lowered risk of Alzheimer’s disease
There is considerable evidence that caffeine may protect against Alzheimer’s disease. From the European Journal of Neurology (link).
Reduces suicide risk and Depression
A 10-year study of 86,000 female nurses shows a reduced risk of suicide in the coffee drinkers. From the Archives of Internal Medicine (link). Another study conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health found that women who drink 4 or more cups of coffee were 20% less likely to suffer from depression. Study link.
Protection against Parkinson’s
People with Parkinson’s disease are less likely to be smokers and coffee drinkers than their healthy siblings. Just make sure you don’t get lung cancer on the way. From the Archives of Neurology (link). Even newer research out of Sweden revealed that drinking coffee reduces the risk of Parkinson’s even when genetic factors come into play. link.
Coffee drinkers have less risk of heart disease. Korean researchers found that study participants who consumed 3 to 5 cups of coffee a day were less likely to show the beginning signs of heart disease. The study. Other dietary factors should also be noted as Koreans typically have a different diet than do Westerners.
Coffee drinkers have stronger DNA. A study published in the European Journal of Nutrition showed that coffee drinkers have DNA with stronger integrity since the white blood cells of coffee drinkers had far less instance of spontaneous DNA strand breakage. Study abstract.
Lower Risk of Multiple Sclerosis. Recent research showed that at least 4 cups of coffee a day may help protect against the development and reoccurrence of MS. It is believed that the coffee prevents the neural inflammation that possibly leads to the disease developing. The study was published in the Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry.

Coffee reduces colorectal cancer risk. Even moderate consumption of coffee can reduce the odds of developing colorectal cancer by 26%. This protective benefit increases with more consumption. The study is described in detail here.
Recent research has also shown that coffee may boost a woman’s sex drive, but the fact that it’s only been tested on rats somehow takes the shine off.
No. 59     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 5, 2017 at 11:08 AM     
Survivor -- On the off topic -- I recall from threads you stating your involvement in MLMs, but didn't know it was health sites (if MLMs/not sure on that either). (not keeping lists, but your resume would be a feat to read)! Congrats of the new sites/hope they are a blessing! Thanks for sharing.

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Cuddlebug -- So nice to see a new forum poster here (we actually have two new members today) and to have another medical professional's input (or justification. :-p) ... (we have a retired Nurse and EMT in forums here as well).

Welcoming you to forums!!!....we are blessed by your presence and hope you too might be blessed here.

I appreciate the information (some 'really' good health benefits listed there). . Thank you as well for what you do (nurses deserve a lot more recognition than often received)!

I too have read the antioxidants in coffee to be quite impressive alongside the bioavailabiity/adsorption capability (some antioxidants cannot survive stomach acids as well as is seen as the antioxidants in coffee, which is by nature an acidic carrier).

Thank you for your post! (so happy to greet and meet you here).

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I'd like to report my personal study and undertaking here (so not scientific, but sharing my experience)...


Since switching to the low acidity brands (I mentioned two above, but also Kona is of a lower acidity range) ...

I haven't experienced the coffee low (when the caffeine wears off), headaches or stomach aches (mine were mild, but I do know some who suffer much greater and I've recognized these to be possible side effects of coffee [as have they]). I don't consume coffee daily, but had noticed these side affects with 'some' coffees and depending on how strong I made the coffee...

So after switching to the low acidity coffee, I tried a regular cup (just yesterday) and I felt a bit of indigestion.

While not scientific (although I could produce oodles of articles as for the reason we ought to have a diet low in acidity), I highly recommend the low acidity varieties of coffee...

Yummy, plus an energy boost without the acidity! I'm still researching though (on the roasting process in which removes the acidity while maintaining the antioxidants and integrity/flavor).

Salut! :coffeenpc:
No. 60     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Verbatim   Gender: F   Age: 64   on  May 5, 2017 at 1:12 PM     
Caffeine is a drug.
The elites have cornered the market for centuries- just like a "drug cartel."

