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No. 0     Original Topic:  Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 7:12 AM   Viewed 13566 times     
Yes He Does! 5 Ways Obama Controls Gas Prices


A plumpish girl making pizzas behind a counter methodically spreads red sauce on a circle of dough as she vents loudly to the cashier: “Do you drink soda pop? No? Well, I do. They say that pop makes you gain weight. I always gain weight from stress and I’m so stressed out. I don’t have enough money. I need a car for college and I can’t afford one. And gas is outrageous. It’s like $5! I mean, I could buy a bike for $5!”

A few minutes later, the girl hands me my oven-ready pizza without looking up. She is visibly distraught. I feel bad for her as I walk away thinking, “Thanks for ruining our economy, President Obama.”

Obama claims he doesn’t manipulate gas prices. He told Fox News this month: "You think the president of the United States going into reelection wants gas prices to go up higher? Is that—is there anybody here who thinks that makes a lot of sense?”

I say: “Yes, Mr. President, that makes a lot of sense. Your regulations and unconstitutional executive orders have caused the price of gas to skyrocket. So, you do control gas prices. Want examples? I’ll give you five.”

1.) The Department of Insider Trading


http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2012/03/19/yes_he_does_5_ways_obama_controls_gas_prices
No. 1     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM     
The rise in gas prices is primarilly due to speculation on wall street as to oil 'futures'. Up until around 10 years abo speculators made up around 20 %of alll purchaes. today iti s 83%. The actual use of oil and oil products in the US has fallen over the past two years and the US has come closet o being an oil exporting nation again. This was the case until speculation on conditions in the middle easst and the allowance of corporate speculators to become major purchasers of oil 'future' to enter the picture.
No. 2     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  SonShines   Gender: F   Age: 32   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 8:20 AM     
Well, of course! After all, it's in the Constitution, Article 245: The President will dictate all gas prices. :rofl:


Jimmy, this type of ignorance can't be fought with reason or facts. This type of hate is exalted to god-status (one would think one couldn't serve any gods above God, but apparently MC does)

After all, we could have a discussion about the cost of energy; about how to best serve the children of God when prices for daily living are so high; any number of discussions which may actually get us some where or strengthen our faith (in Christianity, again, this type allegence is to a different god)

But, we'd rather post stupid things like this. Don't waste your type nor the brain God gave you, Jimmy.



Earl, given the right mindset anything and everything can become an idol for one to worship... be careful.
No. 3     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  insular926   Gender: M   Age: 52   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 8:24 AM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

The rise in gas prices is primarilly due to speculation on wall street as to oil 'futures'. Up until around 10 years abo speculators made up around 20 %of alll purchaes. today iti s 83%. The actual use of oil and oil products in the US has fallen over the past two years and the US has come closet o being an oil exporting nation again. This was the case until speculation on conditions in the middle easst and the allowance of corporate speculators to become major purchasers of oil 'future' to enter the picture.


100 percent correct Jimmy!!!
No. 4     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 10:01 AM     
Brad gas prices are an imortant issue. I don't post anything on an important issue that I don't research. The gas prices rose at a phenomonal rate under Bush as well and no one blamed him. This is all the responsibility of corporate entities being given the same rights as individuals and is purely the result of uncontrolled speculation. If blame is to be placed, place it where it belongs. There are plenty of real issues to blame on Obama without making them up.
No. 5     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  jadefox   Gender: F   Age: 53   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM     
In a nutshell, the marketplace controls the fluctuation of the gas prices at the pump.

Wars, rumors of wars, sanctions against oil producing countries, embargos etc, can play a role in the marketplace but that is not directly attributed to President Obama anymore than any other president.
No. 6     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Mission_Specialist   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM     
The price of oil is NOT directly controlled by the president. However, we must remember that the president's policies do effect the price of oil.

While speculation drives the short term price of oil, that speculation is based on world conditions. Speculators who bet on higher prices when the pressures to drive them higher are not there lose a lot of money. Not only can they lose money, the commodities market is littered with the financial corpses of speculators who rode the rising price of oil only to be bankrupt a week later. Speculation by itself does not control the price of oil.

When the president ran for office he blamed George Bush for rising oil prices. He laid out a plan on what he would do if he had been president at that time. He has not implemented a single point on the plan that HE laid out.

