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No. 0     Original Topic:  Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 16, 2016 at 6:16 PM   Viewed 4395 times     
No commentary on the OP...just my picks and opinions from personal research:

STOCKS: Risky, with a likely crash coming. Money can still be made here, but you better know what you're doing.

BONDS: If you consider bonds safe, you're probably buying swampland too.

BITCOIN: Up 75% this year, and continuing to go up. Much more stability with this platform than before, with a greatly widening acceptance.

***************************PRECIOUS METALS****************************

GOLD: Gold has been ongoing artificially surpressed once again, but market forces will not drag on forever, and it is likely that gold will have a big breakout, huge, very soon. If you don't have any yet, what are you waiting for?

SILVER: Still an excellent buy. Silver is more volatile than gold, but huge upswings are in the future.

Stay away from ETF's on gold and silver and go for the physical possession. Smart investors will store much offshore in certified vaults.
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INTERNET BUSINESSES: You can't invest money if you don't have it. The Internet offers many sorts of businesses that normal people can begin and have success with...

E-COMMERCE: One of the most popular ways to make good money selling on Ebay and Amazon.

AFFILIATE SELLING: Selling the products of others on platforms such as Clickbank and JVZoo, earning a one-time commission for each sale

NETWORK MARKETING: MLM is still alive and well, with millions making a good living with it online.

BLOGGING & PODCASTING: Talk online about your interest and monetize it through blogging and podcasting.

REV-SHARES: Online purchasing of advertising blocks. Volatile. High-risk but can be rewarding for those who know what they are doing.

All of these methods mentioned, and more, are not only legitimate, but have many thousands earning income from each and every one method. Obviously, there are many scams out there also, so one needs to exercise due diligence, but if you are not in a position to invest larger sums of money in various investments, then starting your own internet company for smaller amounts of money may be just the ticket.

YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO GET OUT OF USD-DENOMINATED ASSETS. The US dollar is riding high right now, but those who truly understand the economy know that the dollar should be shorted...SOON!


2017 will be a year of great volatility and uncertainty in financial markets, but it will be an excellent year for those who exercise wisdom & boldness combined.

No. 1     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 60   on  Dec 16, 2016 at 10:50 PM     
volatility is good, would encourage folks to invest in hard assets
that have a verifiable loan value that lenders and banks pay attention
to and use in day to day business transactions.

and for example i couldn't find a book value on a 6 passenger
Vantage electric street model Van with '158 miles' (ac and heat) on it, so i called a dealer in DC and he told me the same thing i already figured, try to get it for a thousand, so even if it needs batteries or tires installed...

I can still sell it for much less than any street legal LSMV advertised anywhere on the internet and still make good money.

dont fall for the sit behind yer pooter internet BS, cuz if ya cant touch it ya dont own it, let alone sell it.

as far as AU and AG "BTD" buy the dip & hang on to it if ya can afford it.
you wont lose in the long run especially since FEDS will raise rates.
No. 2     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 17, 2016 at 12:06 AM     

Crayons -- the auto/truck resale business is good business! I have been following the auctions ever since you shared with me how to do so and vehicles go so ridiculously cheap!

(in case I failed to thank you -- TY, you taught me something purty cool).


Storm -- Gold used to be stable (and at a low) until around 2004. Gold is at 2010 prices now, but did it have a bubble in 2011 and 2012 and could we still be in a bubble situation? We talk about the Market being in a potential bubble, but this is possible with all traded resources/goods. What are your thoughts?

https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do

If the world moves to a cashless system how do you believe this would affect gold ownership?
No. 3     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  texascowgirl283   Gender: F   Age: 50   on  Dec 17, 2016 at 11:49 AM     
I wish I had some money to put anywhere lol
No. 4     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 17, 2016 at 3:35 PM     
CAsandie wrote:



Storm -- Gold used to be stable (and at a low) until around 2004. Gold is at 2010 prices now, but did it have a bubble in 2011 and 2012 and could we still be in a bubble situation?


Depends on how you look at it. If you go from the standpoint of the dollar being your baseline, then sure, gold varies quite a bit.

But that way of thinking is not true money, and dangerous to boot, for you end up making decisions based on a fiat baseline, and fiat money is deceptive (among all the other ills).

Instead, if you look at gold as the closest thing to true money there is, then there is no bubble for gold remains consist in value (the things it can purchase).


We talk about the Market being in a potential bubble, but this is possible with all traded resources/goods. What are your thoughts?

https://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do


I'd strongly recommend everyone going to Mike Maloney's Youtube channel and watch his videos on the nature of money. The long term value you can get from this sort of education is incalcuable.

All Mike's videos are great, but he has a playlist titled, "The Hidden Secrets of Money," which might be a good place to start. There is a series of 7 videos, each around 25-30 minutes each...




If the world moves to a cashless system how do you believe this would affect gold ownership?


Gold's going to shoot up no matter what, but a cashless system might give it even more steam, though in such a scenario I'd store my gold offshore for in a cashless system the government will be very jealous of gold's value. But since only a small fraction of Americans own gold, instead of confiscating it this time, they might just make it illegal to use (which is another reason to be diversified as well as offshore holdings). Actually, it is already illegal to use as legal tender, but the government in a cashless scenario could make it illegal to buy or sell...and likely would.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 17, 2016 at 8:04 PM     
texascowgirl283 wrote:

I wish I had some money to put anywhere lol


The best investment you can make is with your education...your mind...tcg. I've just put up a link that costs you nothing beyond effort to learn. It's up to you to take it.
No. 6     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 102   on  Dec 17, 2016 at 8:57 PM     
CAsandie wrote:
If the world moves to a cashless system how do you believe this would affect gold ownership?


Depends on what you are calling "cashless". There is going to be a medium of exchange regardless or "currency".

Whatever it is, I think it will be very good for gold and other precious metals. If going up in value is what you call "good".

I am not sure what may be adopted as a digital currency. Bitcoin appears to be the favorite "underground" alternative, but precious metal backed digital currencies are now out there. I own a digital currency backed by gold. There is a another backed by platinum. Then again, these are maybe only good for their value as long as an entity exists pledging the backing.

The idea of a "decentralized" currency is not new. It dates back to at least Ben Franklin whom felt something more stable than gold should be the choice. He proposed land be used to back currency. I have read elsewhere that Franklin even suggested commodities such as agriculture produced to back currency. I am not sure how feasible such would in today's modern fast changing and volatile economy.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 54   on  Dec 18, 2016 at 8:20 PM     
I'm putting my $ on Trump.

I think he will win. :smile:
No. 8     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 18, 2016 at 8:50 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I am not sure what may be adopted as a digital currency. Bitcoin appears to be the favorite "underground" alternative, but precious metal backed digital currencies are now out there. I own a digital currency backed by gold. There is a another backed by platinum. Then again, these are maybe only good for their value as long as an entity exists pledging the backing.


The government and bankers have been more and more interested in blockchain technology, but I doubt they would be because of decentralization.


The idea of a "decentralized" currency is not new. It dates back to at least Ben Franklin whom felt something more stable than gold should be the choice. He proposed land be used to back currency. I have read elsewhere that Franklin even suggested commodities such as agriculture produced to back currency. I am not sure how feasible such would in today's modern fast changing and volatile economy.


I read somewhere recently that using land to back up currency would not be practical in today's financial climate.
No. 9     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 19, 2016 at 12:53 PM     
One thing that is important behind all of this (besides WHO is behind it) is the understanding that there is a HUGE transfer of wealth occurring; not occurring in the future, but occurring NOW.

Wealth/money never really disappears, with the exception of destruction through a diaster. Those who lost their wealth in the Depresssion may have thought their wealth disappeared, but it didn't. Instead, it went to those it is 'disappearing' to now - the Globalists; the banksters.

Back to the point - wealth is being transferred from the little guys, the normal people, the 'deplorables,' to the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, etc. As individuals we may not be able to stop that, even with a Trump presidential win. But one thing we can do is get out in front of it, just like the elites are doing.

What does that mean? We do as they do. The elites are buying gold and other precious metals. They are buying Fine Art. They might be buying land. We can do these things also, as best as we can. Certainly buying precious metals is open to anyone, except maybe the homeless. We have been deceived into thinking gold is bad, bad, bad, but that is what they want us to think, and it's worked pretty well for them as most Americans do not own a speck of gold other than what may be in their jewelry.

But Americans have been lulled to sleep, encouraged by the government to get into debt, buy on credit, and have no real monetary savings other than what is in US dollars - dollars which are controlled by others through the FED, and through the banks holding them in digital form, a switch that can (and will be) turned off with a keyboard stroke.

THAT is why those who trust in stock gains only are deceived and doomed to financial destruction. All their so-called gains will be dust in the wind. Only those who have done what the elites are doing will have a decent chance of financial health when the dust shakes out.

Saying you trust in God is well and fine, but that doesn't really protect you from the storm. God will help you survive it but He generally doesn't financially reward the foolish who do not use their wits to understand the signs of the time, as the men of Issachar did and prospered.

So keeping your wits about you and understand the coming storm, however mild or bad it will be, will enable you to not only survive, but be a boon to others less well off who foolishly didn't make the right decisions and thought that knew what they were doing, whether it was running up their debt, not doing any preparation, or even attending church weekly and thinking they were safe from financial destruction.

Positioning yourself with precious metals, doing various preps like food storage, gun education and acquisition, and even medicine preps (like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi2hoZK_5A) will likely pay off in a big way.

Remaining a couch potato depending on stock investments and government help in disasters will most likely not.
No. 10     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 19, 2016 at 1:29 PM     
Men -- Thanks for your thoughts. I think I will leave any investments thoughts I have in the frothy bubble thread (perhaps some differing thoughts, but certainly not without respect for your own).

TCG -- Judy used to say she was worth a million and I think she was. We are not defined but what we own, how popular our opinions are (or even how popular we are for that matter), how much knowledge we hold, who's on first base, how much work we accomplish or even intelligence we have, but by the love we hold in the Good Lord's Commandment set before us. So, if we Love the Lord with all our heart by following His Commandment (which is to love) and love others as well -- then we are fairly wealthy I'd say.



No. 11     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM     
Bouncing off my previous post, another thought that occurs is the common knowledge that has been in the news that America is losing its middle class.

Where's it going?

Well, obviously the people are still here (unless they wised up and fled the country), so what does that mean?

Simply that our money is not worth what it was, even from a few years ago. What is really astonishing, if you think about it, is that ever since we got our (Communist) central bank, the Fed, in 1913, the value of the dollar has decreased by 95˘ through the central bank's efforts to manipulate money.

Guess what?

They're still doing it, and our currency continues to slip down to its intrinsic value (zero). And so our middle class continues to crumble. A country cannot stay free and strong without a strong middle class.

Goodbye America.

Maybe Trump can hold off the juggernaunt. I'd like to believe that, but we'll see.
No. 12     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 8:28 AM     
Storm, are you discussing the hourglass society here in the US (where our baby boomers are becoming of a retirement age [so not working] and so there are more children and retired people than middle class workers) and Forex reserves (as related or an indicator)?

Our Forex reserve does leave a lot to desire (with China leading)...you are sure correct there (as does our hourglass society with less middle class workers and retiring workers in the mist of social security being overdrawn/mismanaged which presents a problem for government to manage).

The Central bank in the end (as an independent, albeit influenced by our government) needed another Greenspan to chair it. Greenspan was correct so many years ago ... interest rates needed to be raised long ago....but the other variables at play (GDP, unemployment rates, etc.)...didn't support a stable economy.

We saw a shift lately in this direction though with our two minor interest rate hikes that affected the value of the dollar on a positive note.

(pun not intended :-p).

In short: I am hopeful...we have to wait to see is correct, but rather hopeful with the recent interest hikes and no real major housing or market fluctuations (very quick recoveries). I think inch by inch we will get there unless the path is altered drastically.

So we shall see is correct. Does that mean you are thinking about remaining in the US?


No. 13     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  jadefox   Gender: F   Age: 57   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 9:18 AM     
My "investments" besides my children aren't in stocks or bonds, unless you count my pensions that have been invested for me by someone else. They are heavily invested in stock portfolios I.don't.manage.

And work. Like millions of other Americans, I'm still just a paycheck away from foreclosure; repossession, you name it.

I work to pay the piper. When/if I ever am able to retire will be living off the investments made by others into a pension fund I don't manage.
No. 14     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 12:15 PM     
If someone was doing their own investing these are some great tips. Being retired, Dan and I have income that isn't based on an employer but pensions, trusts, and social security.

Larger amounts of cash are in 401K's. For that we have them in the least amount of risk places... which is recommended when you're not feeding a 401K but now will only be using it if needed.

Our home is paid for and we have no outstanding loans. I remember well the years of struggle and living pay check to pay check to get to this place. For both he and I. When little kids were going to need health care and college dreams fulfilled. So glad that's all behind us.

No. 15     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 6:13 PM     
CAsandie wrote:



So we shall see is correct. Does that mean you are thinking about remaining in the US?




It means, with the election of Trump, perhaps a little less push towards relocating. In fact, today I bought a car and I wasn't going to do that. I'm still going to focus on getting that 2nd Passport.
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 7:23 PM     
Kari wrote:

If someone was doing their own investing these are some great tips. Being retired, Dan and I have income that isn't based on an employer but pensions, trusts, and social security.

Larger amounts of cash are in 401K's. For that we have them in the least amount of risk places... which is recommended when you're not feeding a 401K but now will only be using it if needed.

Our home is paid for and we have no outstanding loans. I remember well the years of struggle and living pay check to pay check to get to this place. For both he and I. When little kids were going to need health care and college dreams fulfilled. So glad that's all behind us.



Being out of debt, or mostly so, is outstanding, Kari. There WILL be a point in the future, if not now, where you will be blessed to be in that condition.

I have funded my offshore accounts and investments strictly from my (part-time) pension, which is pretty low as pensions go. I don't draw SS yet, though I should and I really need to get going on that.

I do make internet income now, but all that is being 100% re-invested. The point being, at first I strictly used funds from my minimal pension and it does grow over time if you stay consistent with your goals. Oh, and I got out of debt before I retired and I tend to live a minimalist life as far as spending money, which allowed me to begin taking ocean cruises shortly before I retired. Following that strategy, I now have offshore accounts in Singapore and Hong Kong, with gold, silver, and palladium, have acquired permanent residency in the Dominican Republic, have traveled down there a couple of times for that purpose, and today I bought a 'new' (used) car...a nice one, all with cash. I plan a trip to Ukraine in the coming year, more trips to the Dominican Republic, and after I get a hitch on my new car, more trips out to the US West this summer...again, all based on my low pension (though my online businesses are growing and I will soon be drawing income from them rather than just reinvesting everything as I am doing now).

One can do a lot of things when one puts one's mind to it.
No. 17     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 7:45 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Kari wrote:

If someone was doing their own investing these are some great tips. Being retired, Dan and I have income that isn't based on an employer but pensions, trusts, and social security.

Larger amounts of cash are in 401K's. For that we have them in the least amount of risk places... which is recommended when you're not feeding a 401K but now will only be using it if needed.

Our home is paid for and we have no outstanding loans. I remember well the years of struggle and living pay check to pay check to get to this place. For both he and I. When little kids were going to need health care and college dreams fulfilled. So glad that's all behind us.



Being out of debt, or mostly so, is outstanding, Kari. There WILL be a point in the future, if not now, where you will be blessed to be in that condition.

I have funded my offshore accounts and investments strictly from my (part-time) pension, which is pretty low as pensions go. I don't draw SS yet, though I should and I really need to get going on that.

I do make internet income now, but all that is being 100% re-invested. The point being, at first I strictly used funds from my minimal pension and it does grow over time if you stay consistent with your goals. Oh, and I got out of debt before I retired and I tend to live a minimalist life as far as spending money, which allowed me to begin taking ocean cruises shortly before I retired. Following that strategy, I now have offshore accounts in Singapore and Hong Kong, with gold, silver, and palladium, have acquired permanent residency in the Dominican Republic, have traveled down there a couple of times for that purpose, and today I bought a 'new' (used) car...a nice one, all with cash. I plan a trip to Ukraine in the coming year, more trips to the Dominican Republic, and after I get a hitch on my new car, more trips out to the US West this summer...again, all based on my low pension (though my online businesses are growing and I will soon be drawing income from them rather than just reinvesting everything as I am doing now).

One can do a lot of things when one puts one's mind to it.


That's really impressive, Storm. I know how hard it was for you to get back on your feet after so many struggles. To be able to do the cruises and the travel.. and buy a car with cash now... that is just plain awesome. Really happy for you.


Dan just bought a new truck today. With his trade in and cash.... it's paid for. He's pretty happy..... I haven't even seen it yet, lol, he's still on his way home from the trip to buy it. Several hours away.

I sure know the relief that comes with not being in debt.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 20, 2016 at 7:51 PM     
CAsandie wrote:

Storm, are you discussing the hourglass society here in the US (where our baby boomers are becoming of a retirement age [so not working] and so there are more children and retired people than middle class workers) and Forex reserves (as related or an indicator)?


Not sure if I've read about the "hourglass" paradigm, though I don't doubt that it might be true, and if true, just think...if the middle class is even less people because of the hourglass idea, and if we are still losing the smaller (implied) middle class, the we are really in trouble!


Our Forex reserve does leave a lot to desire (with China leading)...you are sure correct there (as does our hourglass society with less middle class workers and retiring workers in the mist of social security being overdrawn/mismanaged which presents a problem for government to manage).