Self-denial means “turning away from the idolatry of self-centeredness and every attempt to orient one’s life by the dictates of self-interest”

We renounce self-exaltation and live to exalt God. We renounce self-will and live to do God’s will. We renounce self-seeking and live instead to seek God and His kingdom and righteousness. Those who follow Jesus repudiate a self-centered life at every level.
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Paul told Timothy, “Discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness”…
I Timothy. 4.7

“Getting rid of the ‘self-life’ is like peeling an onion: layer upon layer- and a tearful process of prayer and thanksgiving!"

To follow Jesus requires ongoing submission to Jesus as Lord.
No. 61     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM     
Well thank you Verbatim for your thoughts. For certain as I mentioned in the OP -- some ppl do appear to get addicted to coffee.

Caffeine is a naturally occurring substance in other edibles like chocolate (now chocolate I think I've held an addiction to for years...!!! [delicious stuff]). I get mine from Spouts lately in the bulk bins...their chocolate covered walnuts are yummy (not truly caring for candy bars or supermarket chocolate too much).

No. 62     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 5, 2017 at 6:48 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor -- On the off topic -- I recall from threads you stating your involvement in MLMs, but didn't know it was health sites (if MLMs/not sure on that either). (not keeping lists, but your resume would be a feat to read)! Congrats of the new sites/hope they are a blessing! Thanks for sharing.


Thank you.

The MLM process is not really the manner I earn this income. But it is via direct sales of products obtained from defined MLM hosts.

Essentially, all capitalistic businesses, entities and/or organizations are MLM and/or network marketing. The difference between a traditional business structure and a defined MLM business structure is how the profits are paid out.

A traditional business structure, ignoring partnerships and ownership via share of stocks, is a "pyramid" structure. Those at the top traditionally earn the most, and often for doing the least physically.

An MLM offers all participants the opportunity to be paid the same for their efforts same as anyone else in the MLM structure, regardless if at the top or the bottom.

Yes, I am involved in more than one health and fitness MLM. But my income is derived from direct sales of product. Not via the MLM structure.

Although I do have affiliates that have opted to be involved as my MLM downline, at this time, what income I may derive from such is passed down to them. I only retain the income from my personal direct sales of product.

I also might add that in an MLM, no income flows up from any downline. Such is a popular myth. Your income in an MLM is paid to you by the host and/or vendors based on your own performance. There can be "bonuses"/"overrides", but that is based on evidence that you have met the minimums indicating you have assisted downline with earning their income. Therefore, most my downline at this time, essentially "double dip" the income potential.

I have downline earning well more than I in the MLM. They finally took the ball and ran for themselves. But I assisted them with getting to where they are at, and that support is ongoing.
No. 63     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 29, 2017 at 12:33 PM     
Survivor -- On the side topic ... I'm curious, are there any MLMs that become fortune 500 companies? I always see the 'growth' stats when asked to join one, but I've known few to be successful businesses (yet not following them, so I'm asking if there are any)?

I ask out of curiousity/I have no interest in joining any.


On coffee: I am considering turning my Barista Kitchen corner into a gourmet tea corner. I've always loved teas and I find they certainly have good health benefits (and little to no reported possible bad health warnings). I have been using my coffee syrups in teas as well as natural milk creamer and 'yum.' (protein powder didn't work well for me in teas, but is the perfect hot chocolate)!



No. 64     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 29, 2017 at 12:55 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor -- On the side topic ... I'm curious, are there any MLMs that become fortune 500 companies? I always see the 'growth' stats when asked to join one, but I've known few to be successful businesses (yet not following them, so I'm asking if there are any)?

I ask out of curiousity/I have no interest in joining any.


On coffee: I am considering turning my Barista Kitchen corner into a gourmet tea corner. I've always loved teas and I find they certainly have good health benefits (and little to no reported possible bad health warnings). I have been using my coffee syrups in teas as well as natural milk creamer and 'yum.' (protein powder didn't work well for me in teas, but is the perfect hot chocolate)!