When Obama was in the Senate and later before his inauguration [when the price of oils was not a convenient weapon in his battle against REPUBLICANS] he stated that the best thing for everyone would be for gas prices to reach $5 and called for extra taxes on fuel if economic conditions did not push the price that high.

None of this is editorial. None of this is hyperbole. None of this comes from his opponents. This comes from his own speeches made in public and on television.

Right now there are three major pressures on the price of fuel:

!. The situation with Iran,

Obama is seen as weak by Iran. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stated Obama was an amateur politician. The result has instability in the straight driving oil prices higher.

2. The falling dollar,

The president's policies to spend at record levels has decimated the dollar - maybe worse than decimated. Obama has stated that the time may have come for a currency standard different from the American dollar.

This may be the stupidest statement the president has ever said. The United States represents the lions share of the world economy. It still dwarfs the second largest economy, the Chinese economy. Over a dozen countries now officially use the US dollar as their official currency. Probably 40 more use it as the unofficial currency. To destabilize the dollar - the oldest most stable currency in the world - would not only wreak havoc on the American economy, but the world economy as well.

Over 1/3 of the rise in the cost of gas can be directly attributed to the decline in the dollar. So figure almost $1 of a $5 gallon can be attributed to the fall of the dollar.

3. The pressures of world demand vs domestic production.

Obama claims the US is pumping more petroleum than it has in 20 years. That is almost true. But it falls short when one draws a regression line against the growth in population. Furthermore, NONE of that increase in production can be attributed to the Obama administration. ALL OF IT can be attributed to the Bush administration.

While Obama now panders to those who want more domestic drilling, along with the votes they carry, Obama has never wavered from the idea that the US should stop producing oil and America should stop using imported oil. Unfortunately, that cannot be accomplished without alternate energy sources.

Regardless of the possibility of switching completely away from oil, even if you believe it is possible to do so, the switch cannot take place until the alternate technology and infrastructure is in place. It is not in place.

Therefore, regardless of current domestic production capacity, when supply drops behind demand, the price goes up. Since the Obama administration has not approved any new domestic capacity, he has in fact caused the price of oil to rise.

Conclusion:
The price of oil is affected over months and years. Obama has very little influence on the price of oil from one week to the next or even one month to the next, but from one quarter to the next he does have influence [not control] and from one year to the next he has a substantial influence [still not control].

Remember there is a difference between "control", "regulate" and "influence". Obama cannot "control" the price of gas, but he does have some powers of regulation and he has substantial influence on it. All of his decisions have put upward pressures on the price of gas. How much of that $5 belongs to him? At least $1.50, probably closer to $2.00.
No. 7     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM     
Specialist also remember that taxation is a major factor in the price of gas and oter petroleum products and a a great deal of that taxation i s at the state level. Since the US has no public transport system each state realizes that its sitting on a gold mine that can be tapped pretty mucha at will when extra revenues are needed simply by raising the tax on gas, fuel oli, diessel and other petroleum derivitives.
No. 8     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

The rise in gas prices is primarilly due to speculation on wall street as to oil 'futures'. Up until around 10 years abo speculators made up around 20 %of alll purchaes. today iti s 83%. The actual use of oil and oil products in the US has fallen over the past two years and the US has come closet o being an oil exporting nation again. This was the case until speculation on conditions in the middle easst and the allowance of corporate speculators to become major purchasers of oil 'future' to enter the picture.


The average price of a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline in 2007 was $2.80. Now under the Obama Adminisration national average of $3.83 a gallon, with 6 states above $4.00.

Jimmy it is important to know what one is talking about as you and SS aparently did not read the article.

Below is just one way Obama controls gases prices and it is fact.


1.) The Department of Insider Trading

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the worst inside trader of them all? President Obama.

I think a better name for the Department of Energy (DOE) is the “Department of Insider Trading.” Obama uses the DOE to cut unconstitutional, back-door deals with taxpayer dollars. End result? Rising gas prices.

Obama gave insider seats on the DOE to venture capitalists backing clean-tech firms. Then, his “administration embarked on a massive program to stimulate the economy with federal investments in clean-technology firms. … $3.9 billion in federal grants and financing flowed to 21 companies backed by firms with connections to five Obama administration staffers and advisers,” reports the Washington Post. For example, he threw $535 million in the form of a taxpayer-backed loan guarantee at the now defunct solar firm, Solyndra, that shed over 1,000 jobs.