The Central bank in the end (as an independent, albeit influenced by our government) needed another Greenspan to chair it. Greenspan was correct so many years ago ... interest rates needed to be raised long ago....but the other variables at play (GDP, unemployment rates, etc.)...didn't support a stable economy.


Greenspan is a discombobulation, having originally been a sound-money guy, then abruptly changing into a Keynesian while head of the FEC FED (lol, a typo I decided to leave in. The FED and Greenspan are sort of FECkless, IMHO), and now beginning (or so it seems) in regaining some common sense.

Paul Volcker, Greenspan's predecessor, was MUCH more impressive in restoring fiscal discipline upon the economy in the Reagan era, when we became the world's top creditor-nation, unlike now where we are the world's worst debtor-nation. He was far from perfect even so, but he was light-years ahead of the others.



We saw a shift lately in this direction though with our two minor interest rate hikes that affected the value of the dollar on a positive note.


I suppose that would depend on what you mean by "positive." A strong dollar can be a good thing, given the right circumstances. I don't consider where we are now are the right circumstances. The dollar, for the moment 'strong', is artificially propped up by the FED, a sort of bubble situation of its own in a way. Don't look for it to stay there.
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 21, 2016 at 6:09 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

CAsandie wrote:



So we shall see is correct. Does that mean you are thinking about remaining in the US?




It means, with the election of Trump, perhaps a little less push towards relocating. In fact, today I bought a car and I wasn't going to do that. I'm still going to focus on getting that 2nd Passport.


Congrads on your new car (a great Christmas gift for 'you'). . Having just been through it early this year (SUV for my Mom) -- I understand the added time factor.

No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  CAsandie   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 21, 2016 at 6:39 PM     
Stormchaser wrote: Not sure if I've read about the "hourglass" paradigm, though I don't doubt that it might be true, and if true, just think...if the middle class is even less people because of the hourglass idea, and if we are still losing the smaller (implied) middle class, the we are really in trouble!


Well the term hourglass society is more popularly used to describe more "higher earners" and "low income" than middle class workers [who as you know pay more taxes]. It was used to describe age demographics as well when I was in college [eons ago]. Since the middle class pay the taxes, it creates the same problem (outlays without enough inlays).

I had a professor that many disliked, but I loved the guy. His class was one of the hardest classes ever taken. He predicted what is occurring now (actually text books as well as far as babyboomers getting older while more births are occurring and the middle class dwindling).

One of the major problems being discussed among the gov's economic problems is social security mismanagement in consideration of all the babyboomers coming to age. With the growing number of retirees...and the pending "empty pockets" of the SSA...we have 8 years and the SSA can't deliver. In 4 years it will begin if not replenished. This was discussed in the recent debates.

No. 21     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 54   on  Dec 22, 2016 at 12:37 AM     
Well today I decided to finally start socking $ away for a vehicle.

Main reason being I cannot easily get to my miniwarehouse, in winter anyway.

In Summer using a combination of Bus/Bicycle it would be easy. or even Bicycle alone but not right now.

I just received an order from a customer today and the jacket is in there in storage. I have other reasons I need to get in there for other stuff but that is one of them.

Will have to make a special trip on a day off maybe next week.

It will be about a 2.5 mile walk from the Bus stop. Fortunately there are plenty of fast food places nearby when I get on or off the Bus there.

Plus I need to pick up some plywood and the Bus drivers may have issues with me trying to bring 4'x8' sheets of plywood on board. :no-no:

May not drive the vehicle all the time because it will actually still be cheaper taking the Bus.

Will probably drive on weekends since that takes me a long time via Train. Less traffic on weekends too, usually.
No. 22     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 102   on  Dec 22, 2016 at 9:33 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Well today I decided to finally start socking $ away for a vehicle.

Main reason being I cannot easily get to my miniwarehouse, in winter anyway.

In Summer using a combination of Bus/Bicycle it would be easy. or even Bicycle alone but not right now.

I just received an order from a customer today and the jacket is in there in storage. I have other reasons I need to get in there for other stuff but that is one of them.

Will have to make a special trip on a day off maybe next week.

It will be about a 2.5 mile walk from the Bus stop. Fortunately there are plenty of fast food places nearby when I get on or off the Bus there.

Plus I need to pick up some plywood and the Bus drivers may have issues with me trying to bring 4'x8' sheets of plywood on board. :no-no:

May not drive the vehicle all the time because it will actually still be cheaper taking the Bus.

Will probably drive on weekends since that takes me a long time via Train. Less traffic on weekends too, usually.


sure understand that. using public transportation has some great advantages. But there are times when you really could use your own car or pickup. Like this time, for you.
No. 23     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 22, 2016 at 10:39 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Well today I decided to finally start socking $ away for a vehicle.



What happened to that HHR you used to have?
No. 24     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  jadefox   Gender: F   Age: 57   on  Dec 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM     
Well, I have to keep working because I cannot afford to retire yet.

Without my employer investing into a pension fund for me, I wouldn't have a pension in my old age to look forward to.

The only 401k I had was when I worked for the federal government. During a recession, it lost 2/3 its value, and it never regained it. By then my children were in college, and was no longer able to keep socking money away into it for a rainy day fund.

If not for the civil service pension the government provided, I'd be gettin nuthin at all for my years of government service.

Honestly, my biggest investments have been my children. That's where all my money went, was raising them. Now they're grown and on their own, I've cut way back on work hours, working only a fraction of what I did to get them through high school and college, and my taxes went way up since I no longer claim them as tax deductions.

Back to square one for me. I still live paycheck to paycheck, like millions of other Americans lucky enough to have a job or two.

The longer I can keep working, the more I'll be investing into one pension fund, and Social Security. The minute I stop working they lose value. The longer I continue to work they appreciate in value. For me, I have figured out by the time I'm ready to retire I'll either be dead already or ready for the old folks home. (jkz - sort of.)

My mom died at 67. 67 is my full retirement age. Do I quit work earlier to take a cut in my benefits (SS and pension,) or keep working to maximum capacity on the notion I might live into my 80s, 90s or older? My mom was in poor health, and a heavy smoker when she died. I take better care of myself. Still, no one has a crystal ball to see into the future ... it's the luck of the draw I think - when to take retirement.
No. 25     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 26, 2016 at 4:06 PM     
When the US government spends dollars, YOUR dollars, and prints more, they in effect are stealing from you. In fact, by continuing to 'print' dollars in order to spend more, they are in reality stealing man-hours that you personally have worked, and using it to their own benefit and contrary to yours.

As an example, say you work 40 hours per week, but when the government prints more currency to spend, your 40 hrs. becomes diluted to maybe 35 hrs. per week. Oh, you still WORK 40 hrs., but through the corrupt government, who really does not care for you as an individual at all, your wealth is diluted like when you make koolaid but use too much water - you end up maybe with only colored water. Same for your ACTUAL value of your money you just earned. The script will remain the same. $500/wk. on your check or your deposit will still read &500, but your purchasing power may now equal $400, or $350.

This is not a joke - IT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AS YOU READ THIS, and it's been happening for some time. It's only that the government has become quite accomplished in covering up the truth through lies and people keep accepting the lies...until they don't anymore. THAT'S what the preppers and the sound-money people refer to when they say you've 'woken up.'

YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOUR MONEY IN US DOLLARS...PERIOD.

Whether it be a savings account, a money market fund, stocks, bonds, direct deposit of you 'check' or pension into your bank, etc., if you snooze on this matter, you most defintitely WILL LOSE!

If you are to financially survive what is not only coming, but happening now, you MUST be proactive and begin getting your money out of US dollars and banks (which are becoming one and the same with this WAR ON CASH in progress).

Even if you at the moment do not have any spare cash, go ahead and set up precious metal and bitcoin accounts-most of them are free to set up. (I did this when I was broke.) If you are confused as to how to do this, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE and find out - you are not an idiot...unless you do nothing, which 98% of the American public will end up doing...nothing.
No. 26     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 27, 2016 at 9:07 AM     
As an example of what appears to be an excellent investment, Bitcoin has increased in value $200 over the last couple of months.

How have YOUR investments been doing?

I'm going to begin adding links to this thread of what is increasing in investment value, and maybe what is not. If the 98% figure of most Americans being essentially in a fog when it comes to being wise and taking action when it comes to being financially astute it true, then it will also be true here, which means most will not pay much attention and ignore the links. But I don't post them for the unwise, only for the awake and aware who are willing to at least give a listen.
No. 27     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM     
This guy gives a good rundown of what's happening with Bitcoin currently, and you might also find it interesting he is still in the stock market. He also talks of Venezuelans, with their hyperinflation, turning to Bitcoin.

http://financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2016/12/bitcoin-rising-rapidly-in-2016-giant-fu-to-politicians-central-bankers-in-china-india-venezuela/
No. 28     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 54   on  Dec 27, 2016 at 1:25 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

Well today I decided to finally start socking $ away for a vehicle.



What happened to that HHR you used to have?


Sold it after having fun with it for a few years.

Opted to pay cash for a beater instead.

Was a good decision too, put 100,000 miles on a $1500 vehicle, lol.
No. 29     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 29, 2016 at 9:45 PM     
If you'd like to better understand Bitcoin, I just found this video from 2015 which offers a great primer, and at the end summation a great rundown as to how government uses the power of fiat money to control us. Highly recommended, esp. in light of what's going on right now.

THE TRUTH ABOUT BITCOIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4HGVJjqDVk
No. 30     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 30, 2016 at 3:56 PM     
Vinny Lingham aka ‘The Bitcoin Oracle’ Maintains a $3,000+ Price Prediction for Bitcoin in 2017

https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/12/30/vinny-lingham-aka-the-bitcoin-oracle-maintains-a-3000-price-prediction-for-bitcoin-in-2017/
No. 31     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Dec 30, 2016 at 5:00 PM     
This link could go to a number of past threads of mine, such as my threads on expatriation, or the Plan B threads, or on this one. Since this one is current, here is where I chose to put it.

There are a number of exciting possibilities on this interview, for those who have ears to hear. Myself, I'm going to go back and listen to it again, and maybe even more times.



An Anarchist Expat In Panama Steeming and Doing Social Media

Anarchast Ep.326

Jeff interviews Randy Hilarski of $200 Social in the Trump Hotel Panama, topics include: Randy’s disillusionment with military service then the medical service in the US, horrendous taxation in the US, a new life in Panama, the economy is booming and so are property values, the US is exporting inflation, Wirex Bitcoin debit cards, launching $200 Social, the age of social media, social media censorship, the Steemit community, the shining future of Steem

http://financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2016/12/an-anarchist-expat-in-panama-steeming-and-doing-social-media/
No. 32     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jan 2, 2017 at 11:54 AM     
Bitcoin Breaks $1,000 On First Day of 2017

http://financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2017/01/bitcoin-breaks-1000-on-first-day-of-2017/
No. 33     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jan 3, 2017 at 11:32 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:NETWORK MARKETING: MLM is still alive and well, with millions making a good living with it online.


With my most recent such "income stream" entered into late in 2016 now taking on a life of its own and on fire, I set out to launch another. Actually, I was an early distributor with this business, affiliating with them shortly after their initial launch in the 90s. My affiliation was dissolved during the divorce process, being we were partners in the business. I kept them on the backburner, and rejoined via the exact same upline I was previously signed with. This time around I have "passed" him in less than 6 weeks of coming back in, as well as "passing" his direct upline. Upline above them are now working directly with me.

Anyway, today I did launch another such "income stream". Still feeling my way around with it being a brand new ground floor venture. Until more familiar with what I have got myself into, I hesitate to quickly share with others. I "stumbled" into this via one of my own online customers that has purchased health books from me. She invited me to take a look. As soon I seen it was being launched by leaders I already know, of which other businesses of theirs have flourished quite well in this industry, I jumped in almost immediately with little research done. With some of these "things", being in early can be key. Not to mention I feel the Lord's prompting in this.
No. 34     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 9, 2017 at 11:19 PM     
Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.
No. 35     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 9, 2017 at 11:26 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.


I just sold some from my Coinbase account. If she keeps slipping down, I will buy some more.
No. 36     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 9, 2017 at 11:29 PM     
Actually, I moved a little too quickly. On second thought, I should have went over to Provident metals and purchased more silver. They give me a discount when I pay with Bitcoin and ship to me for free.
No. 37     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 9, 2017 at 11:57 PM     
Just got my Buy limits considerably increased on Coinbase. Had to upload a photo ID before they would approve the request. Was easy to do though. Did it with my phone in a matter of seconds. 2-3 minutes later the increase was in effect.
No. 38     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 10, 2017 at 12:02 AM     
Actually, reviewing the price history, I am not seeing were as BTC went over $1800 recently. I am sure I heard such stated on the radio this afternoon. But selling at over $1700 is a substantial gain regardless, considering I purchased at like $200 and actually mined some of it myself.
No. 39     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 10, 2017 at 12:04 AM     
In fact, I may put a miner or two back online this week.
No. 40     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  May 10, 2017 at 1:16 AM     
Matthew 6
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.


Matthew 19
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.


Luke 12
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.





No. 41     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 10, 2017 at 8:08 AM     
Well, mine does not lay up very long. Does not really meet the Biblical definition of treasure of the heart laid up for that matter.

1 Timothy 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Matthew 25:14-30 King James Version (KJV)
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
No. 42     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 10, 2017 at 9:48 AM     
19 But all silver and gold, and every vessel of bronze and iron, are holy to the LORD - Josh. 6:19

The principle here is not ONLY about precious metals (though they are the focus), but rather, I think, to recognize that things of value should be appreciated and used, rather than discarded for reasons of asceticism (which is actually a sin, though little recognized). Crypto-currencies are high-risk, but that by itself is not necessarily a good reason to avoid them.

Following the Lord can be high-risk, in the short run.
No. 43     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  May 10, 2017 at 9:02 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Well, mine does not lay up very long. Does not really meet the Biblical definition of treasure of the heart laid up for that matter.

1 Timothy 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


An advice to believers, not applicable to disciples. Even here an honest approach for a living is expected, not based on greed to make more and more money to feed himself and his family considering and worrying with all kinds of risk factors in investments.

Matthew 25:14-30 King James Version (KJV)
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


I had shared this parable in our church once. Please note that Jesus is signifying spiritual work of using and sharing our gifts, not worldly business of one sided profit making in terms of money.

I had indicated that the servant who buried the money is like people who are unable to execute their gifts on account of ill health, liabilities, other problems and responsibilities and simply keep quiet. Instead they can support evangelical work of others to the extent possible which brings rewards in building the kingdom of God.
No. 44     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  May 10, 2017 at 10:25 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

19 But all silver and gold, and every vessel of bronze and iron, are holy to the LORD - Josh. 6:19

The principle here is not ONLY about precious metals (though they are the focus), but rather, I think, to recognize that things of value should be appreciated and used, rather than discarded for reasons of asceticism (which is actually a sin, though little recognized).


Sorry to say that you are using modern copy and paste technology to interpret the truth. The above verse refers to war bounty which should be submitted to God, not for personal use. Jesus did not come to offer affluent life and to propagate capitalism. He came to offer abundant spiritual life of joy and peace.


Crypto-currencies are high-risk, but that by itself is not necessarily a good reason to avoid them.


One need to use them, not getting sold to them!

Following the Lord can be high-risk, in the short run.


Who is following Jesus, anyway? :rolleyes:

No. 45     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  unspoiled   Gender: M   Age: 52   on  May 11, 2017 at 3:07 AM     
the federal reserve is not communistic...it's more like the opposite. if it were communistic we wouldn't be suffering from such a wide wealth divide and non-wealthy financially responsible people losing so much.
No. 46     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 11, 2017 at 12:44 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

19 But all silver and gold, and every vessel of bronze and iron, are holy to the LORD - Josh. 6:19

The principle here is not ONLY about precious metals (though they are the focus), but rather, I think, to recognize that things of value should be appreciated and used, rather than discarded for reasons of asceticism (which is actually a sin, though little recognized).


Sorry to say that you are using modern copy and paste technology to interpret the truth.


Sometimes people say things that only make me wonder if they are smoking weed or something.

I address principle and you get lost in a fog of technology??? :headbang:



The above verse refers to war bounty which should be submitted to God, not for personal use.


Oh really? Not for personal use? Read a few verses further to realize your error-prone philosophy...

1 And the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not fear and do not be dismayed. Take all the fighting men with you, and arise, go up to Ai. See, I have given into your hand the king of Ai, and his people, his city, and his land. 2 And you shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king. Only its spoil and its livestock you shall take as plunder for yourselves. Josh. 8:1,2

If you think that precious metals are, how did you put it, "war bounty which should be submitted to God," ask yourself what personal use God has for earth metals, which He created in the first place?

The answer is, He has NO personal need of them, but what He does do is reward those who follow Him, not so much with riches themselves as an endgame, but rather such things can be part & parcel (as in prosperity) for those who seek Him first. Unfortunately, your next quote reveals you have virtually no understanding of this but rather you choose to spiritualize the issue...


Jesus did not come to offer affluent life and to propagate capitalism. He came to offer abundant spiritual life of joy and peace.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully you others who are following this can discern the truth of these passages. Deva, who follows a different agenda (his own), will not get it, of course, and will continue to offer up a confused ideology, but as I have just shown from Scripture itself, there is a logical and clear understanding of the principle involved.

No. 47     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 11, 2017 at 12:57 PM     
unspoiled wrote:

the federal reserve is not communistic...it's more like the opposite. if it were communistic we wouldn't be suffering from such a wide wealth divide and non-wealthy financially responsible people losing so much.