I am not sure. I would have to check. The Fortune 500 is a list of publically traded companies. Most MLMs are privately held companies, of which I know there are some on the Forbes list of largest private companies. I also know that many if not most of the largest companies that do not appear to be MLMs, now market their products and services via MLMs, network marketing, and/or affiliate marketing. All of which are a form of MLM. USA Today reported that such marketing is what is driving the US economy to turn around.

I also know that only one company in the world has produced more millionaires than an MLM. The company that has produced the most millionaires is Microsoft. Right behind them on the list is an MLM.

Many of the major companies on the Fortune 500 use this MLM to market their financial and insurance products, as well as many other major companies on the Fortune 500 market their products and services via an MLM. You can purchase a car or even a home via an MLM.

The largest provider in the world of what is referred to as an essential service which is such as cell phone service, cable service, satellite dish service, home security, charge card transaction services, energy, security service, and more, is an MLM. Most all the major carriers and service providers market their services through this particular MLM as well as through some others.
No. 65     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  jadefox   Gender: F   Age: 58   on  Jun 29, 2017 at 3:51 PM     
Gary208 wrote:

Something like 85% of the US is addicted to coffee.
Coffee is a drug and falls at the low end of the Speed Spectrum of drugs.

Personally, I would like to see it taxed and controlled like cigarettes. Not allowed in public buildings, etc.
I think all the coffee urns lining entryways, especially in hospitals, need to be banned completely as the first step. The stench can gag a maggot!





Coffee's considered a food item in New York State, so is not taxed as a luxury or 'sin' item. It's not taxed as is classified as a food. Compare to soft drinks and candy, those are taxed. Coffee and teas are not.

I must be used to the smell, because I enjoy the roasting smell of fresh coffee in the morning.

No. 66     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 30, 2017 at 7:52 AM     
Verbatim wrote:

Caffeine is a drug.
The elites have cornered the market for centuries- just like a "drug cartel."


The US government once had caffeine next on the list to go after and attempt to control and/or prohibit as they attempted with alcohol and tobacco. But they failed so miserably with those, they backed off on their plans against caffeine.

As Gary mentioned, it is interesting they have not yet implemented taxes against caffeine and turned it into a source of government revenue as they have with alcohol and tobacco, and as many states are in the process of doing with marijuana.
No. 67     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Jun 30, 2017 at 2:45 PM     
As Gary mentioned, it is interesting they have not yet implemented taxes against caffeine and turned it into a source of government revenue as they have with alcohol and tobacco, and as many states are in the process of doing with marijuana.


Gary/Survivor: Don't think the government will not yet!

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/02/14/oregon-considers-statewide-coffee-tax-retailers-look-to-raise-prices.html



No. 68     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 3:14 PM     
So just reporting back on the low acidity brands I found:

Healthwise:

https://www.vitacost.com/healthwise-100-colombian-gourmet-low-acid-supremo-coffee

Puroast:

https://www.vitacost.com/puroast-low-acid-ground-coffee

The flavor to me is the same after several tries (of course I have always had 1/2 milk if not chocolate milk, protein powder and other flavoring in order to even drink coffee (it's bitter to me). I find the low acidity brand also less bitter (so a good healthy move up, imo).

On teas, I have found that the coffee syrups work great in teas as well!


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I'm still undecided as for an absolute answer about coffee, but for certain I do see we all have established individual answers to the question in the OP.

I just want to thank everyone for your posts and the lack of quarreling here despite opposing views and for your educated thoughts! :thumbs-up:
No. 69     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 5, 2017 at 3:19 PM     
jadefox wrote: Coffee's considered a food item in New York State, so is not taxed as a luxury or 'sin' item. It's not taxed as is classified as a food. Compare to soft drinks and candy, those are taxed. Coffee and teas are not.

I must be used to the smell, because I enjoy the roasting smell of fresh coffee in the morning.



Interesting ... Jade (thanks). Even though I never drank coffee for most of my life, I too have enjoyed the smell of coffee in the morning (my grandparents drank it and at every job I've worked -- it's been that familiar aroma [it smells like a woodsy vanilla smell to me]).