Like the Department of Education, the DOE is an unconstitutional pet project of President Jimmy Carter. Carter wanted to be king and therefore loved creating extra-Congressional, Cabinet-level agencies. He knew he wouldn’t be able to amend the Constitution to properly give himself control over energy, so he bullied Congress to hand its legislative power over to the executive branch; he signed the DOE into law in 1977.

Since 2008, Obama has utilized the unconstitutional DOE to pass out taxpayer funds to his friends in clean-tech firms that go belly-up. This abuse of taxpayer dollars is effectively an energy tax
No. 9     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Mission_Specialist   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM     
Elder Earl,

While what you are stating may be largely it does not account for any impact on the price of oil. Those are two unrelated topics when talking about oil prices.

Jimmy,

Yes, state taxes are a substantial part of the price of fuel, however, Florida has not raised its prices one bit yet the price here has skyrocketed. However MOST [not all] of the difference in prices between states can be accounted for in state taxes.

Did somebody mention California?
No. 10     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM     
Earl we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll conceide tht insider trading is involved but it's mostly done by the already knwon speculators who have caused the current recesssion and driven prices up on almotst everything else imaginable begining in 2001. Take a very cloe look at thes 'corporate humans'and then take an even closer look at how much of the price you're paying at the pump that is going into your state treasury... and consequently down a bottomless black hoe with no explanation.
No. 11     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM     
Mission_Specialist wrote:

Elder Earl,

While what you are stating may be largely it does not account for any impact on the price of oil. Those are two unrelated topics when talking about oil prices.

Jimmy,

Yes, state taxes are a substantial part of the price of fuel, however, Florida has not raised its prices one bit yet the price here has skyrocketed. However MOST [not all] of the difference in prices between states can be accounted for in state taxes.

Did somebody mention California?


Right now as an exporter of oil the USA can undermine oil prices by producing more but Obama has his foot on the neck of drilling operations. What is interesting is Obama go green policy as we have wasted millions on green energy programs.



No. 12     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:31 AM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

Earl we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'll conceide tht insider trading is involved but it's mostly done by the already knwon speculators who have caused the current recesssion and driven prices up on almotst everything else imaginable begining in 2001. Take a very cloe look at thes 'corporate humans'and then take an even closer look at how much of the price you're paying at the pump that is going into your state treasury... and consequently down a bottomless black hoe with no explanation.


I think insider trading is also responsible. However, Obama can take his foot off the neck of the dwelling companies and insider trading will have to find another why to make profits.
No. 13     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM     
U oreduct that you will see absolutely no change regardless of who is elected in November. The only change that I predict is that if it is a Republican with a Republican majority in congress you will hear no screaming and moaning just as things were silent uner bush. Blame Obama for what he has done and is doing,not for things that have been going on long before he took office.
No. 14     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 11:59 AM     
Mission_Specialist wrote:

The price of oil is NOT directly controlled by the president. However, we must remember that the president's policies do effect the price of oil.

While speculation drives the short term price of oil, that speculation is based on world conditions. Speculators who bet on higher prices when the pressures to drive them higher are not there lose a lot of money. Not only can they lose money, the commodities market is littered with the financial corpses of speculators who rode the rising price of oil only to be bankrupt a week later. Speculation by itself does not control the price of oil.

When the president ran for office he blamed George Bush for rising oil prices. He laid out a plan on what he would do if he had been president at that time. He has not implemented a single point on the plan that HE laid out.

When Obama was in the Senate and later before his inauguration [when the price of oils was not a convenient weapon in his battle against REPUBLICANS] he stated that the best thing for everyone would be for gas prices to reach $5 and called for extra taxes on fuel if economic conditions did not push the price that high.

None of this is editorial. None of this is hyperbole. None of this comes from his opponents. This comes from his own speeches made in public and on television.

Right now there are three major pressures on the price of fuel:

!. The situation with Iran,

Obama is seen as weak by Iran. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stated Obama was an amateur politician. The result has instability in the straight driving oil prices higher.