Sure it is. Your argument is like saying the sun is not hot. If it was, we never would have snow.

Go back to my post #11 for the clear truth of this.
No. 48     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 11, 2017 at 3:48 PM     
Devaprakash wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Well, mine does not lay up very long. Does not really meet the Biblical definition of treasure of the heart laid up for that matter.

1 Timothy 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


An advice to believers, not applicable to disciples. Even here an honest approach for a living is expected, not based on greed to make more and more money to feed himself and his family considering and worrying with all kinds of risk factors in investments.

Matthew 25:14-30 King James Version (KJV)
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


I had shared this parable in our church once. Please note that Jesus is signifying spiritual work of using and sharing our gifts, not worldly business of one sided profit making in terms of money.

I had indicated that the servant who buried the money is like people who are unable to execute their gifts on account of ill health, liabilities, other problems and responsibilities and simply keep quiet. Instead they can support evangelical work of others to the extent possible which brings rewards in building the kingdom of God.


Well, my living is an honest living not based on greed, no worries, no concern with risk.

And I give most all away and/or spend most on behalf of others.
No. 49     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 11, 2017 at 3:59 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.


I just sold some from my Coinbase account. If she keeps slipping down, I will buy some more.


Was a good decision to slip back in. Bitcoin well over $1800 today.
No. 50     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  unspoiled   Gender: M   Age: 52   on  May 11, 2017 at 8:28 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

unspoiled wrote:

the federal reserve is not communistic...it's more like the opposite. if it were communistic we wouldn't be suffering from such a wide wealth divide and non-wealthy financially responsible people losing so much.


Sure it is. Your argument is like saying the sun is not hot. If it was, we never would have snow.

Go back to my post #11 for the clear truth of this.


impossible to get anywhere here. making illogical rants doesn't make your unfounded claim true.

the teamsters union is socialistic. but the one who hates socialism loves it when getting the benefits of socialism.


"GIVE ME THE BENEFITS OF SOCIALISM AS LONG AS OTHERS DO NOT GET IT - I WANT UNFAIR GAINS AT THE DETRIMENT OF OTHERS" ....amazing.....
No. 51     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  unspoiled   Gender: M   Age: 52   on  May 11, 2017 at 8:31 PM     
so much christianity deviating from foundation. if our wealth was mostly from our actual work and not working the system from jewish made financial markets, we'd have a happier world.

so many are lost.

No. 52     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  May 11, 2017 at 8:43 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:
19 But all silver and gold, and every vessel of bronze and iron, are holy to the LORD - Josh. 6:19

The principle here is not ONLY about precious metals (though they are the focus), but rather, I think, to recognize that things of value should be appreciated and used, rather than discarded for reasons of asceticism (which is actually a sin, though little recognized).


Sorry to say that you are using modern copy and paste technology to interpret the truth.


Sometimes people say things that only make me wonder if they are smoking weed or something.

I address principle and you get lost in a fog of technology???


The above verse refers to war bounty which should be submitted to God, not for personal use.




Oh really? Not for personal use? Read a few verses further to realize your error-prone philosophy...

1 And the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not fear and do not be dismayed. Take all the fighting men with you, and arise, go up to Ai. See, I have given into your hand the king of Ai, and his people, his city, and his land. 2 And you shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king. Only its spoil and its livestock you shall take as plunder for yourselves. Josh. 8:1,2


Why are quoting Josh. 8:1,2 to support Josh. 6:19 when they refer to different context and places? A kind of universalization? So you want to apply the same pattern of killing men, women, children and animals now as a Christian? What prompts your thinking, the things of the old or the words of Jesus that give us future?

If you think that precious metals are, how did you put it, "war bounty which should be submitted to God," ask yourself what personal use God has for earth metals, which He created in the first place?


God does not need anything from us. Yet giving back to God is something related to gratitude and submission.

The answer is, He has NO personal need of them, but what He does do is reward those who follow Him, not so much with riches themselves as an endgame, but rather such things can be part & parcel (as in prosperity) for those who seek Him first. Unfortunately, your next quote reveals you have virtually no understanding of this but rather you choose to spiritualize the issue...


Your words sound like that of people who have started propagating ‘gospel for prosperity’ to put words of Jesus to shame!

Deva wrote:Jesus did not come to offer affluent life and to propagate capitalism. He came to offer abundant spiritual life of joy and peace.



Hopefully you others who are following this can discern the truth of these passages. Deva, who follows a different agenda (his own), will not get it, of course, and will continue to offer up a confused ideology, but as I have just shown from Scripture itself, there is a logical and clear understanding of the principle involved.


People quote Bible ignoring the words of Jesus to take eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth!

No. 53     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  May 11, 2017 at 8:48 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Devaprakash wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Well, mine does not lay up very long. Does not really meet the Biblical definition of treasure of the heart laid up for that matter.

1 Timothy 5:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.


An advice to believers, not applicable to disciples. Even here an honest approach for a living is expected, not based on greed to make more and more money to feed himself and his family considering and worrying with all kinds of risk factors in investments.

Matthew 25:14-30 King James Version (KJV)
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


I had shared this parable in our church once. Please note that Jesus is signifying spiritual work of using and sharing our gifts, not worldly business of one sided profit making in terms of money.

I had indicated that the servant who buried the money is like people who are unable to execute their gifts on account of ill health, liabilities, other problems and responsibilities and simply keep quiet. Instead they can support evangelical work of others to the extent possible which brings rewards in building the kingdom of God.


Well, my living is an honest living not based on greed, no worries, no concern with risk.

And I give most all away and/or spend most on behalf of others.
:thumb_up:
No. 54     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 11, 2017 at 9:51 PM     
unspoiled wrote:

impossible to get anywhere here. making illogical rants doesn't make your unfounded claim true.


Well, one can argue all day with those who disagree on illogical or unsupportable grounds (which is why I'm probably done with Deva now), but as for your own position - it is quite well-known that central banks are Communistic-based. It is somewhat less well-known (but growing more so) that the FED is a central bank.

With those two facts in mind, I guess you might argue that they are not facts, but you might as well argue that poop doesn't stink. The burden of proof is upon you in light of the fact that legitimate arguments have been made by sound money people (which you have shown no understanding of) that give great understanding that central banks are indeed Communist.

At any rate, there is no real reason to keep arguing on points with you, as well as Deva, when both of you tend to reflect your own accusations of everyone else - that everyone else misunderstands or is illogical when you both display those 'qualities' in abundance.


the teamsters union is socialistic. but the one who hates socialism loves it when getting the benefits of socialism.


The Teamsters do not pay me. Yes, they have negotiated contracts on my behalf, but I did not seek employment with them and I have never earned income from them. I had no say in their representation of me, so if you are attempting to make a ridiculous point that I shouldn't be worthy of getting a pension from a company (UPS) that I worked 38 yrs. for and has agreed that I should get a pension, you are really giving (adding to) the general consensus that you don't really know what you are talking about.

It's that simple.


No. 55     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Devaprakash   Gender: M   Age: 73   on  May 11, 2017 at 10:09 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

unspoiled wrote:

impossible to get anywhere here. making illogical rants doesn't make your unfounded claim true.


Well, one can argue all day with those who disagree on illogical or unsupportable grounds (which is why I'm probably done with Deva now), but as for your own position - it is quite well-known that central banks are Communistic-based. It is somewhat less well-known (but growing more so) that the FED is a central bank.

With those two facts in mind, I guess you might argue that they are not facts, but you might as well argue that poop doesn't stink. The burden of proof is upon you in light of the fact that legitimate arguments have been made by sound money people (which you have shown no understanding of) that give great understanding that central banks are indeed Communist.

At any rate, there is no real reason to keep arguing on points with you, as well as Deva, when both of you tend to reflect your own accusations of everyone else - that everyone else misunderstands or is illogical when you both display those 'qualities' in abundance.


the teamsters union is socialistic. but the one who hates socialism loves it when getting the benefits of socialism.


The Teamsters do not pay me. Yes, they have negotiated contracts on my behalf, but I did not seek employment with them and I have never earned income from them. I had no say in their representation of me, so if you are attempting to make a ridiculous point that I shouldn't be worthy of getting a pension from a company (UPS) that I worked 38 yrs. for and has agreed that I should get a pension, you are really giving (adding to) the general consensus that you don't really know what you are talking about.

It's that simple.


In a way, I am done with this thread too because it drags us to worldly aspects--a very unchristian thinking! :wavey:
No. 56     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 4:13 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.


I just sold some from my Coinbase account. If she keeps slipping down, I will buy some more.


Was a good decision to slip back in. Bitcoin well over $1800 today.


I got out safely before the drop today, but just moved back in under $1700 and looking to acquire more.
No. 57     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 4:20 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.


I just sold some from my Coinbase account. If she keeps slipping down, I will buy some more.


Was a good decision to slip back in. Bitcoin well over $1800 today.


I got out safely before the drop today, but just moved back in under $1700 and looking to acquire more.


Already on the rise, just purchased more.
No. 58     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 4:28 PM     
I read today the IRA now approves of tax deferred retirement accounts being invested in Bitcoin. Although I am no real fan of putting funds into such accounts, I see that as a positive for Bitcoin.
No. 59     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 4:40 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.


I just sold some from my Coinbase account. If she keeps slipping down, I will buy some more.


Was a good decision to slip back in. Bitcoin well over $1800 today.


I got out safely before the drop today, but just moved back in under $1700 and looking to acquire more.


Bitcoin dropped well over $100 in the past 24 hours. With the initial slight dip I "bailed", and watched the value tumble to the over $100 down as more were "scared" out. I moved back in at well under $1700, with the price now have edged back over $1700. May even be a nice opportunity to sell again yet today.

There is talk of Bitcoin having the potential to make a run up to over $5000 to as high as possibly $10000. Not sure about that, at least not in the near term. But I do believe if such talk continues, buyers will move back in pushing the value well over $2000 in the near term.
No. 60     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 12, 2017 at 4:55 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I read today the IRA now approves of tax deferred retirement accounts being invested in Bitcoin. Although I am no real fan of putting funds into such accounts, I see that as a positive for Bitcoin.


It is my understanding that Australia just recognized Bitcoin as money.
No. 61     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 5:03 PM     
I received an offer today for a VISA card from Coinbase that allows me to make purchases same as with any other VISA card, but it is actually my Bitcoin balance the funds are drawn from to cover the purchase.
No. 62     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 5:05 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I received an offer today for a VISA card from Coinbase that allows me to make purchases same as with any other VISA card, but it is actually my Bitcoin balance the funds are drawn from to cover the purchase.


BTW - My PayPal account is now linked to my Bitcoin wallet, allowing me to conveniently and instantly make transactions back and forth depositing and/or withdrawing from one or the other respectively.
No. 63     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 6:15 PM     
Possibly a better bargain than Bitcoin, as far as a lower price to get involved, is Litecoin and/or Ether/Ethereum. Both multiple times lower price than Bitcoin, but also easily and instantly traded via Coinbase and other exchanges. Following digital currencies has become little different than following country currencies.
No. 64     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 6:29 PM     
I have no ETH, but still have LTC left from my scyrpt mining days. For a good while, it was way less costly to operate scyrpt miners mining LTC, and then simply exchange it for BTC as earned.

There is talk that LTC has greater potential of becoming accepted as a global digital currency than BTC. Although BTC already has their foot in the door, LTC appears to be a better organized platform/network. Hurdles that BTC is battling as encountered, LTC has learned by watching BTC, and thus pre-planned for those hurdles making the transitions more "smooth".
No. 65     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 12, 2017 at 7:14 PM     
I did apply for the Bitcoin backed VISA card. My only concern is losing the discount I now enjoy when paying the vendors directly with BTC. Many currently provide me a substantial discount.

It appears that when one uses the VISA card, an appropriate amount of Bitcoin is exchanged for USD that is paid to the merchant. Therefore, likely not qualifying me for any discount. Just the convenience of essentially being able to utilize BTC when I pay for most anything. In the past, I have had to somewhat plan ahead when planning to pay with my BTC balance. Can sometimes take a day or so to exchange the funds from one currency to another to prepare for the transaction.

BTW - Other than an initial $10 processing fee for the card, there are supposedly no transaction or exchange fees whatsoever. Currently, for me to exchange BTC for USD or vice versa, there is a minimal fee, and also a minimal transaction fee to pay a merchant directly with BTC.
No. 66     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 13, 2017 at 4:40 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin has recently been over $1800. Still over $1700 at the moment. I may unload some. Purchased it back around $200.


I just sold some from my Coinbase account. If she keeps slipping down, I will buy some more.


Was a good decision to slip back in. Bitcoin well over $1800 today.


I got out safely before the drop today, but just moved back in under $1700 and looking to acquire more.


Bitcoin dropped well over $100 in the past 24 hours. With the initial slight dip I "bailed", and watched the value tumble to the over $100 down as more were "scared" out. I moved back in at well under $1700, with the price now have edged back over $1700. May even be a nice opportunity to sell again yet today.

There is talk of Bitcoin having the potential to make a run up to over $5000 to as high as possibly $10000. Not sure about that, at least not in the near term. But I do believe if such talk continues, buyers will move back in pushing the value well over $2000 in the near term.


About to Sell at least half the BTC just purchased yesterday. In less than 24 hours she has rallied back to just shy of $1800.
No. 67     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Tavita   Gender: M   Age: 82   on  May 13, 2017 at 6:08 PM     
My question is not where to put my money in 2017, but where to get my money in 2017.
No. 68     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 14, 2017 at 5:49 AM     
Still riding BTC. She went over $1800 and is climbing.

I wish the platform allowed the placement of limit/trigger orders same as with other currency or stock orders. Well, at least the digital currency broker I currently use does not. Going to investigate other digital currency brokers.
No. 69     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 15, 2017 at 8:01 AM     
BTC on a little bit of a tumble this AM.

On a related note, the Bitcoin community is in the midst of a major civil war at the moment. Many say this war could be the demise of Bitcoin, setting the stage for a new leading crypto such as ETH.

On the road right now. Will try to share more later.
No. 70     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  unspoiled   Gender: M   Age: 52   on  May 15, 2017 at 7:46 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

unspoiled wrote:

impossible to get anywhere here. making illogical rants doesn't make your unfounded claim true.


Well, one can argue all day with those who disagree on illogical or unsupportable grounds (which is why I'm probably done with Deva now), but as for your own position - it is quite well-known that central banks are Communistic-based. It is somewhat less well-known (but growing more so) that the FED is a central bank.

With those two facts in mind, I guess you might argue that they are not facts, but you might as well argue that poop doesn't stink. The burden of proof is upon you in light of the fact that legitimate arguments have been made by sound money people (which you have shown no understanding of) that give great understanding that central banks are indeed Communist.

At any rate, there is no real reason to keep arguing on points with you, as well as Deva, when both of you tend to reflect your own accusations of everyone else - that everyone else misunderstands or is illogical when you both display those 'qualities' in abundance.


the teamsters union is socialistic. but the one who hates socialism loves it when getting the benefits of socialism.


The Teamsters do not pay me. Yes, they have negotiated contracts on my behalf, but I did not seek employment with them and I have never earned income from them. I had no say in their representation of me, so if you are attempting to make a ridiculous point that I shouldn't be worthy of getting a pension from a company (UPS) that I worked 38 yrs. for and has agreed that I should get a pension, you are really giving (adding to) the general consensus that you don't really know what you are talking about.

It's that simple.




sorry, you do not know what you are talking about . making one assertion after another and making one excuse after another doesn't make you right.


you enjoyed the fruits of socialism = FACT.

you could have sought employment with a company without a union but you chose to stay in - I wonder why. BIG MONEY AT THE DETRIMENT OF OTHERS.

the central banks are busy manipulating up stock markets which help the wealthy. explain how this is communistic. you cannot. feces can stink just like your ridiculous arguments. ease up on the indole and skatole.

***

I will add this:

"it is quite well-known that central banks are Communistic-based"

therefore no one is allowed to argue against it. it's as flawed as saying 6 million jews were killed in nazi germany, end of story, no one is allowed to state anything different. providing evidence to demonstrate it is communistic would help but the screwed up thinking person says the burden of proof is unto myself so the crap can be slung my way without any evidence at all and be termed a fact. what the heck is this convoluted logic you are using? now being i provide evidence of the contrary, what say you? still sticking to your mantra?


"The burden of proof is upon you in light of the fact that legitimate arguments have been made by sound money people (which you have shown no understanding of) that give great understanding that central banks are indeed Communist"

There goes the childish rants. When will it stop? once I am gone so the bully has no reason to keep shoving manure around? What is a sound money person? What is this ridiculous assertion that i have no understanding of? d you come up with a fair stock market system as i have? have you written about stock valuations as i have? have you written about the relationship of GDP growth ad stock valuations as i have? did you explain that lower unemployment claims does not mean an improving economy as i have? (i bet that would be tough for you to understand). oh but you make your wild assertions and each step of the way use the word fact when it's your faulty opinion or reiterating an opinion of others.

As far as getting a pension who said you are not entitled to one? I only stated that employee unions are socialistic and you made a great life being part of a strong socialistic entity. now i will speak of your pension for the first time and only per your insistence of hating socialism: for one who speaks so poorly of socialism, you ought to give up your pension and 2/3 of the salary you "earned" to disavow all things socialistic otherwise you make yourself to be a gigantic hypocrite. just admit the FACTS and stop your rationalizations.

commerce (economy) gets hurt. most everyone loses. all so a strong socialistic union protects and coddles a bunch of unskilled workers.

oh but keep up your rants if it make you feel good. being a bully is part of your character. don't rely on facts, just keep spewing nonsense and call them facts.