No. 70     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 8, 2017 at 12:45 PM     
I do not much debate whether coffee is beneficial or not any more.

Although I do not care for coffee itself as far as smell or taste, I have accepted the evidence of health benefits if consumed in moderation. Such as 1-3 cups per day, and if dairy products and sugar have not been added. Otherwise, it appears you potentially override the health benefits if you add such and/or consume more.

If I ever were to desire the potential health benefits of coffee, I would opt for the caffeine bean gel caps or tablets. Such as I have for the benefits of resveratrol found in wine. I do not much like wine, but originally thought it somewhat healthy to consume. Recent research indicates red wine is possibly not as beneficial as thought, to maybe being of no real benefit at all. There are supposedly more potent sources of polyphenols in "safer" beverages/foods that do not contain alcohol.
No. 71     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  shodan_carmen   Gender: M   Age: 67   on  Sep 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Thanks all for your thoughts.

I found this article with the suggested benefits and risks on MDWeb...

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/coffee-new-health-food#1



Very Good Article I've been a fake Norwegian most of my life--no coffee Considering dementia, I better start drinking it!
No. 72     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 9, 2017 at 4:40 PM     
I think Coffee in moderation is beneficial.

Many Doctors agree.

if you have clogged arteries or your heart you had better be careful on consuming too much coffee, it can set off and give you an heart attack, literally! Limit it to 1 or 2 cups. A whole pot can kill you.

I generally drink 1-3 cups at work at night, and sometimes Green Tea or Lemon Zinger or Indian Spiced Chai Tea or hot choklit.

I must admit we are spoiled at work being blessed with about 8 varieties of coffee, tea, and hot choklit to choose from!

They are in those little Keurig cups.
No. 73     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 8:22 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

Survivor -- well thanks for sharing that information about straw usage. I certainly will consider it


Not to mention that plastic drinking straws rank as one of the most dangerous single-use plastic products contributing to the devastating loss of our marine life. Americans are using them by the hundreds of millions without any clue they are so damaging.
No. 74     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 8:25 AM     
I have not taken the time to read the details yet, but I just received an email health newsletter that shares that coffee now ranks amongst cancer causing substances.

But what does not these days.
No. 75     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 27, 2017 at 11:56 PM     
I must say we are becoming quite spoiled at work.

This client takes their coffee pretty seriously!

In addition to the 9 different types of Keurig Coffee, Teas, and Hot Choklit they already have I come into work tonight and was surprised to see yet 4 MORE varieties they have never offered here! :icon_eek::spot1:

Vanilla Biscotti
Italian Roast
Donut Shop (A generic Dunkin Donuts type)
Cafe Escapes Chatte' Lite

So I decided on trying the Vanilla Biscotti. As it was brewing I could already smell the Vanilla. It is pretty good! -->>:coffeenpc:

We have 4 different varieties of Gatorade to choose from also. It is in large pump bottles at 3 stations throughout the plant so you have shoot 1-2 squirts then add water to your cup or bottle.

They usually only have that out during the warmer months, not in winter. Still have it available for now though.
No. 76     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 29, 2017 at 12:05 AM     
BF -- Keurig puts out an awesome Chia tea that I've tried (I put milk in Chia tea, but not other types of tea). You should try it if it's available!!



As far as coffee and me though ... I think coffee was a phase for me at this point (I think it was 10 days ago that I had a cup and I've lost my desire for coffee for some reason). My favorite kind was with clove and honey though (Ethiopian).


No. 77     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 29, 2017 at 2:08 AM     
CAsandie wrote:

BF -- Keurig puts out an awesome Chia tea that I've tried (I put milk in Chia tea, but not other types of tea). You should try it if it's available!!



As far as coffee and me though ... I think coffee was a phase for me at this point (I think it was 10 days ago that I had a cup and I've lost my desire for coffee for some reason). My favorite kind was with clove and honey though (Ethiopian).