2. The falling dollar,

The president's policies to spend at record levels has decimated the dollar - maybe worse than decimated. Obama has stated that the time may have come for a currency standard different from the American dollar.

This may be the stupidest statement the president has ever said. The United States represents the lions share of the world economy. It still dwarfs the second largest economy, the Chinese economy. Over a dozen countries now officially use the US dollar as their official currency. Probably 40 more use it as the unofficial currency. To destabilize the dollar - the oldest most stable currency in the world - would not only wreak havoc on the American economy, but the world economy as well.

Over 1/3 of the rise in the cost of gas can be directly attributed to the decline in the dollar. So figure almost $1 of a $5 gallon can be attributed to the fall of the dollar.

3. The pressures of world demand vs domestic production.

Obama claims the US is pumping more petroleum than it has in 20 years. That is almost true. But it falls short when one draws a regression line against the growth in population. Furthermore, NONE of that increase in production can be attributed to the Obama administration. ALL OF IT can be attributed to the Bush administration.

While Obama now panders to those who want more domestic drilling, along with the votes they carry, Obama has never wavered from the idea that the US should stop producing oil and America should stop using imported oil. Unfortunately, that cannot be accomplished without alternate energy sources.

Regardless of the possibility of switching completely away from oil, even if you believe it is possible to do so, the switch cannot take place until the alternate technology and infrastructure is in place. It is not in place.

Therefore, regardless of current domestic production capacity, when supply drops behind demand, the price goes up. Since the Obama administration has not approved any new domestic capacity, he has in fact caused the price of oil to rise.

Conclusion:
The price of oil is affected over months and years. Obama has very little influence on the price of oil from one week to the next or even one month to the next, but from one quarter to the next he does have influence [not control] and from one year to the next he has a substantial influence [still not control].

Remember there is a difference between "control", "regulate" and "influence". Obama cannot "control" the price of gas, but he does have some powers of regulation and he has substantial influence on it. All of his decisions have put upward pressures on the price of gas. How much of that $5 belongs to him? At least $1.50, probably closer to $2.00.


Everything that I have researched (and I research A LOT) indicates that Steve is pretty much correct. Speculators may have had a lot more to do with the previous rise in the cost of gasoline, but the reason this time is most certainly the flooding of the economy of cheap US dollars that the Obama administration, through it's pet globalist FED chairman Ben Bernacke, has deluged us with.

And speaking of speculators, when a government, and in this case there is no difference from a Democratic or Republican one, gets so deep into moneychanging (to use a biblical word), then normal investments do not work very well, if at all, and anyone who wishes to survive financially is forced into speculative investments. Keep in mind that speculation is not a bad word, but the more a government gets into deep doodoo, the more it will look for a scapegoat. Speculators have been a favorite boogy-man for previous out-of-control spending governments heading for a cliff, as ours is. Governments look for any reason to focus attention from their own idiotic spending and will blame speculators, 'hoarders' (preppers), expatriaters (people fleeing countries with their wealth before the government steals it from them), and other countries - which ends in costly wars that redirect attention away from them and their overspending.
No. 15     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM     
Why was there nothing said during Bush's administration when the Fed was doing the same thing? I'm not being partisan. I think the plague falls on both houses.
No. 16     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 12:24 PM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

Why was there nothing said during Bush's administration when the Fed was doing the same thing? I'm not being partisan. I think the plague falls on both houses.


I'd have to ask then, Jimmy, why weren't YOU listening? Peter Schiff criticisms goes back years and years and if you don't believe that - spend some time on youtube.

And, dare I say, Ron Paul's criticisms (also on youtube), go back decades, but of course you have made it clear you are not interested in listening to him...which is your loss.
No. 17     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM     
Storymy I don't listen to Ron Paul because his words aere nothing but hot air aimed at getting attention and dragging in funds. As far as the rest, I have been listening. That's why I'm complaining now. Ther is more noise being made over what Obama has done in 3 years than what hss been done by the rest in the 16 years before him. If you're going to blame one, blame them all and blame the ones in congress that allowed it. To say that Obame alone is responsible for the high gas prices just makes us look silly in the eyes of those who have been paying attention. Ther is more than enough legitimate reasons to attack Obama and point out how horrible he's been as a leader than any we can dream up, manufacture or distort that make us look like fools. We want to show up his real reacord and get someone in who can do better, not make ourselves look like idiots and shove him back in on a silver platter.
No. 18     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 3:25 PM     
(Jimmy's comments in blue...)