No. 71     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 16, 2017 at 7:17 AM     
BTC reversed to trending back up, therefore sold half this AM. A couple of days later than I had hoped to cash out.
No. 72     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 16, 2017 at 1:43 PM     
If I had some desperate reason to invest and could only invest in one tangible instrument, it would be to buy more silver. But I would seek a means to have it stored somewhere else and/or owned in some "digital" manner.

I currently own a crypto backed by gold. I have not diligently sought out a similar means to own silver. Maybe I should.
No. 73     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 17, 2017 at 10:28 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:
On a related note, the Bitcoin community is in the midst of a major civil war at the moment. Many say this war could be the demise of Bitcoin, setting the stage for a new leading crypto such as ETH.



There is a lot of computer software technical talk related to crypto currencies and how they are "mined", acquired, used. Those not "in to it" simply do not grasp it or do not care to. I will refrain from the language of "hard fork", "soft fork", "blockchain", "malleability", etc..

In summary, there is currently much controversy in the core bitcoin community as how to improve bitcoin and prepare for its growth and quick adoptance as a viable currency. The community is split about 50/50 at this time.

There is the original core that pretty much appear to desire to leave things as they are, basically claiming that changing now is betrayal to the "mining" community. The other half desires changes they feel will improve bitcoin by streamlining the transaction process. There are some other debates, but it boils down to change from the status quo or not. This battle is probably behind the scenes to most bitcoin advocates, but the battle is growing and raising serious concerns about bitcoin's long-term viability.
No. 74     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 17, 2017 at 10:30 PM     
BTW - I read today the US is adopting acceptance of bitcoin in payment of the fees associated with VISA apps.
No. 75     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 17, 2017 at 10:33 PM     
I also read today that in the countries were as their economies have recently collapsed and are prohibited from obtaining their money from banks, the citizens have quickly adopted bitcoin and are purchasing their necessities with BTC outside the borders of their country.
No. 76     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 17, 2017 at 10:48 PM     
New innovations in phone apps and bitcoin debit cards have greatly improved the convenience of transaction with BTC, but most still directly utilize the blockchain. I recall a couple years back, the transaction being completed within a few minutes. As bitcoin's popularity grew, that time took on an average of around 30 minutes.

Bitcoin has been so popular in the past couple of days, some blockchain transactions are being reported as taking over 30 hours.
No. 77     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 17, 2017 at 10:51 PM     
BTW - I purchased more BTC twice today. Also recently entered two different business/investment opportunities that would only accept BTC for funding.
No. 78     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 17, 2017 at 11:05 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I also read today that in the countries were as their economies have recently collapsed and are prohibited from obtaining their money from banks, the citizens have quickly adopted bitcoin and are purchasing their necessities with BTC outside the borders of their country.


Venezuelans are doing this, I think I've heard.
No. 79     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 18, 2017 at 10:55 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

New innovations in phone apps and bitcoin debit cards have greatly improved the convenience of transaction with BTC, but most still directly utilize the blockchain. I recall a couple years back, the transaction being completed within a few minutes. As bitcoin's popularity grew, that time took on an average of around 30 minutes.

Bitcoin has been so popular in the past couple of days, some blockchain transactions are being reported as taking over 30 hours.


The blockchain processing issues are bringing about more serious transaction issues with bitcoin much sooner than I expected. At least one of the major trading platforms where I invest bitcoin for more bitcoin, has reduced trading from 24/7 to now only 72 hours per week. Verification of completed transactions simply is not happening fast enough to trade bitcoin securely. They have also raised the minimum amount of withdrawals, to lessen the great number of small transactions inducing a "load" on the blockchain.

This particular platform is on track to double my bitcoin investment every 90 days or less. Will see if this trend continues with trading only 72 hours per week versus 24/7. I do not believe it can.

I am involved in another platform that returns me 6% per day, on a current schedule paying out 4 times per day regardless of how small the amount, on track to double my bitcoin investment every 30 days or less. Thus far, they have implemented no new policies as a result of the blockchain issues. I am moving more bitcoin here today, rather than the other, that I actually favor most.
No. 80     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 18, 2017 at 11:40 AM     
Exchange transactions such as USD to BTC and vice versa are still happening essentially instantly within my wallet. But transactions involving paying out BTC or receiving BTC to or from a 3rd party are taking exceptionally long.

Many "vendors" are starting to require all confirmations of the blockchain to be completed before considering you as having paid. Just last week, despite many requiring at least 6 confirmations, many vendors considered you paid upon the first confirmation.
No. 81     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 18, 2017 at 11:46 AM     
Despite the blockchain issues, BTC value continues to climb right on up there.

I am not one to look back much and say I should have done this or should have done that, but if I made any less efficient investment move, it was in exchanging my pervious BTC as earned into precious metals. BTC would have returned much more. For that matter, all my alternatives have returned much more by far than precious metals.
No. 82     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  May 18, 2017 at 7:28 PM     
have fun...i dont trust anything i cant touch.

Cryptocurrency Mining Malware Spreading for Weeks

https://www.proofpoint.com/us/threat-insight/post/adylkuzz-cryptocurrency-mining-malware-spreading-for-weeks-via-eternalblue-doublepulsar


No. 83     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM     
Purchased more BTC today, as well as added ETH and more LTC to the portfolio.

Currently averaging a 6% gain per day on the BTC. Have not had the ETH very long, and have not been following my LTC as I have BTC, therefore no calculations on an average return for either of them.
No. 84     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 19, 2017 at 1:02 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Purchased more BTC today, as well as added ETH and more LTC to the portfolio.

Currently averaging a 6% gain per day on the BTC. Have not had the ETH very long, and have not been following my LTC as I have BTC, therefore no calculations on an average return for either of them.


BTW - That 6% return on BTC does not directly take into account bitcoin's rise in value. I am involved in trading BTC as one might trade any other currency, but quickly trading amongst the various exchanges which often offer an immediate difference in value from one exchange to another. I am also essentially lending BTC to others for a contracted return/interest.

My goal at the moment has little to do with BTC value increase, my primary desire with BTC is to increase the amount of BTC I own, with it essentially funding itself. Same principle I used as when I was directly mining digital currencies. The accumulated holdings were essentially free, all said and done. But I quickly transferred the earned BTC to some other asset rather than hold a lot of BTC.

The returns/interest on the above activities are currently paid to me in BTC as much as 4 times per day, resulting in an accumulation of BTC much faster than I can now physically mine BTC. And at much less BTC outlay as would be required for hardware and operation.

The goal this time around is to hold onto some BTC. Simply return the initial BTC outlay, and reinvest the remaining earnings into activities growing my balance of BTC.
No. 85     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 19, 2017 at 1:06 AM     
crayons wrote:

have fun...i dont trust anything i cant touch.

Cryptocurrency Mining Malware Spreading for Weeks

https://www.proofpoint.com/us/threat-insight/post/adylkuzz-cryptocurrency-mining-malware-spreading-for-weeks-via-eternalblue-doublepulsar




I could lose all my digital currency and essentially be out nothing other than the perceived market value. I essentially came by it for no real capital investment. My investments into digital currencies essentially fund themselves. My initial outlay has long been returned.
No. 86     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 19, 2017 at 9:20 AM     
BTC has shot well over $1900, and is quickly approaching $2000.

There has been renewed interest in mining from home. The price of BTC is now high enough, the return covers the expenses. Several are contacting me about buying miners.

Daily I have been receiving orders for my software that streamlines the operation of miners via a windows based PC or laptop. Many struggle to setup miners via the microcomputers such as the popular raspberry pi running Linux. The Linux based access does not offer a user friendly gui. My software offers an alternative to the cumbersome task of entering the software via Linux, with easy access and setup via a Windows browser.
No. 87     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 19, 2017 at 8:10 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:
AFFILIATE SELLING: Selling the products of others on platforms such as Clickbank and JVZoo, earning a one-time commission for each sale


I attended a 3 hour class this evening on affiliate marketing. They referred to it as "freelance marketing". Some good "stuff" was shared. Most could be applied to marketing anything. Not just affiliate opportunities.
No. 88     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 20, 2017 at 10:44 AM     
BTC over $2000 this AM.

ETH is at $125. That is up over $35 per coin for the week. One can get involved in ETH and/or LTC at a more reasonable outlay.

There are ways to get involved in BTC at much more reasonable than purchasing an entire coin, but I hesitate to share such in a public forum such as MC. In fact, I am knocking down 6% per day on my BTC. That is a 180% return in 30 days. I took all the gain this week as of last night, and reinvested it in more BTC at 6% per day return.
No. 89     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 20, 2017 at 3:55 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

BTC over $2000 this AM.

ETH is at $125. That is up over $35 per coin for the week. One can get involved in ETH and/or LTC at a more reasonable outlay.

There are ways to get involved in BTC at much more reasonable than purchasing an entire coin, but I hesitate to share such in a public forum such as MC. In fact, I am knocking down 6% per day on my BTC. That is a 180% return in 30 days. I took all the gain this week as of last night, and reinvested it in more BTC at 6% per day return.


I'm looking at a BTC trading deal, but my guess is BTC is near the (temporary) top and maybe due for a strong pullback, so I prefer to be cautions until then and after that take a strong position.

Also checking out ETH.

Seemit looks tantalizing.
No. 90     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 21, 2017 at 7:24 AM     
BTC went over $2100 this AM. I withdrew a substantial amount from one of my trading accounts, with plans to move it to a less "risk" activity. Unless you are mining or investing new funds, the only way to grow the BTC balance it is to keep it earning in some other manner.
No. 91     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 21, 2017 at 1:34 PM     
Darrell, watch (at least part of) this and comment, please.

Bitcoin Crash Ahead? And if So, Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmCSssXJ9Hg
No. 92     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 21, 2017 at 7:22 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Darrell, watch (at least part of) this and comment, please.

Bitcoin Crash Ahead? And if So, Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmCSssXJ9Hg


There was a day or two with some blockchain issues. The transactions I made this AM confirmed and completed within minutes. Faster than I was seeing in the couple days before the big slowdown. Even with the slowdown, if you know what transaction options are available to you and how to get to them, there are ways to speed up the process. There are also ways around the higher fees.

I am not saying they are not experiencing some new growing pains, for they are the leading pioneer in the industry. Although there is some truth in some basic things the guy shares, otherwise he rants and raves about things that are not accurate or even true about Bitcoin and what they promised. Bitcoin did not promise all that. The promises are what many others perceived and added to the hype. In reality, I am not involved in Bitcoin for the so called promises he shares.

This guy rants and raves about much the cons I have been hearing about Bitcoin since like 2012. But I have continued to earn with Bitcoin from day 1 of my involvement. Bitcoin has actually provided me the greatest percentage of return of any investment I have ever been involved in my life.

Bitcoin may become a victim of their own demise. Thus I remain diversified. If Bitcoin fails, the replacement will have learned from their problems. Crypto currencies are here to stay regardless of what problems arise.

I do not think we will see such as this guy shares or his sources imply.
No. 93     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 21, 2017 at 9:30 PM     
The only question I would ask of you personally is have you had any specific issues of turning bitcoin back into dollars, as this guy claims he is having and many others are having?

I have a little bit of bitcoin left in coinbase, but not much and have not been buying any for some time (though now obviously under consideration based on the remarkable gains).
No. 94     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  May 21, 2017 at 9:59 PM     
short memory? the only reason bitcoin value flew up
was because of the vault7 release of NSA malware that
the script kiddies got aholt of and used for their
own fun and chaos.((laughin))look for global banksters to lobby
for a complete shutdown of all crypto currency...too much competition.
No. 95     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 22, 2017 at 7:03 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:

The only question I would ask of you personally is have you had any specific issues of turning bitcoin back into dollars, as this guy claims he is having and many others are having?

I have a little bit of bitcoin left in coinbase, but not much and have not been buying any for some time (though now obviously under consideration based on the remarkable gains).


Depends on what one calls an issue.

No, I have had no direct issues of converting BTC to USD. And I am using Coinbase or CEX.io for the most part. There has been a time element involved if you opt to leave the USD with Coinbase.

For example, hoping to avoid some transaction fee, one may opt to leave their converted BTC to USD sitting in their USD Wallet within Coinbase versus My Wallet, and/or versus directly having the funds deposited directly to their bank account or to PayPal upon conversion. When opting to leave in the USD Wallet within Coinbase, and you decide to make a withdrawal to your bank account later, it does takes a couple business days for those funds to be credited to your bank account. But it always has, and Coinbase has made this clear up front. When I have opted for the latter, a direct deposit to my bank account or to PayPal, for a day or two in the past couple of weeks there was more than a 24 hour delay, but more recently the transactions have completed within minutes to at least within 24 hours.

If I have never placed the USD into my Coinbase USD Wallet but had simply left the USD in what Coinbase calls My Wallet. The transfer to my bank account is much faster, and almost immediate upon transfer to PayPal. A BTC transfer to or from another 3rd party wallet, is complete within the hour as it has most always been.

Why the considerable difference from USD Wallet versus My Wallet, I do not know. I do not plan to ever put funds into the USD Wallet again. And again with all manners of BTC transactions, for those with the knowledge to enter the blockchain and manually change the options for your personal blockchain transaction, you can directly alter to process speed. But possibly at a higher transaction fee if hoping to make it faster.

After sleeping on the guys comments in the video, I grasp his perspective. He is obviously of the mindset he was primarily looking at BTC to be a viable replacement for his fiat dollars. Thus I grasp his personal "woes" with BTC.

Personally, from the very beginning, I primarily viewed BTC as an income stream providing current income, secondarily as an investment opportunity, and lastly as a convenient medium of exchange. Thus I appear to have a vastly opposite perspective of the guy in the video. But I grasp and understand his perspective.

And in contrast to the guy's perspective, I think most BTC users are looking to BTC as primarily an investment opportunity regardless as to if it ever becomes a convenient medium of exchange. Such a perspective may or may not be BTC's demise. Thus I remain diversified, and simply have the mindset that whatever BTC activity I am involve in, is here today but maybe gone tomorrow. Although I personally believe BTC will work through the issues and survive, I realize it may not.
No. 96     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 22, 2017 at 7:10 AM     
crayons wrote:

short memory? the only reason bitcoin value flew up
was because of the vault7 release of NSA malware that
the script kiddies got aholt of and used for their
own fun and chaos.((laughin))look for global banksters to lobby
for a complete shutdown of all crypto currency...too much competition.


Such may have played a role, but Bitcoin was on a considerable rise long before that malware event.

Per reading Bitcoin community communications, the recent drastic rise in BTC value is a result of other countries such as China, essentially in the midst of more quickly replacing their gold reserves with Bitcoin, more so than they were already in the process of doing over the past couple of years.
No. 97     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 22, 2017 at 1:22 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:Why the considerable difference from USD Wallet versus My Wallet, I do not know.


My guess is that when one opts to exchange BTC for USD and leaves the USD with such as Coinbase in the USD Wallet, Coinbase has not really sold any BTC to cover the transaction. They simply "earmark" in their books that you now have so much USD, and they keep the BTC in their reserves banking on a gain in value before they have to provide you any USD and/or with the expectations you never withdraw USA, but move back into BTC or some other crypto.

If and when one does opt for an actual USD withdraw, they then have to actually sell some BTC from their reserves, thus they make one large transaction against the already slow blockchain to cover all withdrawals of USD from them. Takes a couple days to confirm and complete such transactions.

Again, I am not really experiencing much of a delay if I opt for my USD upon the current Sell of BTC in My Wallet. Even then the delay is when I opt for the USD to go to my bank. If I opt for the USD upon sell to go to my PayPal, it happens within minutes up to maybe one hour.

My Shift card has arrived, which for all practical purposes is a VISA debit card drawing against my BTC holdings. Will be interesting to see how this works.
No. 98     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM     
BTC just under $2300 this AM.

Back to the previous discussion. What I see happening with Bitcoin is exactly what was planned. That it would become a viable currency. I think the current issues with the "scramble" to convert back to USD were built-in.

As long as I have been involved with BTC, something like 5+ years now, there have been limitations specifying a minimum transaction amount when converting back to USD. Those minimums are in the process of being raised across the board with most every entity were as I make such transactions. I have one platform were as I cannot do anything with the BTC on account other than make exchanges within the account. The minimum is too low to withdraw.

The reasons being shared are that too many small transactions are being made out of BTC, placing a large volume of transactions onto the blockchain process. The same implementations in the algorithm that was designed to make bitcoin secure, is also now making it slow to get out of. I do ponder that such was the plan in the beginning.

One platform I invest with as of today, actually as of yesterday being they are a day ahead of us on the calendar, raised the minimum withdraw from .01 BTC to .5 BTC. That is extreme. And may really tie one's hands that may have been using BTC withdrawals from them as a source of income to meet existing scheduled obligations and/or needs. Up until a couple of days ago, I had been reinvesting all returns with them. Did manage to complete 2-3 withdrawals from them before the policy change.
No. 99     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 22, 2017 at 5:58 PM     
Not sure how viable a "currency" can be with wildly variations in value, but no matter.

The guy in this following video is a Bitcoin enthusiast and the interview is extremely interesting, plus at the end some suggestions about avoiding being hacked which I'm going to look into.