Chia or Chai tea.

You sure you're just not mispelling it???
No. 78     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Sep 29, 2017 at 4:28 AM     

Typo -- sorry. Chai Tea.

No. 79     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 29, 2017 at 8:11 AM     
CAsandie wrote:


Typo -- sorry. Chai Tea.



We have spiced chai tea at work. It is pretty good and has a lot of spices. That one is by Celestial Seasonings.

The new Chai Latte I tried last night was really good!

The Italian coffee I tried Wednesday night and it tasted so strong it was like mud. Way too potent for me, black sludge! I'll be scratching that one off the list...

The vanilla coffee was really good too.
No. 80     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  tominsd62   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Sep 29, 2017 at 11:05 PM     
I've heard that coffee is good for us. Only if black. I drink decaf only. I grind the beans. And I pour hot water into a draining cup with a filter. I do not use a coffee maker. I've heard that all kinds of mold and bacteria builds up where there's moisture in unseen areas while the coffee maker is not being used.

Drinking coffee out of a coffee pot from a coffee machine is supposed to the most gross thing to do.
No. 81     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Sep 29, 2017 at 11:18 PM     
Huh? Never heard of decaffeinated coffee beans!

on the other hand i've been told i'm a psychopath
because i eat radishes and drink strong black coffee
((laugh))
No. 82     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 11:56 AM     
Radishes I believe are good for us...aren't they?

Thanks everyone for your thoughts here in this thread. So, I have done my own test now and I'm just sharing my own personal experience here: I quit drinking coffee for over a month (even when my Mom was in the hospital). I drank vitamin water, water and cranberry juice solely for one month.

Someone stated that it caused 'bags under our eyes' -- I don't have scientific evidence of this, but I will state it appears so (I had developed a slight bagging and it seemed to have diminished greatly now. My teeth also are much whiter).

My other concern on coffee is the affect on the heart. As we age, we have to be particular careful and much like nicotine, caffeine is a stimulant (a strong one). Unnatural or drug induced 'racing of the heart can weaken the heart just as alcohol weakens the heart from 'lessening' (unnaturally) heart movement as a depressant.

So for me -- after a great deal of analysis (months actually), it is my personal belief that the risks outweigh the benefits (we can take antioxidants without consuming coffee).

That said, in moderation ... one might be able to take in the benefits without the negative side affects (so once or twice a week over daily or all day long consuming anything but water which the Lord gave us to perfectly hydrate us). Which brings me to my last concern. Coffee is s diuretic (it dehydrates us). Even if it does contain benefits...are they remaining in the body? (you urinate a lot when drinking coffee)! This can flush out other nutrients as well digested.

So to each, we have to address not what we 'like,' but both the risks and benefits, imho of all things taken into our bodies.

Thanks everyone for your own thoughts here (it's been helpful. I actually decided to quit to see if it would help with my joints ... quitting did not do that, but I saw a significant improvement in my sleep pattern as well without coffee regardless of not drinking any close to bed time).

No. 83     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Birchman   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 12:35 PM     
This is a great topic, Sandie

I've been "all over the playing board" when it comes to coffee. First, a coffee hater; then, a coffee fanatic (10 cups a day during morning Bible study); then, a coffee quitter and a couple years of green tea etc.; and now, back to 4-6 cups of coffee a day, mostly while at work.

As for health benefits, there are some incredible medical studies in the last three years that are almost all positive when it comes to the health benefits of coffee.

The website below (that I find credible) lists 13 medically proven benefits of coffee drinking:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-13-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coffee#section2

I started hearing about some of these studies in the last two years and have decided to drink coffee every day the rest of my life. Why? The studies listed in the above website share the following findings:

13 Health Benefits of Coffee, Based on Science

1. Coffee Can Improve Energy Levels and Make You "Smarter" or "Energized" (caffeine increases alertness and increases energy levels)
[In the brain, caffeine blocks an inhibitory neurotransmitter called Adenosine, and the amount of other neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine actually increases, leading to enhanced firing of neurons].