Storymy I don't listen to Ron Paul because his words aere nothing but hot air aimed at getting attention and dragging in funds.

As mentioned, your loss.


As far as the rest, I have been listening. That's why I'm complaining now. Ther is more noise being made over what Obama has done in 3 years than what hss been done by the rest in the 16 years before him.

So you are amending your statement now? You discount years and years of protest just because your agenda is concentrated on the here and now? That doesn't make you fair and knowledgable, Jimmy...It only makes you partisan.

And though a lot of noise has been made about Obama, you obviously must live in Russia if you didn't hear all the vitriol aimed at Bush during his years of presidency.


If you're going to blame one, blame them all and blame the ones in congress that allowed it. To say that Obame alone is responsible for the high gas prices just makes us look silly in the eyes of those who have been paying attention.

True but irrelevant. I am not attempting to make that point. Rather, I agree with you (on that point alone) so its a no-brainer.
No. 19     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

Why was there nothing said during Bush's administration when the Fed was doing the same thing? I'm not being partisan. I think the plague falls on both houses.


Funny they sure do not look the same.

Gas $2.80 2007

Gas $3.83 2012, Mar 12

No. 20     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Sonshines   Gender: F   Age: 32   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM     
ElderEarl wrote:

Jimmy98 wrote:

Why was there nothing said during Bush's administration when the Fed was doing the same thing? I'm not being partisan. I think the plague falls on both houses.


Funny they sure do not look the same.

Gas $2.80 2007

Gas $3.83 2012, Mar 12



Inflation has been about 2.25% though, so really, we're talking about the same "price"
No. 21     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM     
Sonshines wrote:

ElderEarl wrote:

Jimmy98 wrote:

Why was there nothing said during Bush's administration when the Fed was doing the same thing? I'm not being partisan. I think the plague falls on both houses.


Funny they sure do not look the same.

Gas $2.80 2007

Gas $3.83 2012, Mar 12



Inflation has been about 2.25% though, so really, we're talking about the same "price"


Obama is the reason for the season of high gas prices as he actually control how and when dwelling is to be done. Bush turned them lose and Obama is standing on their necks.
No. 22     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 9:50 PM     
2.) Obama keeps his alternative to oil, clean-tech, expensive

Earlier this month, I was a Power Panelist on Current TV and the host asked: “Why do Republicans hate American companies, such as Chevy and its Volt?” I responded by explaining how President Obama ignores and hurts American companies (think tech companies like Apple and any American company that produces “clean-tech”).

Obama says he supports American clean-tech. Correction: Obama keeps clean-tech unaffordable. You need rare-earth elements to create solar panels, wind turbines and electric batteries for cars like the Chevy Volt. But President Obama keeps the EPA in business. And environmental regulations like those coming out of the EPA put the former world leader in rare-earth production, California’s Molycorp mine, out of business years ago. It is the government’s fault that we stopped producing rare-earths at Molycorp, which is just now chugging back to life under stiff environmental standards.

Today, China produces roughly 97 percent of the world’s rare-earth supply and controls prices, charging $130 a pound for elements like dysprosium. It’s hard to blame China for mining its own resources and wielding its market advantage.

For over three years, Obama did nothing to revitalize America’s rare-earth market. He could have eliminated the unconstitutional EPA. Instead, he made the EPA stronger.

Now that gas prices are skyrocketing because Obama won’t drill for oil and his alternative solution, clean-tech, costs too much, Obama needs a scapegoat. On March 13, Obama filed a legal case on behalf of the United States “against the Chinese government over its reported hoarding of rare earth metals used to manufacture an array of sophisticated products,” reports The New York Times.

Obama says: “We want our companies right here in America. But to do that, American manufacturers need to have access to rare earth materials.” Please stop blaming China, Mr. President. China has no obligation to provide us with rare-earths at a certain price. You are to blame for the rare-earth shortage in America. You expect Americans to give up cheap gas and the safety of SUVs for an expensive and risky clean technology like the Volt, which blew up in flames after government crash tests.