Bitcoin at $2000!!! But What To Look Out For Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbAh4zOQHkE


I'm going to soon open up a Bitpay account, I think, to replace my coinbase account which is no longer used by Futurenet.
No. 100     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 22, 2017 at 7:38 PM     
I am sure there are those experiencing issues, but I made a withdrawal this AM from my Coinbase USD wallet figuring it would be at least 3 business days before I had access to the funds. They have already been credited to my bank account. I am reading that many such delays are more related to your own bank's policy of processing such tranasactions than it is to the Bitcoin network.
No. 101     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 23, 2017 at 1:32 AM     
I read this AM that the transactions that have the blockchain "bogged down" are thousands of exchanges from BTC to USD for less than $20. Thousands of people scrambling to get their less than $20 of value out of BTC while it is over $2000. LOL.

Serious BTC investors are staying put, and/or buying thousands of dollars more of BTC.
No. 102     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 23, 2017 at 1:48 AM     
My move back to a more active position in Bitcoin, has led to meeting those of whom Bitcoin supports their lifestyle. One guy stated he has lived on Bitcoin investing only for the past 3 years.
No. 103     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 23, 2017 at 9:28 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

My move back to a more active position in Bitcoin, has led to meeting those of whom Bitcoin supports their lifestyle. One guy stated he has lived on Bitcoin investing only for the past 3 years.


Thinking about it though, I am currently walking away with at least $100 per day from Bitcoin, for an essentially passive activity that took like $36 USD to get started 5 days ago. So it obviously not too late to get involved with Bitcoin. Of course I have to leave some Bitcoin "in play" to keep that coming and put more "in play" for it to grow that quickly. I started very small to test this activity and learn the "mechanics" of what was happening.

I can easily see how that could become someone's sole financial support, as long as it lasts. But this guy is knocking down much more per day, as several others are that I have recently come to know.

Spent the wee hours of the AM communicating with one such guy today. We are reconvening later today, I have to go get in my 3 hours at the gym first, to kick off another Bitcoin strategy/income stream.
No. 104     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 23, 2017 at 9:10 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:
BONDS: If you consider bonds safe, you're probably buying swampland too.


They can be safe if one uses stop loss orders in an options arena and never ever actually acquire the bonds.

I am typically no fan of bonds whatsoever, but this year they have been very good for shorting in the futures markets. With higher interest rates pending, bonds typically go down. Thus shorting them has been good for a few months now.

One only need to "risk" $156.25 per contract to make a $1000 or more. Using stop lost orders, one only need to win 3 out of 10 trades per week to net over $1900 per week.
No. 105     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Kari   Gender: F   Age: 103   on  May 23, 2017 at 9:48 PM     
money?:tongue:
No. 106     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 24, 2017 at 8:19 PM     
BTC over $2400 and just shy of $2500

ETH is over $200

LTC over $34
No. 107     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 24, 2017 at 9:00 PM     
BTC now over $2500

I purchased more earlier today. She is up $168 today.
No. 108     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 25, 2017 at 12:11 AM     
BTC almost hit $2600 as of midnight, but has since backed off a little.

The trading platforms are providing me more BTC per day than what I can earn by turning my miners back on. In fact, the cost of electricity to operate the miners would actually put me in the hole. The only advantage to turning the miners back on would be the potential increase in BTC value eventually returning the cost to mine.

But it is much easier to setup the trading platforms than it is to buy and setup miners. And one trading platform is now returning me 7% per day in BTC.
No. 109     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 25, 2017 at 5:21 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

BTC almost hit $2600 as of midnight, but has since backed off a little.


Whoa!!! BTC over $2700 this AM!!!
No. 110     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 25, 2017 at 2:45 PM     
BTC took a tumble this afternoon. In less than 1 hour from over $2700 down to under $2400. I took the opportunity to acquire some more. She has been back over $2500 since.
No. 111     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 25, 2017 at 5:21 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

BTC took a tumble this afternoon. In less than 1 hour from over $2700 down to under $2400. I took the opportunity to acquire some more. She has been back over $2500 since.


Yes, a 10% drop on Monday and now an 18% drop. Very volatile.
No. 112     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 25, 2017 at 7:49 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

BTC took a tumble this afternoon. In less than 1 hour from over $2700 down to under $2400. I took the opportunity to acquire some more. She has been back over $2500 since.


Yes, a 10% drop on Monday and now an 18% drop. Very volatile.


I just purchased more down around $2400.

I am not really all that concerned about what I pay for BTC. At this time, I am able to earn at least 7% return per day on the trading platforms, with each day increasing the total amount of BTC I own regardless of value. Sure I would like to be able to purchase BTC for less USD dollars, but regardless of what I pay, at this time the return more than out weighs any premium I incur.

Once I accumulate enough BTC to enter some larger contracts, the return is much greater per day yet. Assuming the environment is the same by the time I accumulate enough. The opportunities can be here one day and gone the next.

I did fire up my best miner today, but she is old compared to what is available today. I am going to allow her to run for a few hours and decide if is it worth leaving her on. Initial data indicates I should turn her off, unless I can provide enough power with my solar panels to keep her going. I really do not have enough battery storage at this time to make that effective. But I have been informed of a couple contacts were as I can maybe get all the old deep cell batteries I desire for just hauling them off. Most of them can be brought to about as good as new with some Epsom salt dissolved in distilled water.

In fact, there is income opportunity in restoring old batteries these days. You can just about do it for next to free, not taking your time and effort into account. But I am not that ambitious.
No. 113     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 25, 2017 at 8:11 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:
I did fire up my best miner today, but she is old compared to what is available today. I am going to allow her to run for a few hours and decide if is it worth leaving her on. Initial data indicates I should turn her off, unless I can provide enough power with my solar panels to keep her going.


On the other hand, although very slim, there is always the chance my miner solves the block and I earn the entire 12.5 BTC value of the block. Currently worth $31250 for the effort of running a miner. That would make it worthwhile to keep her running.
No. 114     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 26, 2017 at 9:12 AM     
BTC went over $2800 in the past 24 hours. Although now down under $2500, she is still up almost $500 for the week and up over $1100 for the month. It is those kind of fluctuations that actually increase wealth. Bitcoin is still relatively held amongst few. Does not take much of a move based on sentiments to cause some substantial movement in value.

On a related note, a couple nights ago I attended a bond trading class. The instructor and I are somewhat acquainted being it was a trading signals service of his that influenced my personal options trading strategy, before I quickly broke away on my own. He commented at the start of class, knowing my trading personality, that bond trading and I are likely not a good fit. Assumes I like the wide swings that provide large returns in one fell swoop. That may be true, but for entertainment I also like what I call skirmish trading, were as I attack with little quickly and get out quickly with whatever. Bonds currently provide that opportunity on an almost daily basis. But I needed some direction in developing a strategy. Thus the class with him. Bonds are something you certainly do not want much of your funds in long term.
No. 115     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 26, 2017 at 10:04 AM     
My BTC transactions, exchanges, purchases, deposits, withdrawals, etc., are essentially back to happening instantly. At least via Coinbase. I do need to make a transaction at CEX. Will see how that goes.

For a couple days some parties were requiring 6 confirmations before considering the transaction complete. This AM I see that down to 1 confirmation with some, and I see minimum transaction amounts lowered back down with the ones that concerned me most.
No. 116     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 26, 2017 at 11:21 AM     
Turned the miner off. At best she was only going to produce $4-$5 value in BTC per day. I have less costly activities returning multiple times more than that per day.

I had thoughts if I could operate her with free electricity, I would let her run. But to get that all put together at the moment, primarily setting up the storage batteries, involves more time than I have to take away from other priorities.
No. 117     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 26, 2017 at 1:17 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Turned the miner off. At best she was only going to produce $4-$5 value in BTC per day. I have less costly activities returning multiple times more than that per day.

I had thoughts if I could operate her with free electricity, I would let her run. But to get that all put together at the moment, primarily setting up the storage batteries, involves more time than I have to take away from other priorities.


There might be a residual type of benefit, insofar as getting the proper solar setup might be helpful in a future where power may be be limited or extremely expensive, a scenario that appears more and more likely as time goes on.
No. 118     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 26, 2017 at 6:28 PM     
BTC slipped all the way down to almost $2000 today. I purchased more. She is already back over $2300.
No. 119     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 28, 2017 at 12:01 AM     
Australia has confirmed they will treat Bitcoin "just like money".

The commentator that shared the article stated that Bitcoin was a buy at $2800, and an even greater buy today now down lower.
No. 120     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 28, 2017 at 12:07 AM     
Despite its flaws, Bitcoin is still rated the number one crypto. Interestingly, Ethereum is number two. My Litecoin is number six. I hold some of all three.

http://coinmarketcap.com/
No. 121     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 28, 2017 at 12:13 AM     
Here is a character, Bix Weir, that shares some interesting crypto information, that I see as "spot on". The information has me definitely looking at how to also increase my ETH holdings along with my BTC.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadtoRoota
No. 122     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 28, 2017 at 2:08 AM     
I have held seats/shares in a mining pool for a couple years now that returns me some BTC every couple of weeks on my investment in the pool. It has been an educational experience.

That experience combined with my digital currency mining background prompted me some time ago to look into getting involved in introducing a digital currency. At the time it appeared to be an overwhelming endeavor, and I put the thoughts on the back burner. But one thing has led to another. Last year a young foreign lady contacted me via eBay and purchased a couple natural healing books from me. Liking the books, she started contacting me outside of eBay and a business association developed related to marketing health and nutrition products. My affiliation with her is what actually led me to taking a more serious effort in trading BTC, after she introduced me to a passive BTC trading platform. Ever since, we have kicked back and forth various other business/investing opportunities. She recently stumbled into a digital currency startup, and invited me to take a look and provide her my thoughts. I like it, have did some due diligence, and now about to pull the trigger partnering with her on making my involvement in introducing a digital currency a reality.
No. 123     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 28, 2017 at 12:12 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Here is a character, Bix Weir, that shares some interesting crypto information, that I see as "spot on". The information has me definitely looking at how to also increase my ETH holdings along with my BTC.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadtoRoota


I agree, Bix Weir is quite a character (though I doubt anyone here besides you and myself know of him) and I listen to him whenever he is referred to on the Financial Survival Network.
No. 124     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 28, 2017 at 12:28 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Here is a character, Bix Weir, that shares some interesting crypto information, that I see as "spot on". The information has me definitely looking at how to also increase my ETH holdings along with my BTC.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadtoRoota


I agree, Bix Weir is quite a character (though I doubt anyone here besides you and myself know of him) and I listen to him whenever he is referred to on the Financial Survival Network.


I listened to the first video on your link, Darrell, and found Bix's advice about getting out of 3rd-party BTC holders relevant and something I've been concerned about myself.

Bitcoin may not Save Humanity but it Will Make BTC Holders Wealthy (Bix Weir)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYbq7eTLOvI



If anyone following this would like to find help in establishing a Bitcoin account separate from the exchanges (which is a VERY good idea), you might want to give this link some attention:

https://easycryptocurrency.com/
No. 125     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 29, 2017 at 6:50 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Here is a character, Bix Weir, that shares some interesting crypto information, that I see as "spot on". The information has me definitely looking at how to also increase my ETH holdings along with my BTC.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadtoRoota


I agree, Bix Weir is quite a character (though I doubt anyone here besides you and myself know of him) and I listen to him whenever he is referred to on the Financial Survival Network.


I listened to the first video on your link, Darrell, and found Bix's advice about getting out of 3rd-party BTC holders relevant and something I've been concerned about myself.

Bitcoin may not Save Humanity but it Will Make BTC Holders Wealthy (Bix Weir)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYbq7eTLOvI



If anyone following this would like to find help in establishing a Bitcoin account separate from the exchanges (which is a VERY good idea), you might want to give this link some attention:

https://easycryptocurrency.com/


I stumbled onto Bix Weir via a fellow digital currency trader. I like what Bix shares.

In addition to having a couple 3rd party accounts, I also have a blockchain account that allows me a paper wallet. As well as, I own physical silver BTC coins encrypted with BTC blockchain addresses representing BTC holdings. But who knows what lies ahead. My goal, at the moment, is to accumulate as much BTC and ETH as possible without really any of my core funds at risk.

No. 126     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 29, 2017 at 7:47 PM     
In the past, obtaining education by whatever means, has gone a long ways for me in many arenas other than also "obtaining" money.

Somewhat getting back to what has been "tried and proven" for me personally over many years, I have vowed this year to get back to gaining more education.

Recently, I initiated formally attending an internet marketing education program titled AWOL Pro. Have only attended the first online session thus far, so nothing much to share at this time.

Tomorrow I will attend my first class with a program called School of Greatness Academy by Lewis Howes. Not having yet attended my first formal class, attended an information intro, at this time I guess I would call it like a Dale Carnegie leadership program on steroids. I have been on a waiting list to attend this program for some time, and finally got my invite last week.

I have reviewed several such programs over the past few months, and have settled on these two.

Also, I will initiate soon a formal program in digital currency education. The arena is moving faster than I can keep up with.

Thus, those are a couple places I am putting my money in 2017.
No. 127     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  May 29, 2017 at 8:21 PM     
good luck...bitcoin is an invisible finite currency that only adds zeros
as it get's over traded...whats there to go to school about?,,,

I have no doubt that it was created by one of the intel agencies
to track the narco cartels/& opium trade as well as trackin&taxin
unsuspecting US citizens who buy into it.
No. 128     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 29, 2017 at 10:55 PM     
crayons wrote:
good luck...bitcoin is an invisible finite currency that only adds zeros
as it get's over traded...whats there to go to school about?,,,


It is well beyond good luck. Percentage wise, Bitcoin has returned me well more than any investment in my life. Multiple times my original investment. And I have had many successful investments.
No. 129     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 31, 2017 at 1:23 AM     
Reported today by TRUSTNODES:

For the first time ever since bitcoin’s invention, a new digital currency has reached higher trading volumes, Ethereum. The currency is now trading $11 million more than bitcoin.

Ethereum has further risen above 50% of bitcoin’s market cap, reaching a high of 54%, less than two years since its invention in 2015, in a remarkable rise that has never been seen before in this space and even beyond considering the timeframe.

The currency has now taken almost 25% market share of all digital currencies, while bitcoin has fallen to around 45% from a near dominance of 95% just months ago when it was the center of the entire ecosystem.

Etc...

I am registered to start trading ETH via a new passive program launching June 5th. Bitcoin has done me well since like 2012, but I have every expectation Ethereum will surpass that success.
No. 130     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 31, 2017 at 12:33 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:



I am registered to start trading ETH via a new passive program launching June 5th. Bitcoin has done me well since like 2012, but I have every expectation Ethereum will surpass that success.


I am looking into Steemit, which has been #3 (at times).
No. 131     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Birchman   Gender: M   Age: 64   on  May 31, 2017 at 12:54 PM     
I believe the Stock Market has some interesting options for those with money to invest. If President Trump can survive the impeachment threats to his presidency, I anticipate a couple more years of stock market gains.

For the first time in at least a decade, I am "bullish" on the American stock market. I invested my IRA funds 100% into purchases of 300 more shares of Apple stock last November 2016 at the price of $109.70 per share, which gave me 400 shares so far. I bought the first 100 shares at 127.50 in June 2015 and have sold 6 different call options that netted $1500 so far. I buy back the options after each stock drop and sell the call options again (usually at a strike date that is 3-6 months later than the ones I bought back) after the stock moves up a few points.

I tend to be conservative in my investments, so I don't make as much as more speculative risk-taking investors. But, due to an incredible increase in the price of Apple in the last 6 months to $153.20 per share today, my holdings in Apple have appreciated $16,000 from $45,700 invested (to just under $62,000 now). Of course, this "gain" is only on paper except for the four call options (one [2 at 135, 1 at 140, and 1 at 145] on each of the sets of 100 shares) that I sold that expire in January 2019.

If the stock drops about 5-10 points by January 2019, I should still make about 12% a year on my investment, and I'm content with this level of appreciation. I'm averaging about 12% return each year selling covered call options (and buying them back after the premium decreases to a couple hundred dollars from the selling price of maybe $1000 or more.. I don't recommend selling call options unless you own the 100 shares and can keep your end of the bargain to let the buyer of your option have your stock if it rises at or above the strike price you agree to in your contract. Thus, I sell only "covered" calls.

So, where to put your money in 2017?

I'd buy a NYSE or DOW stock that has call options you can sell that also pays a decent dividend. Apple just paid me $63.00 this past quarter (times 4 = $252, which translates into a 2% rate of return annually). If you can't afford Apple, try Exxon (I think), which also pays a good dividend and gives you an opportunity to sell "covered" call options for further gains.

If you'd like to explore high dividend stocks that vary in price, look for stable companies with good Price-Earnings ratios (strong earnings) in the following list. Maybe start on page 6 to end of the list and look at the large oil companies that are doing real well.

Apple, AT&T, Exxon-Mobil, General Electric, and Microsoft are five strong companies that pay a high proportion of their earnings to shareholders in the form of dividends. You may be able to sell options on General Electric for example, while collecting the additional dividend income. Apple calls can be sold at a strike price 10 points higher than you buy it for as much as $1000 if you sell at a late 2018 or early 2019 contract date. If the stock is below the strike price, you keep the stock and the option money and then can sell another call option above what you paid for the stock (and collect another option fee if the stock doesn't move upward. Calls thus give you some money to hold onto no matter what the stock actually does.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/09/27/these-5-dividend-stocks-pay-shareholders-the-most.aspx

Another website with a lot of very small and some risky companies with much higher dividend yields is below:

http://www.dividend.com/dividend-stocks/high-dividend-yield-stocks/

Birchman
No. 132     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 31, 2017 at 1:44 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:



I am registered to start trading ETH via a new passive program launching June 5th. Bitcoin has done me well since like 2012, but I have every expectation Ethereum will surpass that success.