2. Coffee Can Help You Burn Fat
[Almost every commercial fat burning supplement contains caffeine. Caffeine can specifically increase the burning of fat, by as much as 10% in obese individuals and 29% in lean people]

3. The Caffeine Can Drastically Improve Physical Performance
[increases Epinephrine (Adrenaline) levels in the blood which is the "fight or flight" hormone, designed to make our bodies ready for intense physical exertion]

4. Coffee Contains Essential Nutrients
[A cup of coffee contains vitamins and nutrients including:
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2): 11% of the RDA.
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5): 6% of the RDA.
Manganese and Potassium: 3% of the RDA.
Magnesium and Niacin (B3): 2% of the RDA.
If you drink 2-4 cups of coffee, these nutrients become significant

5. Coffee May Lower Your Risk of Type II Diabetes
[people who drink the most coffee have a 23-50% lower risk of getting this disease, one study showing a reduction as high as 67%. A massive review of data from 18 studies with a total of 457,922 individuals found that each daily cup of coffee was associated with a 7% reduced risk of developing type 2 diabetes]

6. Coffee May Protect You From Alzheimer's Disease and Dementia
[One study found that coffee drinkers have up to a 65% lower risk of getting Alzheimer's disease]

7. Caffeine May Lower The Risk of Parkinson's Disease
[Studies of coffee drinkers found they have a much lower risk of developing Parkinson's disease, with a reduction in risk ranging from 32-60%]

8. Coffee Appears to Have Protective Effects on The Liver
[People who drink 4 or more cups per day have up to an 80% lower risk of cirrhosis of the liver]

9. Coffee Can Fight Depression and Make You Happier
[A Harvard study published in 2011 found that women who drank 4 or more cups per day had a 20% lower risk of becoming depressed and another study with 208,424 individuals found that those who drank 4 or more cups per day were 53% less likely to commit suicide.]

10. Coffee Drinkers Have a Lower Risk of Some Types of Cancer Including Colon and Liver Cancer
[Studies show that coffee drinkers have up to a 40% lower risk of liver cancer, and a study of 489,706 individuals found that those who drank 4-5 cups of coffee per day had a 15% lower risk of colorectal cancer.]

11. Lower risk of stroke
[Some studies also show that coffee drinkers have a 20% lower risk of stroke].

12. Coffee May Help You Live Longer
[In two very large studies, drinking coffee was associated with a 20% lower risk of death in men and a 26% lower risk of death in women, over a period of 18-24 years].

13. Coffee is The Biggest Source of Antioxidants in The Western Diet
[Three studies show that most people get more antioxidants from coffee than both fruits and vegetables... combined.]

The above benefits are documented in at least 53 studies that you can reference on the website I've listed above.

So, I will always drink coffee and hope that some of these benefits extend my life.

Birchman
No. 84     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 12:41 PM     
Caffeine "constricts" the blood vessels thus increasing blood pressure.

https://www.livestrong.com/article/395736-does-caffeine-constrict-blood-vessels/

And if you have clogged or partially clogged arteries drinking too much of it could set off a heart attack.

Moderation, 1 or 2 cups at most.
No. 85     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 12:42 PM     
Thanks for your thoughts, Birchman. It's nice to see you post (haven't seen you post in a bit)! Blessings!

No. 86     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  insular926   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 12:56 PM     
yes
No. 87     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 1:10 PM     
insular926 wrote:

yes


Thanks Insular for chiming in with your belief.

No. 88     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Oct 21, 2017 at 1:14 PM     
tominsd62 wrote:

I've heard that coffee is good for us. Only if black. I drink decaf only. I grind the beans. And I pour hot water into a draining cup with a filter. I do not use a coffee maker. I've heard that all kinds of mold and bacteria builds up where there's moisture in unseen areas while the coffee maker is not being used.

Drinking coffee out of a coffee pot from a coffee machine is supposed to the most gross thing to do.