No. 23     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Christian_Gent   Gender: M   Age: 40   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 10:09 PM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

Storymy I don't listen to Ron Paul because his words aere nothing but hot air aimed at getting attention and dragging in funds. As far as the rest, I have been listening. That's why I'm complaining now. Ther is more noise being made over what Obama has done in 3 years than what hss been done by the rest in the 16 years before him. If you're going to blame one, blame them all and blame the ones in congress that allowed it.


You do have a point to a certain degree as I've watched and heard "conservatives" turn a blind eye here on MC regarding many of Dubya's actions (That's George "W" Bush, for those who don't know- lol). Perhaps they didn't know or the deficits he was running up didn't sound the alarm as much as Obama has done.

Everything about OMG (Obama Must Go! lol) has been controversial from his birth certificate, blatant lies, broken promises, and the destruction of the Bill of Rights which he swore to protect (The Constitution, actually). When the people have no jobs, housing, nor food, everyone naturally tends to focus with a critical eye at the current administration.





To say that Obame alone is responsible for the high gas prices just makes us look silly in the eyes of those who have been paying attention. Ther is more than enough legitimate reasons to attack Obama and point out how horrible he's been as a leader than any we can dream up, manufacture or distort that make us look like fools. We want to show up his real reacord and get someone in who can do better, not make ourselves look like idiots and shove him back in on a silver platter.


He's not the only pundit involved with high gas prices, but probably the most visible one to point a finger at because he's the Prez. I prefer to blame him for being a horrible leader and a puppet than anything else.

No. 24     Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 19, 2012 at 10:15 PM     
Sonshines wrote:

ElderEarl wrote:

Jimmy98 wrote:

Why was there nothing said during Bush's administration when the Fed was doing the same thing? I'm not being partisan. I think the plague falls on both houses.


Funny they sure do not look the same.

Gas $2.80 2007

Gas $3.83 2012, Mar 12



Inflation has been about 2.25% though, so really, we're talking about the same "price"


Actual inflation, unlike government cover-up misdirection, is around 10% according to Peter Schiff. I also checked Shadowstats, which charts inflation the way the government USED TO FIGURE IT, rather than the depressed figures given out today to deceive the masses, and Shadowstats also charts inflation at around 10% according to the 1980 index.
No. 25     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 20, 2012 at 12:54 AM     
Warl is old enough to remember, but perhaps his memory is failing, that in 1970 gas was an averabe of $0 .75 per gallon and in 1989 it was an average of $1.35 per gallon. This is not something that hss crept up on us overnight and it is not the responsibility of one president as he implies. When I first received my driver's licence in 1968, gas was an average of $0.50 per gallon.
No. 26     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

Warl is old enough to remember, but perhaps his memory is failing, that in 1970 gas was an averabe of $0 .75 per gallon and in 1989 it was an average of $1.35 per gallon. This is not something that hss crept up on us overnight and it is not the responsibility of one president as he implies. When I first received my driver's licence in 1968, gas was an average of $0.50 per gallon.


I have paid $0.17 per/gal when we had independent gas stations and they were having gas wars on the Mobile Causeway.
No. 27     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 20, 2012 at 10:54 PM     
Lowest gas price I ever paid during a gas war was a quarter. You've got me beat Earl.
No. 28     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Stormchaser   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM     
I remember paying 26 cents. There may have been lower prices during my driving career, but I don't recall any.
No. 29     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM     
I've got some old receipts from about ten years before I started driving where my father and grandfather were paying .15 and .20 cents a gallon and that was the regular price.
No. 30     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 21, 2012 at 8:30 PM     
Piping Up Oil Jobs




Like a good neighbor, Canada is there—offering America tens of thousands of jobs, protection against soaring gas prices and up to 700,000 barrels of crude oil a day for Oklahoma and Gulf Coast refineries to process—if America accepts TransCanada’s proposal to build the Keystone XL pipeline from Alberta’s tar sands to the Gulf Coast.

Let’s say your neighbor invites you over to her holiday party and you respond: “No way, you’re an animal killer. Last year, you served meatballs at your party and I’m against animal cruelty.” Don’t expect your neighbor to ever talk to you again.