I am looking into Steemit, which has been #3 (at times).


I have taken a brief look at Steemit, but somewhat lost as to what is going on there as far as trading digital currencies.
No. 133     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 31, 2017 at 2:18 PM     
Although my BTC transactions have returned to essentially happening instantly, ETH is now experiencing blockchain backlogs as many scramble to either buy and/or sell today. Many are jumping into ETH to fund their investment activities to participate in all the new trading mechanisms coming online almost daily now.

One need to heed some caution here though. These things are still considered of "high risk" with many essentially here today and gone tomorrow. Although there are often great rewards for the early entries into such programs. Many that have opted to compound their investments and not withdrawing their "seed money" at break-even, are often finding themselves "burned".

Although waiting to get involved into these programs can be of great opportunity lost, I still take the time to see what those seasoned individuals most experienced with these programs are doing. At the moment, although having considerable knowledge related to digital currencies, I am not a "seasoned" investor/trader of digital currencies. But hope to be soon.

I am involved in 9 such programs, and have yet to be "burned". But I stay diversified with several programs to lessen the loss for if and when one may fail. Despite my due diligence, it is just a matter of time for when one I am involved with will fail with the potential of never returning my "seed money". But staying diversified maintains me in a position of only "losing" a low percentage of what I have earned overall, with my initial "seed money" returned long ago.

The blockchain is the technology that actually renders digital securities to be so secure. It has never ever been hacked. But at the same somewhat becoming the downfall hindering the general public's acceptance of digital currencies. Those more knowledgeable with digital currencies simply accept the current flaws as part of the "growing pains".
No. 134     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  May 31, 2017 at 5:22 PM     
Birchman wrote:

I believe the Stock Market has some interesting options for those with money to invest. If President Trump can survive the impeachment threats to his presidency, I anticipate a couple more years of stock market gains.


Birchman


Good luck with that, Birchman. It seems more of the sound money people than ever before are predicting the crash to come this Fall. Well ok, some have been predicting that every Fall, or Spring, or whatever, but there does seem to be a pervading sense that things are coming to a head, and predictions of a 40% drop or more.

One thing almost all of them are suggesting and get out NOW. Again, they have been saying that but also again, time seems short.

At any rate, I wish you the best.
No. 135     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 31, 2017 at 6:38 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:
I am involved in 9 such programs


Involved in a 10th program as of today. This one is paying over 7% per day and pays out every 4 hours. At that pace, in slightly less than every 14 days a matching amount of bitcoin of what I originally invested, is automatically deposited into my bitcoin wallet, and I either hold as BTC, reinvest into the same or another program, or convert to USD.
No. 136     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  May 31, 2017 at 6:46 PM     
i guess no one finds it odd that only
the US agencies are the only ones who ever
hack the banking systems/SWIFT using their
expertise to go after bank accounts(cash)
and hacking expertise for cartels with bitcoin...

its pretty obvious they play around in the dark web...

https://cointelegraph.com/news/governments-are-using-bitcoin-account-hacking-services

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/02/alleged-silk-road-website-founder-arrested-bitcoin

No. 137     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 31, 2017 at 7:56 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Here is a character, Bix Weir, that shares some interesting crypto information, that I see as "spot on". The information has me definitely looking at how to also increase my ETH holdings along with my BTC.

https://www.youtube.com/user/RoadtoRoota


I agree, Bix Weir is quite a character (though I doubt anyone here besides you and myself know of him) and I listen to him whenever he is referred to on the Financial Survival Network.


As of today, I now have a trading account with the same exchange Bix uses for his self-directed digital currency funded IRA. Although I have no interest whatsoever in my funds being encumbered in an IRA.
No. 138     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  May 31, 2017 at 8:13 PM     
crayons wrote:

good luck...bitcoin is an invisible finite currency that only adds zeros
as it get's over traded...whats there to go to school about?,,,

I have no doubt that it was created by one of the intel agencies
to track the narco cartels/& opium trade as well as trackin&taxin
unsuspecting US citizens who buy into it.


I have trouble accepting that "digital currency" is somehow a, "safe investment".

I have about as much faith in that as in paper dollars.

Both of them could burn up overnight in a hyperinflation scenario. Or some major world catastrophe that upsets it's stability.

No. 139     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  May 31, 2017 at 8:31 PM     
As I have shared, much if not most the activity related to digital currencies is of potential "high risk". Such does not really concern me. One simply needs do their own due diligence as with any other investment, and implement protection and stop loss measures.

What was initially less than a $200 investment, now returns me over $200 per day, and is growing quickly. Especially now that I have taken a renewed serious interest, and have taken a more active role in position my currency holdings into various opportunities.

BTW - Japan has now also moved to the ranks of countries recognizing Bitcoin as a viable currency. For whatever a "viable" currency is.
No. 140     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 1, 2017 at 1:08 PM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:



I have trouble accepting that "digital currency" is somehow a, "safe investment".




I think the following article addresses this point well -

The real reason to own Bitcoin
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/the-real-reason-to-own-bitcoin-21892/
No. 141     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 2, 2017 at 9:17 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:
Tomorrow I will attend my first class with a program called School of Greatness Academy by Lewis Howes. Not having yet attended my first formal class, attended an information intro, at this time I guess I would call it like a Dale Carnegie leadership program on steroids. I have been on a waiting list to attend this program for some time, and finally got my invite last week.


I am not sure of the reasons for their personnel delays, but several peers in class claim to have been attempting to get into this program for more than a year. I was accepted within a couple of weeks, which was actually too soon for my current schedule. Despite my busy schedule, I opted to not risk a potential extended delay in getting invited again to attend/participate, thus jumped in.

Anyway, Lewis Howes himself kicked off this week's training with a welcome session. He too has a lot of "irons in the fire", with one of those irons being he is in the planning stages of creating his own digital currency.

Although he did not elaborate, my guess is Lewis is doing so to support his many humanitarian efforts. One of the primary goals of the Ethereum trading program I am involved in, is supporting humanitarian causes. This seems to be a primary trait of many affiliate, networking, MLM, and types of activities, bringing participants together for a common cause.
No. 142     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 3, 2017 at 8:59 AM     
Bitcoin steadily climbing back up there. And I am accumulating more everyday, essentially for free.

I have also accumulated more Ethereum. If all goes as scheduled, come June 5th I will be accumulating Ethereum everyday essentially for free. I say as scheduled, for the platform pushed the launch back from June 1st to June 5th to allow applicants more time for acquiring ETH to open an account. For a couple days, the Ethereum blockchain was experiencing delays similar to the Bitcoin blockchain, with some exchanges implementing more strict exchange processes for Ethereum with its sudden popularity and the rush to acquire it.
No. 143     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM     
On a prominent financial program this AM, the comment was made "no investor in his right mind invests based on the past". Such is quite true. You invest on what is current.
No. 144     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 3, 2017 at 1:26 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:



I have trouble accepting that "digital currency" is somehow a, "safe investment".




I think the following article addresses this point well -

The real reason to own Bitcoin
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/the-real-reason-to-own-bitcoin-21892/


People fear what they do not understand.

As your article shared, "Cryptocurrency is the future of finance. And just as embracing new technology can be prosperous for societies, it can also be prosperous for individuals."

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
No. 145     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 3, 2017 at 1:33 PM     
I do not have as much "skin in the game" as he, but a personal friend of main has cleared over $17000 in Bitcoin in the past 3 days, in just one trading program. And he is in several.

I am happy with my now just under $300 average per day earned from my all my currency trading programs combined. But one that is likely more huge than all mine combined, initiates June 5th with Ethereum.
No. 146     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 3, 2017 at 10:37 PM     
I already get as much as a 15% discount and free shipping for paying with Bitcoin at several vendors, today I was informed that Amazon is currently giving a 25% discount and free shipping for paying with Bitcoin.
No. 147     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Jun 4, 2017 at 2:06 AM     
you might just be reachin the libtards here...
they have no clue how the real world works.

lets see what we have here... if you try to convert crypto currency
to fiat they will tell you hippy's they have to review transactions for A
specified amount of time, slowin it down enough to make you nervous and crazy....they'll say...'you know;it prevents terrorism,'

Meanwhile the US Retarded HSBC/wells fargo narco libtards only care about the red headed stepchild al'Cia'da witch & bill maher's house nigger remarks to fund CNN enough to make it pay off digitally through "forced googler;yaahoo;fakebook scorecardresearch/third party tracking for Funny MONEY tracking clicks...

IN MEXICO and NARCO HEZBOLAH
CIRCLES; UNIVISION/ESTRELLA FUNDS THEIR ENTIRE MEDIA
AND UNDERGROUND ASSETS MOLES DOIN THIS CRAP.
No. 148     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 4, 2017 at 6:51 AM     
crayons wrote:

you might just be reachin the libtards here...
they have no clue how the real world works.


Those "educated" in this know better. Many conservatives are involved.

"Cryptocurrency is about divorcing yourself from an anachronistic financial system that has never missed an opportunity to abuse you."
No. 149     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 4, 2017 at 11:20 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

crayons wrote:

you might just be reachin the libtards here...
they have no clue how the real world works.


Those "educated" in this know better. Many conservatives are involved.

"Cryptocurrency is about divorcing yourself from an anachronistic financial system that has never missed an opportunity to abuse you."


Exactly. It's easy enough to make inflammatory statements based on fear and ignorance, and though it's true that the government and banks have also developed an interest in blockchain technology, it doesn't mean that our own use of it will not benefit us.

Everyone should do their own diligence in researching this out. Most people will not do this, of course, or even find out anything more than what's in the MSM about crypto's, therefore not benefitting from them anymore than knowing much about precious metals, with the same result.

That will not serve you well in what's coming down the line.
No. 150     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM     
Tomorrow, Monday, June 5, there is going to be an online roundtable dealing with precious metals, mining stocks, Bitcoin, and more. This roundtable fits in well within the idea of this thread creation, and I am going to attempt to make the presentation. Maybe you can also...

Be There… Roundtable on Bitcoin, Mining Stocks, Precious Metals & International Storage

Join us on June 5, 2017 at 9pm EDT. Silver Standard Resources, Miles Franklin Precious Metals Investments and Kerry Lutz to discuss Bitcoin’s recent parabolic spike and investing in both bullion and mining stocks.

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information/link to attend the webinar.

http://financialsurvivalnetwork.com/2017/05/be-there-roundtable-on-bitcoin-mining-stocks-precious-metals-international-storage/
No. 151     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 5, 2017 at 10:44 PM     
BTC back over $2800 and is expected to go right on up to $3000. ETH almost at $260 and expected to catchup to BTC.
No. 152     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 6, 2017 at 8:07 AM     
BTC over $2900 this AM. At that value, I am now clearing at least $350 per day on Bitcoin alone.

My ETH platform is just starting. Original projections indicated I should easily earn $900 per month starting with a $90 worth of ETH. But ETH has well more than doubled in value since those projections.

At lease 6 countries have now announced that as a nation, they now recognize Bitcoin as a currency. And Ethereum has gained more global acceptance in just a fraction of time it took Bitcoin to get where they are at today.
No. 153     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 6, 2017 at 12:34 PM     
Sold some ETH this AM. My first sell of this one. With her up almost 4 times my original investment in just a couple weeks, decided it was time to at least get my original "seed money" out.
No. 154     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM     
Unloaded the LTC this evening. Not up anywhere near the return BTC and/or ETH has provided, but nevertheless up, and today was my time to pull some funds out of such things.
No. 155     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 6, 2017 at 11:03 PM     
Even to my own surprise, I received well over $800 in Bitcoin today from the trading programs I am involved with. Would like to see that everyday.

It is on the way!
No. 156     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 7, 2017 at 7:00 AM     
Sold a considerable amount of BTC this AM with her still hanging around $2900. Had to pay some bills.
No. 157     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 7, 2017 at 11:36 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Sold a considerable amount of BTC this AM with her still hanging around $2900. Had to pay some bills.


What was pretty cool about this, is how fast the funds are in my account at my disposal. When I first started "messing" with digital currencies, to do something such as sell some BTC took maybe a week for the funds to finally be deposited into my regular bank account. That same process can still take as much as 24-48 hours. Even to buy BTC using finds from my regular bank account can take a week before the BTC is available in my Bitcoin wallet.

But I now have my Bitcoin wallets linked to my PayPal account. When I sell BTC and opt to withdraw, the funds are in my PayPal account instantly. I had both screens open and as soon as I hit confirm withdrawal in my Coinbase account, the funds immediately appeared in my PayPal account.

Pretty much the same to now buy BTC. In Coinbase I select to pay with my PayPal account, and when I hit buy BTC, the BTC is almost instantly in my Bitcoin wallet. There is a little delay, but not much.
No. 158     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 6:10 PM     
Funded my ETH program today. The launch was delayed by two days, but she is off and running.
No. 159     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 8, 2017 at 10:45 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

INTERNET BUSINESSES: You can't invest money if you don't have it. The Internet offers many sorts of businesses that normal people can begin and have success with...

E-COMMERCE: One of the most popular ways to make good money selling on Ebay and Amazon.

AFFILIATE SELLING: Selling the products of others on platforms such as Clickbank and JVZoo, earning a one-time commission for each sale

NETWORK MARKETING: MLM is still alive and well, with millions making a good living with it online.

BLOGGING & PODCASTING: Talk online about your interest and monetize it through blogging and podcasting.


Hey, I noticed this week on Facebook that you and I are both members of another private group in addition to the one we both were already aware of.
No. 160     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 12:15 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

INTERNET BUSINESSES: You can't invest money if you don't have it. The Internet offers many sorts of businesses that normal people can begin and have success with...

E-COMMERCE: One of the most popular ways to make good money selling on Ebay and Amazon.

AFFILIATE SELLING: Selling the products of others on platforms such as Clickbank and JVZoo, earning a one-time commission for each sale

NETWORK MARKETING: MLM is still alive and well, with millions making a good living with it online.

BLOGGING & PODCASTING: Talk online about your interest and monetize it through blogging and podcasting.


Hey, I noticed this week on Facebook that you and I are both members of another private group in addition to the one we both were already aware of.


I'm in so many that I can't keep up with them, but which one is it?
No. 161     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 9:36 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

INTERNET BUSINESSES: You can't invest money if you don't have it. The Internet offers many sorts of businesses that normal people can begin and have success with...

E-COMMERCE: One of the most popular ways to make good money selling on Ebay and Amazon.

AFFILIATE SELLING: Selling the products of others on platforms such as Clickbank and JVZoo, earning a one-time commission for each sale

NETWORK MARKETING: MLM is still alive and well, with millions making a good living with it online.

BLOGGING & PODCASTING: Talk online about your interest and monetize it through blogging and podcasting.


Hey, I noticed this week on Facebook that you and I are both members of another private group in addition to the one we both were already aware of.


I'm in so many that I can't keep up with them, but which one is it?


Online Sales Professionals
No. 162     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 2:45 PM     
With BTC back over $2800 today, I sold some again. Although, my goal is to accumulate as much BTC and ETH as possible, I have been selling off some of both for the "seed money" to initiate other ventures.
No. 163     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 6:16 PM     
Purchased like 12 domain names this evening. Already have two of them setup and promoting offers. Even have an email auto-responder all set-up with one of them automatically providing follow-up emails.
No. 164     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 6:26 PM     
I think GoDaddy somehow "shafted" me on one domain name. When I entered the name it clearly stated available for $9.99, but I jumped to another page to check out what I already own before adding the new one to the cart. When I came back to buy the new one, the price is now just under $5000. Therefore I did not purchase it with a .com extension for that price, but still got the same name for $9.99 with an alternate extension. I knew as soon as I entered that name and seen it was available, it had the potential to be a "hot" one. Lesson learned, put all in the cart and then edit the cart before paying if I change my mind.
No. 165     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 6:58 PM     
My new Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 arrived today. I am soon getting my "feet wet" with producing videos for such as FB, YouTube, podcasts, webinars, etc.. Already posted my first on FB.

For sometime now, I have been getting requests to produce instructional and review videos of products I resell by the vendors that provide them to me. Most are offering to compensate me in some manner.

After doing some research, this new Logitech model appeared to be about the best out there for the money, short of their new 4K model or jumping into like a minimum $600 studio model. Not quite willing to invest that much as of yet. Still playing.

Although the webcam has a quality built in microphone, I have purchased an alternate studio quality microphone designed for producing podcasts and webinars.
No. 166     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 9, 2017 at 11:05 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I think GoDaddy somehow "shafted" me on one domain name. When I entered the name it clearly stated available for $9.99, but I jumped to another page to check out what I already own before adding the new one to the cart. When I came back to buy the new one, the price is now just under $5000. Therefore I did not purchase it with a .com extension for that price, but still got the same name for $9.99 with an alternate extension. I knew as soon as I entered that name and seen it was available, it had the potential to be a "hot" one. Lesson learned, put all in the cart and then edit the cart before paying if I change my mind.


That happened to me once also. I wasn't very happy with them.
No. 167     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 11, 2017 at 11:26 AM     
BTC just shy of $3000 this AM. I purchased more last night and invested it all into one of my existing passive trading plans.
No. 168     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 11, 2017 at 11:24 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

BTC just shy of $3000 this AM. I purchased more last night and invested it all into one of my existing passive trading plans.


She just could not quite hit $3000, #2999.97 I think is best she did.

ETH is over $350, and I purchased her just a couple of weeks ago at like $70.
No. 169     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 12, 2017 at 10:33 AM     
ETH broke over $400 this AM. Glad I still have most of mine. This should be a huge boost to the ETH investment program I am involved with. I have yet to even consider the income this stream provides. Been too busy concentrating on BTC.