Tom -- Thanks for your post! Consider in motel/hotels that the coffee machine is normally situated close to the bathroom (unless having a suite). I've watched news reports on the filth in bathroom areas (I keep my toothbrushes in the medicine cabinet for this reason)!

Modified to add this article about 'plastic' coffee makers for consideration:

https://www.ecowatch.com/is-your-coffee-maker-toxic-1882007286.html

No. 89     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 11:41 PM     
The situation at work has reached the critical level.

We have been out of Coffee all week, only Teas of various types remain. And Hot Choklit.

Tonight I used my last tube of instant coffee crystals I had bought for camping a few months ago. I was using these as emergency reserves at work in case they ran out of Keurig cups, which they did.

I think I had better buy a small jar of instant coffee tomorrow to keep in our desk here at work as a backup just in case.

I already keep a number of various Herbal and Green Teas of my own as backups here at work and use them from time to time so I always have that if nothing else.
No. 90     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 7:18 AM     
Birchman wrote:
9. Coffee Can Fight Depression and Make You Happier
[A Harvard study published in 2011 found that women who drank 4 or more cups per day had a 20% lower risk of becoming depressed and another study with 208,424 individuals found that those who drank 4 or more cups per day were 53% less likely to commit suicide.]


Probably going to need coffee then.

Coffee drinkers are more likely to remain single. A growing trend indicates that many cannot stand the smell of coffee on a significant other or the taste when they kiss.

Use of coffee in some circles has diminished greatly, becoming despised as much as alcohol and cigarette use.
No. 91     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 7:42 AM     
Birchman wrote:As for health benefits, there are some incredible medical studies in the last three years that are almost all positive when it comes to the health benefits of coffee.

The website below (that I find credible) lists 13 medically proven benefits of coffee drinking:

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-13-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coffee#section2



Although I have personally read a lot of recent studies much to the contrary above, I have come to accept there has to be some positive health benefits related to coffee. But research also indicates the negatives more than outweigh the positives. And what positives there are, can be achieved in much more healthy manners than consuming coffee. In my opinion, also much more enjoyable and/or palatable if via drink or food.

Never really being a coffee drinker, it has never been a concern for me directly. But I have a couple loved ones that drink coffee a lot, which does concern me. My advice to lessen or stop coffee based on research did not seem to influence the loved ones in the slightest, but they have recently reported to me their doctors have advised them to quit coffee or at least restrict their intake to like no more than 2 cups per day.

I am in a formal gym a lot. I have yet to meet an instructor or trainer were as the standard motto uttered by them has not been like "no caffeine, no sugar". Although I rarely attend the trainer directed classes at the gym, I am near the class groups and overhear those words most every class.
No. 92     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 8:02 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:
It is a known scientific fact that drinking a cup of coffee with meals decreases the absorption of essential minerals. Caffeine and other constituents in coffee cause the body to excrete minerals in the urine, especially calcium, potassium, magnesium, sodium, phosphate, vitamin D, zinc and iron. I am one that makes extra effort to add such to my diet. Therefore also strive to not consume something extra that is going to make that effort for naught.


The above is known scientific fact documented in many studies on coffee consumption. As well as products such as coffee containing caffeine are clearly known to negatively play with natural levels of hormones. Caffeine particularly results in unhealthy levels of cortisol.

At least for me personally, when it comes to drinking coffee for any potential health reasons, it would be a serious trade-off in the wrong direction. I would rather pursue whatever positive benefits coffee is found to provide by other means, rather than experience the known negatives of drinking coffee.

And I have not even started to talk about coffee effects on teeth.
No. 93     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 5:52 PM     

BF and Survivor -- Thank for your different thoughts about the topic.

No. 94     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 8:49 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Coffee drinkers are more likely to remain single. A growing trend indicates that many cannot stand the smell of coffee on a significant other or the taste when they kiss.

Use of coffee in some circles has diminished greatly, becoming despised as much as alcohol and cigarette use.


LOL. I have never heard such a thing...ever, in any circles, office, Executives, white collar, blue collar, no one.

Coffee has always been, "king" everywhere I go.
No. 95     Reply: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Nov 3, 2017 at 8:53 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

The situation at work has reached the critical level.

We have been out of Coffee all week, only Teas of various types remain. And Hot Choklit.

Tonight I used my last tube of instant coffee crystals I had bought for camping a few months ago. I was using these as emergency reserves at work in case they ran out of Keurig cups, which they did.

I think I had better buy a small jar of instant coffee tomorrow to keep in our desk here at work as a backup just in case.

I already keep a number of various Herbal and Green Teas of my own as backups here at work and use them from time to time so I always have that if nothing else.


Well the coffee was supposed to have arrived today. I'll find out when I get to work.

I did find a small stash of Donut Shop Keurig cups in one of the Conference rooms last night though! :bowdown:

Coffee for me is more important on weekends when I do 12 hour shifts than during the week when I only do 6 hour shifts.
No. 96     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 4, 2017 at 6:25 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Coffee drinkers are more likely to remain single. A growing trend indicates that many cannot stand the smell of coffee on a significant other or the taste when they kiss.

Use of coffee in some circles has diminished greatly, becoming despised as much as alcohol and cigarette use.


LOL. I have never heard such a thing...ever, in any circles, office, Executives, white collar, blue collar, no one.

Coffee has always been, "king" everywhere I go.


The staying single part was posted in jest as a "poke" to Birch.

But the rest is becoming quite common. Data indicates more and more are found to not be drinking coffee or greatly reducing consumption for a variety of reasons. Thus the scramble within the industry to be offering the latest flavor or variation to entice interest and/or the easiest or best way to make coffee.
No. 97     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Birchman   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  Nov 4, 2017 at 2:12 PM     
Survivor mentioned that:

coffee can reduce absorption of key minerals and vitamins if consumed with a meal.


I had not heard this before and rarely drink coffee with a meal. But, I believe this warning could be on target. While I usually don't drink coffee with meals, I plan to discontinue doing this all together. Probably 1 of 10 cups of coffee I drink have been with meals....I'll be careful to have coffee as a stand-alone drink in the future.

Survivor also referred to warnings by doctors and trainers to cut caffeine (and sugar) due to concerns with heart health:

I checked the article I mentioned above [source: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/top-13-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coffee#section2], and the article does discuss caffeine and how it affects blood pressure, heart disease, and strokes.

The article acknowledges that blood pressure is increased (although the effect can disappear for some people once a person gets accustomed to coffee as a regular drink); thus, those with high blood pressure should monitor their blood pressure with and without coffee to see if it increases risks of health problems. Overall, though, the article cites studies that blood pressure increases may be only temporary, heart disease may actually be decreased, and the risk of strokes has decreased as well by 20% among coffee users (versus nonusers). The paragraph on this subject from ..... is below:

"It is often claimed that caffeine can increase blood pressure.

This is true [that blood pressure can increase with coffee use], but the effect is small (3-4 mm/Hg) and usually goes away if you drink coffee regularly (44, 45).

However, the effect may persist in some people, so keep that in mind if you have elevated blood pressure (46, 47).

That being said, the studies do NOT support the myth that coffee raises the risk of heart disease (48, 49).

In fact, there is some evidence that women who drink coffee have a reduced risk of heart disease (50).

Some studies also show that coffee drinkers have a 20% lower risk of stroke (study citations number 51, 52)."

It appears to me based on studies in this article that coffee/caffeine is more beneficial than not when it comes to heart and circulatory health. Yet, those with high blood pressure should test the effect of coffee to see how much it affects them, plus consult with a physician if coffee has been mentioned as a no no.

Birchman
No. 98     Reply: Re: Coffee: is it good for us?   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Nov 23, 2017 at 4:07 PM     
Health Benefits of Coffee: Three or Four Cups Per Day Does Far More Good Than Bad

http://www.newsweek.com/coffee-health-benefits-three-cups-day-720658