I have done some ETH mining research though. Appears for a very reasonable cost I can setup one of the old PCs I have around here, "chain" a couple of graphics cards, and mine ETH profitable from home. Especially with her up at $400 and likely to quickly go higher.
No. 170     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM     
Digital currencies taking a tumble since this AM. People likely running with their gains from last week. Simply time to buy in again. There is a big difference between an investor and a trader.
No. 171     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 14, 2017 at 4:58 PM     
BTC dropping back somewhat. But as a digital currency trader, that is a good thing. Allows me to place more funds into a trading program at less "risk", thus reaping a much faster return. For example, on a 4% per day return plan, even though they may credit my account multiple times per day, my actual cash-out may be as many as 8 days. With the drop in BTC value, I can "invest" more for less. And cash-out every 2-3 days leaving funds exposed to "risk" at a greatly reduced time-frame. Even cash-out faster when any binary rewards come into play.
No. 172     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 14, 2017 at 11:18 PM     
With BTC back under $2500, I purchased a substantial amount today. Immediately put it to work in one of the trading platforms earning a minimum 3.33% per day, and paying out directly to me every 2 days.

Even though the percentage is less than the up to 7.2% per day I may enjoy in the other programs, my "seed money" for this one is in my hands much more quickly, versus the potential 8+ days to actually receive the return in the other plans.

In fact, this one account has already paid me a total of .2 BTC on a .5 BTC investment. At that pace, that .5 BTC will be doubled in less than 60 days.

I have 5 individual accounts/contracts with this same platform. May allow a couple to lapse once they totally payout, and concentrate on keeping only one or two plans alive on this platform versus several lesser funded accounts. There has been a learning curve, substantially unique versus other types of investments I have been involved with. I now see more effective strategies for getting the "seed money" out more quickly.

Although I am not really a fan if initiating a new retirement plan at my age, I am seriously looking into starting to transfer some of the BTC to a plan that serves the same instrumental function as any other tax deferred plan, while I am still within the 60 day window to do so, only funded with BTC. Thus avoid any immediate income tax consequences. I knew this had the potential to accumulate quickly, but actually doing so much quicker than I thought possible. Especially now that I have grasped a strategy that reduces much of the "risk".
No. 173     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM     
Having reaped more than 10% in BTC in less than 12 hours since the last "investment", I turned around and purchased more BTC today when she slipped under $2200. She is now back over $2300.

Regardless of what the price of BTC does, my balance of BTC increases daily. Which is where the focus should be, and not on the value of BTC. Although when one desires to exchange more USD for BTC, the lower value of BTC is nice.
No. 174     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 16, 2017 at 10:47 AM     
LOL! Purchased more BTC before going to bed, sold her this AM up $400+. On top of the 3.3% earned for time it was in trading program.

I am currently reviewing the software available for digital currency trading. Looking to take a more active role directly trading versus the passive trading prgrams. If they can afford to return me 3-7% per day, they have to be earning considerably more. Their advantage is likely they have enough currency available for arbitrage trading and/or hedging.
No. 175     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 16, 2017 at 3:39 PM     
Launched a new website this evening. Had hits within 20 minutes. Despite these efforts though, I cannot say any income has come directly from my sites other than maybe 3-5 transactions. Appears most the income is via "spillover" from affiliates. But that makes sense, being they have much larger and mature marketing in place than I. None of this includes eBay though, which has essentially taken on a life of its own with my ads appearing in top 5 if not first ad as a result of searches via search engines.
No. 176     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM     
Well, that worked out nice. Sold most the BTC just purchased yesterday up more than 8%. Then paid a couple bills, but turned around and put most of those proceeds into ETH, and that is up just shy of 5% since this AM.
No. 177     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 18, 2017 at 5:55 PM     
LOL. Turned around and purchased BTC back on the fallback today. Even if she does not go back up within a day or so, I need some available for investing into a new platform being launched this coming Wednesday.
No. 178     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 18, 2017 at 6:00 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I need some available for investing into a new platform being launched this coming Wednesday.


I have learned the key to most these high yield opportunities is getting in quickly as soon as possible after public launch if not prior, investing enough that triggers an actual direct payout every one to no more than two days, thus having the "seed money" back in hand quickly. Then all is "icing on the cake" after that.
No. 179     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 19, 2017 at 5:58 PM     
Did well with BTC again today. Unloaded some BTC and put her into Litecoin, which is up almost 15% for the day.
No. 180     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 12:46 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:



I am registered to start trading ETH via a new passive program launching June 5th. Bitcoin has done me well since like 2012, but I have every expectation Ethereum will surpass that success.


I am looking into Steemit, which has been #3 (at times).


In addition to the Kraken account I recently opened, I also now have a Steemit account. Took a day or so to get approved. Apparently they do some kind of email verification check to somewhat verify you are whom you say you are.

Supposedly they gave me some free steam currency for opening the account, but I have not learned my way around the site yet, thus cannot see the balance.
No. 181     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 12:59 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:



I am registered to start trading ETH via a new passive program launching June 5th. Bitcoin has done me well since like 2012, but I have every expectation Ethereum will surpass that success.


I am looking into Steemit, which has been #3 (at times).


In addition to the Kraken account I recently opened, I also now have a Steemit account. Took a day or so to get approved. Apparently they do some kind of email verification check to somewhat verify you are whom you say you are.

Supposedly they gave me some free steam currency for opening the account, but I have not learned my around the site yet, thus cannot see the balance.


Ah, you passed me up. I'll be interested in hearing how Steemit works for you.
No. 182     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 20, 2017 at 6:28 PM     
Driving home from supper this evening I happened to be thinking about the life-changing income Bitcoin is now providing. It then dawned on me that I have in safe keeping 1 ounce gold coins each encrypted with a Bitcoin address representing 1 BTC. And I purchased these back in like 2012/2013. Almost unbelievable to think about what each of these coins are now worth. The value of 1 ounce of gold as well as 1 BTC. LOL.

The Lord Blesses.
No. 183     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 21, 2017 at 3:48 PM     
Repurchased BTC on the drop today.
No. 184     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 1:05 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:Ah, you passed me up. I'll be interested in hearing how Steemit works for you.


Online this evening I am seeing reports that all of a sudden there are long delays to setup a Steemit account. Just in the last day or two their popularity has grown so quickly, that they have a large backlog of account apps to approve.

Supposedly, many are abandoning FaceBook and YouTube to move to Steemit for social media marketing purposes. And/or going to have an account at two or all three.

Has something to do with the amount one is paid to provide content on Steemit, quadrupled this week.
No. 185     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 63   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 3:42 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Has something to do with the amount one is paid to provide content on Steemit, quadrupled this week.


Not only that. Youtube and FB are censoring channels, taking away money earned on politically incorrect sites, so the migration is to where such censorship is not existent.
No. 186     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 22, 2017 at 7:11 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Has something to do with the amount one is paid to provide content on Steemit, quadrupled this week.


Not only that. Youtube and FB are censoring channels, taking away money earned on politically incorrect sites, so the migration is to where such censorship is not existent.


Approval of my first account happened within like 12 hours of application. There has been no recent response on my application for a second account. First off, they would not allow another account with the same email address. Then they would not allow with the same cell phone number as the other. Currently only having one active cell phone number, I then applied using my Vumber virtual cell phone number. They appear to have accepted that, but I have yet to receive the email confirming the approval of my second account.

BTW - Vumber is pretty cool. Allows one to have a second cell phone number with full call receiving and text receiving capability forwarded to your physical cell phone.
No. 187     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 23, 2017 at 6:37 PM     
Although I have had a Facebook account for several years, I have never been one to actively utilize it. Other than for occasionally catching up on family, I had never really used the account. Recently a class I am attending requires FB access for student accountability as far as evidence of completing specific assignments and interacting with the entire group.

Within a week or two, I have grown from less than 30 "friends" to now over 200 friends and followers. Now getting requests for me to start a YouTube channel to share and instruct of my various experiences. Actually, I have been receiving such requests for quite a while, but never really made any efforts in that direction until taking this class.
No. 188     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Jun 23, 2017 at 7:28 PM     
if ya walk through the fakebook SJW
ghetto world of manure,the nancy fakebook ghetto
creatures wi~ll stick ta yer boots...((laughin))

i dont need two faced seeeyeaye fakebooker enemy subversives
to 'survive'.
No. 189     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 23, 2017 at 11:07 PM     
I launched my long-term account for Bitcoin accumulation this week. I researched a few, and finally settled on a particular one. As more funds become available, I have at least one more I would like to fund just for diversity.

These function somewhat like annuities, but pay a much greater return for much less invested than what a typical annuity would require. And you may withdraw returns anytime and/or reinvest to increase daily returns.

This one pays 1% per day Mon-Fri. Nothing close the 4-7% and more some of the others have paid me, but also not the extremely high risk. They have been around a while. I have communicated with several that have invested their Bitcoin with them for some time now. Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin. This a very transparent group.

There is a referral option that pays you a commission if you refers others to the plan. That is not a big goal of mine, but if my peers are interested I will share this. There is also a Forex trading feature that at this time I have not opted to take advantage of. My goal with this is to accumulate some Bitcoin for essentially free to hang on to. May explore the Forex trading with them later, but I have a lot going on at the moment.
No. 190     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Jun 23, 2017 at 11:59 PM     
"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."


And therein is the reason I do not place much faith or trust in digital $ that I don't have sitting right in my hand where I can plainly see it....like with gold or silver.

Digital $ is nothing more than a, "promise" to pay you x amount of dollars.

And time and time again and again we see those promises broken by either thieves, scammers, or well-intended people.
No. 191     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 12:07 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."


And therein is the reason I do not place much faith or trust in digital $ that I don't have sitting right in my hand where I can plainly see it....like with gold or silver.

Digital $ is nothing more than a, "promise" to pay you x amount of dollars.

And time and time again and again we see those promises broken by either thieves, scammers, or well-intended people.



You are talking apples versus oranges.

With digital currency, what you do not give or allow access to cannot be taken away.

Way more secure than holding gold and/or silver in your procession.
No. 192     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 1:25 AM     
ye`ah...throw ALL yer gold n' silver to the wind...
throw it away for invisible untouchable/intangible crypto fantasy currency...

TRY Trading Your imaginary fantasy currency when the internet goes down....YEP...Sounds like a go~od plan to me..(((laughin)))
No. 193     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 8:51 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."


And therein is the reason I do not place much faith or trust in digital $ that I don't have sitting right in my hand where I can plainly see it....like with gold or silver.

Digital $ is nothing more than a, "promise" to pay you x amount of dollars.

And time and time again and again we see those promises broken by either thieves, scammers, or well-intended people.



You are talking apples versus oranges.

With digital currency, what you do not give or allow access to cannot be taken away.

Way more secure than holding gold and/or silver in your procession.


Yeah...right...

What was that P.T. Barnum said???
No. 194     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 9:27 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."


And therein is the reason I do not place much faith or trust in digital $ that I don't have sitting right in my hand where I can plainly see it....like with gold or silver.

Digital $ is nothing more than a, "promise" to pay you x amount of dollars.

And time and time again and again we see those promises broken by either thieves, scammers, or well-intended people.



You are talking apples versus oranges.

With digital currency, what you do not give or allow access to cannot be taken away.

Way more secure than holding gold and/or silver in your procession.


Yeah...right...

What was that P.T. Barnum said???



Ok, you tell me how holding gold and/or silver in your personnel possession is more secure than holding a digital currency. Again, unless I give it away or allow access to it, it cannot be taken away from me any more easily than someone can take gold and/or silver from me.

Yes, some rare event could declare it worthless, but same as with gold and/or silver, that is not likely. Gold and silver only have their value due to the demand and current use for it. Same as the widely accepted and popular digital currencies.

And if there was an event knocking out all digital access, regardless of the fact that digital currencies can also be held physically and securely the same or better than our fiat cash is today, and physically held much easier than gold and/or silver, we have much more bigger problems than loss of a store of value coming.
No. 195     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 10:02 AM     
I am not saying one has to embrace digital currencies with open arms, but one also cannot deny the facts of digital currencies currently being utilized as a viable medium of exchange. I now make transactions daily, that involve a transfer of a digital currency in some manner or another.

If one ignores the facts and/or keeps their head in the sand, then the statement by P.T. Barnum may possibly be applicable.
No. 196     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 10:20 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."


And therein is the reason I do not place much faith or trust in digital $ that I don't have sitting right in my hand where I can plainly see it....like with gold or silver.

Digital $ is nothing more than a, "promise" to pay you x amount of dollars.

And time and time again and again we see those promises broken by either thieves, scammers, or well-intended people.



You are talking apples versus oranges.

With digital currency, what you do not give or allow access to cannot be taken away.

Way more secure than holding gold and/or silver in your procession.


Yeah...right...

What was that P.T. Barnum said???



Ok, you tell me how holding gold and/or silver in your personnel possession is more secure than holding a digital currency. Again, unless I give it away or allow access to it, it cannot be taken away from me any more easily than someone can take gold and/or silver from me.

Yes, some rare event could declare it worthless, but same as with gold and/or silver, that is not likely. Gold and silver only have their value due to the demand and current use for it. Same as the widely accepted and popular digital currencies.

And if there was an event knocking out all digital access, regardless of the fact that digital currencies can also be held physically and securely the same or better than our fiat cash is today, and physically held much easier than gold and/or silver, we have much more bigger problems than loss of a store of value coming.


What was that you said earlier...oh yeah....

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."

Now you show me when was the last time gold or silver was, "worthless"...due to ANY circumstance!

History has proven that "paper dollars" sometimes become worthless during periods of hyperinflation. It is not backed by anything other than a "promise".

History has shown time and time again that silver and gold provides a hedge against inflation as a store of value. It holds it's value, whereas paper currency does not.

Digital money is nothing more than paper currency in a different form. It is based on a, "promise to pay" and nothing more.

Show where or when silver or gold has ever lost all of it's value during hyperinflation.
No. 197     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bullfighter279 wrote:

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."


And therein is the reason I do not place much faith or trust in digital $ that I don't have sitting right in my hand where I can plainly see it....like with gold or silver.

Digital $ is nothing more than a, "promise" to pay you x amount of dollars.

And time and time again and again we see those promises broken by either thieves, scammers, or well-intended people.



You are talking apples versus oranges.

With digital currency, what you do not give or allow access to cannot be taken away.

Way more secure than holding gold and/or silver in your procession.


Yeah...right...

What was that P.T. Barnum said???



Ok, you tell me how holding gold and/or silver in your personnel possession is more secure than holding a digital currency. Again, unless I give it away or allow access to it, it cannot be taken away from me any more easily than someone can take gold and/or silver from me.

Yes, some rare event could declare it worthless, but same as with gold and/or silver, that is not likely. Gold and silver only have their value due to the demand and current use for it. Same as the widely accepted and popular digital currencies.

And if there was an event knocking out all digital access, regardless of the fact that digital currencies can also be held physically and securely the same or better than our fiat cash is today, and physically held much easier than gold and/or silver, we have much more bigger problems than loss of a store of value coming.


What was that you said earlier...oh yeah....

"...Not the here one day and gone the next as some of these "scammers" have been doing with Bitcoin..."

Now you show me when was the last time gold or silver was, "worthless"...due to ANY circumstance!

History has proven that "paper dollars" sometimes become worthless during periods of hyperinflation. It is not backed by anything other than a "promise".

History has shown time and time again that silver and gold provides a hedge against inflation as a store of value. It holds it's value, whereas paper currency does not.

Digital money is nothing more than paper currency in a different form. It is based on a, "promise to pay" and nothing more.

Show where or when silver or gold has ever lost all of it's value during hyperinflation.


Again, apples versus oranges. Read what was being discussed.

I was referring to unsuspecting holders of digital currency giving their digital currency to scammers or at least access to it for so called investment purposes and disappearing with their currency. Same can happen with any medium of exchange. But in general, digital currencies are easier to secure and protect than other mediums of exchange.

We were discussing security of a medium of exchange, not everything else you have attempted to deflect to.
No. 198     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 4:03 PM     
Started mining Ethereum today. Starting small just to see what can be done. Although Bitcoin still has an expectation of going way higher yet, I have opted for ETH at this time. Although I am allowed to allocate my purchased mining power to some other coin or even mine several at once with my current contract.

It is hosted miner. Therefore no need for me to setup hardware, provide electricity, or maintain operation.
No. 199     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 4:24 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Started mining Ethereum today. Starting small just to see what can be done. Although Bitcoin still has an expectation of going way higher yet, I have opted for ETH at this time. Although I am allowed to allocate my purchased mining power to some other coin or even mine several at once with my current contract.

It is hosted miner. Therefore no need for me to setup hardware, provide electricity, or maintain operation.


OK, I already upgraded.

Moved some hashing power to mining Monero, and I am now mining some BTC for free. Appears there is a promotion code that I can manually enter at every upgrade, that grants me free Bitcoin mining. Cool.
No. 200     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Jun 24, 2017 at 9:57 PM     
keep all the crypto currency info to yerself.what you are doing may or may not succeed as a currency...but i'd keep it to myself, quietly trade it and make what ya can out of it.

i deal with over 200 financial institutions a month
and growing fast; and none of these folks want to deal with it...
they don't want to hear the words crypto currency at closing time.
the stuff they tell me will make you blush...

they've all spilled the beans & than start talkin about pay pal...all will take Cash/some foreign currency/electronic deposits/verifiable cashiers checks/US Gold & Silver Currency.
No. 201     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 10:13 AM     
crayons wrote:

keep all the crypto currency info to yerself.what you are doing may or may not succeed as a currency...but i'd keep it to myself, quietly trade it and make what ya can out of it.

i deal with over 200 financial institutions a month
and growing fast; and none of these folks want to deal with it...
they don't want to hear the words crypto currency at closing time.
the stuff they tell me will make you blush...

they've all spilled the beans & than start talkin about pay pal...all will take Cash/some foreign currency/electronic deposits/verifiable cashiers checks/US Gold & Silver Currency.


I hear what you are saying, and it is likely good advice. In my efforts to assist I sometimes share too much.

But as far as the banks go, I regularly sit in the local offices of some of the largest of financial institutions with them assitsting me with making the wire transfers to acquire large amounts of Bitcoin via a backdoor method. The US based exchanges limit you to no more than $5000 in value per week. I often have a need for as much as $10000 per day. They assist me with acquiring it and well aware of what the transactions are for.
No. 202     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 1:11 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:



But as far as the banks go, I regularly sit in the local offices of some of the largest of financial institutions with them assitsting me with making the wire transfers to acquire large amounts of Bitcoin via a backdoor method. The US based exchanges limit you to no more than $5000 in value per week. I often have a need for as much as $10000 per day. They assist me with acquiring it and well aware of what the transactions are for.


Not dealing with Ally,Bank of America,Wells Fargo, Bank of the West,
Chase or any of the big lenders like you are. They have the tech.

i'm dealing with any of the 4 to 5 thousand smaller US Banks/FCU's,
that have an "indirect sales and services department" all my play's are in this area....these little banks dont want to do crypto's...it's not their shtick/forte, they'll all start talking about paypal/other scams.
No. 203     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 2:24 PM     
crayons wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:



But as far as the banks go, I regularly sit in the local offices of some of the largest of financial institutions with them assitsting me with making the wire transfers to acquire large amounts of Bitcoin via a backdoor method. The US based exchanges limit you to no more than $5000 in value per week. I often have a need for as much as $10000 per day. They assist me with acquiring it and well aware of what the transactions are for.


Not dealing with Ally,Bank of America,Wells Fargo, Bank of the West,
Chase or any of the big lenders like you are. They have the tech.

i'm dealing with any of the 4 to 5 thousand smaller US Banks/FCU's,
that have an "indirect sales and services department" all my play's are in this area....these little banks dont want to do crypto's...it's not their shtick/forte, they'll all start talking about paypal/other scams.


Well, all said and done, my transactions are actually processed by a small investment firm in Dallas Texas. The funds are wired to them, they acquire and transfer the Bitcoin to me. They actually promote themselves as an investment club.
No. 204     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 4:23 PM     
Bitcoin has doubled this year, and Ethereum is up as much as 4,100%. That is not a typo.

I am currently mining both.
No. 205     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 26, 2017 at 4:26 PM     
Was mining Monero, but have moved that miner to Dash.
No. 206     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jun 28, 2017 at 8:17 AM     
Read a very interesting article this AM were as extensive research is being done on migrating stores of gold and silver to the blockchain. This essentially creates gold and silver backed digital currencies. There already are precious metal backed digital currencies, I own some, but apparently the amount of precious metals backing them are not linked to the currency via the blockchain. Currently, such is essentially only based on your faith that the backer of the currency actually holds the precious metals they claim backs their currency.
No. 207     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 1, 2017 at 1:04 PM     
Copy and Paste from article in The Guardian today:

"On 19 June, the International Monetary Fund issued a staff discussion note stating that banks should consider investing in cryptocurrencies, saying: “Rapid advances in digital technology are transforming the financial services landscape, creating opportunities and challenges for consumers, service providers and regulators alike.”

At the same time, IBM announced it had made a deal with the Digital Trade Chain Consortium – a group of seven European banks that includes Deutsche Bank, HSBC, KBC, Natixis, Rabobank, Societe Generale and Unicredit – to build a digital trade platform that will run on IBM’s cloud."

Complete article:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/01/cryptocurrencies-mainstream-finance-bitcoin-ethereum
No. 208     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 2, 2017 at 8:56 PM     
I just discovered this evening I have a local BTC ATM machine. In fact, just this evening I learned we now have hundreds of them all across this country.
No. 209     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 2, 2017 at 8:58 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

I just discovered this evening I have a local BTC ATM machine. In fact, just this evening I learned we now have hundreds of them all across this country.


I did not use it, but it appears you can actually make exchanges in at least 5 different digital currencies. Not just Bitcoin.
No. 210     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 5, 2017 at 8:17 AM     
I am reading that in the collapsed economies such as in Venezuela, Bitcoin has become their lifesaver as far as being able to pay for and obtain necessities. Those with Bitcoin have become the "haves" while those that do not have digital currencies are the "have nots".
No. 211     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 9, 2017 at 8:23 AM     
I saw in the news that over 260,000 businesses now accept Bitcoin as payment. With many of them providing as much as a 15% discount when you do.

I was surprised to see The Home Depot on the list. I worked there and did not see any evidence of such. In fact, I was invited to the store manager's office one day to try and explain Bitcoin to he and one of the assistant managers. The assistant manager has since asked me to assist her with sitting up a digital currency investment account. I am meeting with her son this afternoon.

Although The Home Depot is quickly catching up, they have been slow coming to the table with online technology.
No. 212     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 9, 2017 at 5:45 PM     
Stormchaser wrote:INTERNET BUSINESSES: You can't invest money if you don't have it. The Internet offers many sorts of businesses that normal people can begin and have success with...

E-COMMERCE: One of the most popular ways to make good money selling on Ebay and Amazon.



Early this year, one of the providers of a line of products I resell online somewhat warned me that my marketing methods were possibly in violation of their reselling rules. Although disappointed, I really like the products as well as my customers also do, I agreed to change my methods and comply rather than lose my reselling rights.

That was like 5-6 months ago. Last week they contacted me and asked if a local leader could meet with me personally. I agreed, but thought to myself "now what I have done wrong".

To my surprise, I was informed that my marketing practices have now been found to be in a "gray area of the rules", and I was free to revert back to whatever I was doing to move product. I somewhat replied "Hmmm, I have read the rules and it clearly appears I was in error". They then replied like "well, you moved like $12-$15K of product in like 2-4 weeks, such caught the eye of corporate, your efforts resulted in a considerable amount of money in all our pockets. They are looking at changing the rules". In other words, bottom line they desire the revenue I was producing regardless of how I was getting the stuff sold.
No. 213     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  unspoiled   Gender: M   Age: 53   on  Jul 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM     
there he goes. i know what you are.
No. 214     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Jul 12, 2017 at 12:32 AM     
unspoiled wrote:

there he goes. i know what you are.


Do not get the cart ahead of the horse. Know what you are talking about before you speak.

Their old rules indicated the customer base had to be from what is considered your "warm market".

I was marketing to my existing customer base, which is my "warm market" in view of today's technology, via online. A couple of the old school execs feel a "warm market" is only those you interact with "face to face".

The new execs more in tune with current technology, disagree. They say your "warm market" is anyone you already have a business relationship with, and that relationship does not require "face to face" interaction, ruling I did nothing in error.
No. 215     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Aug 15, 2017 at 10:49 AM     
Bitcoin over $4000 this AM. I purchased more yesterday at $3600.
No. 216     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Aug 15, 2017 at 6:33 PM     
Bitcoin now at almost $4200. I will cash-out on some this evening.
No. 217     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Aug 16, 2017 at 8:56 AM     
Right now i'm investing it in raw land, and a firearm or two here and there.

Yeah, firearms can be investments, I have one that has doubled in value, and another that has tripled in value since I bought it. If nothing else they can sometimes keep pace with inflation.

Next year likely will be investing in a septic system on that same land. Maybe 2 of them.

After that, maybe some certain specific power tools and building supplies.
No. 218     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Aug 16, 2017 at 7:52 PM     
Bitcoin slipped over $4400 today. I will cash-out on a little more this evening.
No. 219     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Aug 16, 2017 at 9:34 PM     
Lowers and uppers.
No. 220     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Aug 31, 2017 at 4:22 PM     
Bitcoin went over $4800 today. When I got involved you could buy it for as little as $13, or mine it yourself for essentially free.

It can still be acquired for essentially free, just have to be creative about it.
No. 221     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 2, 2017 at 12:52 PM     
Bitcoin broke through $5000!
No. 222     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 8:47 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin broke through $5000!


But pretty much ever since that day, BTC has been taking quite a beating. Only a "paper loss" for me, and an opportunity to use lower cost BTC to enter other currency trades and essentially earn more BTC for free or essentially no risk.
No. 223     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Bullfighter279   Gender: M   Age: 55   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 9:10 AM     
Over the last year I have been putting mine into land, solar panels, some survival stuff. Been delaying on getting a vehicle while putting the cash to more productive use. I think I may break down and get one by this Winter though.

I have less than a year to go on paying 4 lots off. Will probably end up paying them off early though before the contract ends.
No. 224     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 14, 2017 at 11:54 AM     
Bullfighter279 wrote:

Over the last year I have been putting mine into land, solar panels, some survival stuff. Been delaying on getting a vehicle while putting the cash to more productive use. I think I may break down and get one by this Winter though.

I have less than a year to go on paying 4 lots off. Will probably end up paying them off early though before the contract ends.


I got a good deal on paying off my lots early. The land developer I purchased them through filed bankruptcy. Via the developer and the bankruptcy court, I was offered a deal to either pay my properties off and get the deeds or continue and see what happens in court.

I consulted a financial lawyer whom advised taking the deal if I really wanted the properties. Otherwise he said that such bankruptcies often end up with the property buyer only getting back pennies on the dollar of their investment and losing their pretty much all their equity, while the properties end up sold to pay off other equity holders of higher rank.

I took the deal and essentially got my deeds at like 50% of the original purchase price. I have since been offered as much as 20-30 times each for what I paid for each of the properties.

But otherwise, investing in homes and/or raw land have provided the lowest return on investment in my investing experience.
No. 225     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Sep 18, 2017 at 9:17 AM     
Stormchaser wrote:
NETWORK MARKETING: MLM is still alive and well, with millions making a good living with it online.


I am seeing a trend in the MLM/network marketing industry, even with many traditional businesses for that matter, were as no "start-up" fees or buying a "business kit" is being required for you to earn by marketing their products. You simply become a customer, and are then qualified to earn compensation by referring new customers to them. You become a walking ad for them, and get paid to be such.

Many are also implementing a binary matrix providing the potential to also get paid when those you introduced refer others, as well as when those above you refer others that fall into the matrix below you.
No. 226     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Oct 12, 2017 at 10:34 PM     
Bitcoin hit a new all time high!

Currently way over $5000, not too far shy of $6000, and projected to hit $10000 in the near future.

Despite the promising projection, I may "dump" some soon. Like Friday.
No. 227     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 2, 2017 at 9:34 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin hit a new all time high!

Currently way over $5000, not too far shy of $6000, and projected to hit $10000 in the near future.

Despite the promising projection, I may "dump" some soon. Like Friday.



Bitcoin is well over $7000 this AM. I did not "dump" any the other day. Opted to hold. May continue to hold. I am now accumulating Bitcoin every day for essentially free.
No. 228     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 5, 2017 at 6:16 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Bitcoin hit a new all time high!

Currently way over $5000, not too far shy of $6000, and projected to hit $10000 in the near future.

Despite the promising projection, I may "dump" some soon. Like Friday.



Bitcoin is well over $7000 this AM. I did not "dump" any the other day. Opted to hold. May continue to hold. I am now accumulating Bitcoin every day for essentially free.


While at the gym I am listening to some Bitcoin news. Bitcoin over $7500 this AM and expected to hit $8000 today.
No. 229     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 6, 2017 at 5:30 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:While at the gym I am listening to some Bitcoin news. Bitcoin over $7500 this AM and expected to hit $8000 today.


Although she did breach $7700, she did not hit the $8000 some wildly hoped for and predicted yesterday.
No. 230     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 16, 2017 at 7:57 PM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:While at the gym I am listening to some Bitcoin news. Bitcoin over $7500 this AM and expected to hit $8000 today.


Although she did breach $7700, she did not hit the $8000 some wildly hoped for and predicted yesterday.


Took her a couple more days than predicted, but Bitcoin is just shy of $8000 this evening.
No. 231     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 7:10 PM     
Not a suggestion on where to put money, but maybe a way to save some money.

At the gym a few days ago, I caught a few minutes of Dave Ramsey on TV. He suggested an app called ScanLife for comparing prices of merchandise. I downloaded and installed it almost immediately.

In just this week alone, using this app has saved me a considerable amount of money and time. You use the app to scan barcodes and/or QR codes on a product. The app responds with the stores local to you as well as such as Amazon, buy.com and even eBay and other online sources. The app provides the name of the stores selling the item and the prices from low to high.

Just this evening I went out to purchase a new indoor/outdoor portable propane heater I have had my eye on. I went to a store were as I looked at the heater earlier in the week. Scanned the barcode and received like 7 stores with the prices ranging from $116.95 to $184.29. Coincidentally I was already standing right by the heater in the store that had her for $116.95 on sale, as well as I had a $5 off coupon in my pocket good on anything of $20 or more.

I brought that heater home this evening, potentially saving as much as $72 depending on where else I might have purchased her. Even though it did not appear on the list of stores provided by the app, one other store I had checked earlier in the week wanted $219.95 for the heater. Of which I got it at a considerably greater savings yet compared to that price.
No. 232     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 7:56 PM     
this is gonna sound harsh...

I never liked dave ramsey, i used to
laugh at his B'lue S'ky nonsense. not
even worth my time to listen to him.

Dont need any 'comp' apps to find anything; nor
do i want to feed the beast and it's 'anal'ytics.

I legally buy EVERYTHING so far "in back of wholesale"
it would make ya cry..."the good ol'boy way".

example: i just bought a new used 24" basic dell monitor, no camera
no microphone for $35.00,,,it was returned because it didn't have
camera and it had a tiny scratch... and i'm next on the list for an even bigger one.
i just turned down 1,300 new cell phones from a bankrupt AT&T dealer i know,,,
just two tiny little examples out of endless opportunities.


No. 233     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 8:19 PM     
crayons wrote:

this is gonna sound harsh...

I never liked dave ramsey, i used to
laugh at his B'lue S'ky nonsense. not
even worth my time to listen to him.

Dont need any 'comp' apps to find anything; nor
do i want to feed the beast and it's 'anal'ytics.

I legally buy EVERYTHING so far "in back of wholesale"
it would make ya cry..."the good ol'boy way".

example: i just bought a new used 24" basic dell monitor, no camera
no microphone for $35.00,,,it was returned because it didn't have
camera and it had a tiny scratch... and i'm next on the list for an even bigger one.
i just turned down 1,300 new cell phones from a bankrupt AT&T dealer i know,,,
just two tiny little examples out of endless opportunities.




Well, it would not make me cry. I have dealt with many liquidators and wholesalers.

A while back I got like 500 brand new golf clubs for $9 each. These clubs go for $200+ each on eBay. They sold so well that next time I snagged a lot of them for $18000 at $9 each. I quickly sold them all except for a set I held for myself.

I did similar with a bunch of George Foreman grills. Followed by a bunch of Xerox Workstation copy machines.

Most recently I obtained a bunch of brand new battery chargers for $19 each. So called online discount sources are selling the same charger for over $100 each. I priced mine for less, and quickly sold them all.

This stuff is all brand new and obtained legally.

I regularly stumble into/onto such bargains.
No. 234     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 8:36 PM     
maybe your not reading me correctly.

i deal with very few wholesalers...
most of em want too much money.

i am for lack of a better term
a wholesale broker, specializing mostly
in motorized vehicles, but you know...
No. 235     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 8:59 PM     
crayons wrote:

maybe your not reading me correctly.

i deal with very few wholesalers...
most of em want too much money.

i am for lack of a better term
a wholesale broker, specializing mostly
in motorized vehicles, but you know...


On occasion I have dealt with moving some vehicles. In fact, I have been warned that I could not transfer more than 6 titles per year into my name without obtaining a vehicle dealers license. At least here in Michigan. I had my own dealer plates, but those were simply for transporting vehicles back and forth to licensed dealers. Technically they were called in transit plates.
No. 236     Reply: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  crayons   Gender: M   Age: 61   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 9:04 PM     
i dont do ebay or internet nonsense.
most of the stuff i deal in cant be sold
on the internet because of multi unit
finance and bank flooring issues.


No. 237     Reply: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 18, 2017 at 9:14 PM     
crayons wrote:

i dont do ebay or internet nonsense.
most of the stuff i deal in cant be sold
on the internet because of multi unit
finance and bank flooring issues.




Although I sell a lot via eBay and other online venues, it would be financially foolish for me not to, but I do not move all via online venues and have sold no vehicles online.
No. 238     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where to Put Your Money in 2017   
By:  Survivor698   Gender: M   Age: 103   on  Nov 20, 2017 at 1:10 AM     
Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:

Survivor698 wrote:While at the gym I am listening to some Bitcoin news. Bitcoin over $7500 this AM and expected to hit $8000 today.


Although she did breach $7700, she did not hit the $8000 some wildly hoped for and predicted yesterday.


Took her a couple more days than predicted, but Bitcoin is just shy of $8000 this evening.


Bitcoin finally blew through $8000 on Sunday. Within countries with troubled and failing economies, such as Zimbabwe, Bitcoin has topped $13500.