Likewise, Canada has offered America an invitation to create jobs and slash her dependence on Middle Eastern oil. The U.S. State Department released in-depth economic and environmental reports stating that it would be in America’s “national interest” to accept Canada’s offer. Yet, the Obama administration ignored the State Department and snubbed our northern neighbor by delaying the project on the basis of alleged environmental concerns.

Practically speaking, Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2012 is around the corner and President Obama’s key contingents like the Sierra Club, the Friends of the Earth, the EPA and Occupy Wall Street protesters believe that humans should irrationally worship the earth rather than responsibly exploit it for their benefit and survival.

Environmental groups oppose Keystone XL in large part because extracting oil from tar sands expends more energy and water and releases significantly more greenhouse gas emissions than other methods of extracting crude oil.

This month, Occupy Wall Street greenies shouted their desire to “Burn that mother [the City of New York] down!” Meanwhile, 8,000 tree huggers formed an “O-shaped hug” around the White House to protest Keystone XL. Basically, radical environmentalists want to save the earth by burning down a highly populated city like New York while preventing Keystone XL from passing through Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas with negligible environmental impact and maximal human benefit.

Keystone XL poses virtually no threat to the environment. U.S. Council on Foreign Relations senior fellow for energy and the environment Michael A. Levi told the Associated Press: “A lot of people have been convinced that this is the cutting edge of the climate change fight. In the end this is the equivalent to half a percent of U.S. emissions.”


page 2 @ http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2011/11/21/piping_up_oil_jobs/page/2
No. 31     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 22, 2012 at 2:13 AM     
If this is all true, then why is there such a large movemtnt in Canada to block the pipeline? I'm not being sachastic. I hear about it every day. Why is there such a hue and cry against drillling in the Contental US. The answer is that we have committed ourselves to subsidizing the OPEC nations in an attempt to 'buy' their griendship... something that is never going to happen.
No. 32     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 22, 2012 at 3:38 PM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

If this is all true, then why is there such a large movemtnt in Canada to block the pipeline? I'm not being sachastic. I hear about it every day. Why is there such a hue and cry against drillling in the Contental US. The answer is that we have committed ourselves to subsidizing the OPEC nations in an attempt to 'buy' their griendship... something that is never going to happen.


They are people who are apart of EPA or Green-tree types of organizations. And have the same mentality as Obama.

As for buying OPEC friendship, if we drill we and Canada can over turn our dependence upon OPEC.
No. 33     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 22, 2012 at 3:48 PM     
Having the same mentality as Obama doesn not make Obama responsible. Look who appointed these types. One is as bbad as the other if yone considers legitimate concern over our environment to be bad. I disapprove of the methods some advocate and use but the goal is a noble one.
No. 34     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Mission_Specialist   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Mar 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM     
Jimmy98 wrote:

If this is all true, then why is there such a large movemtnt in Canada to block the pipeline? I'm not being sachastic. I hear about it every day. Why is there such a hue and cry against drillling in the Contental US. The answer is that we have committed ourselves to subsidizing the OPEC nations in an attempt to 'buy' their griendship... something that is never going to happen.


Especially now that we don't represent the largest consumer of petroleum and the strongest influence on its price.

Those days are gone forever.
No. 35     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 22, 2012 at 11:59 PM     
Specialist, what I'm about to say is another of thosee things that I'll be asked to 'verify' or 'provide sources for' but since it's public record and in the congressional record, I don't intend to do eveyone's work for them. Back in the early 8=90s a proposal was made to connect the Alaska pipeline to the Siberian wellheads. The US would have been the only nation on earth that Russia sold petroleum to and the price would have been our domestic price plus a 10% charget to coveer maintaince of the line. This would have dropped US oil ptivrd ny spptocimsyly 455. tHE DEAL WAS REJSCTED BY THE US, because the Russian Feeration wouuld not relinquish operational control of its oilfields and pumping facilities to a privately owned US corporation and allow the US to set prices (which would effect both foreign and domestic prices and force oth higher). Rhw UA qouls HAVE OLY EEN RESPOSNIBLE FOR CONNECTION ON THE us END OF THE LINE AND 1/2 OF THE COST OF 4 1/2 KM OF PIPE.
No. 36     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Mission_Specialist   Gender: M   Age: 50   on  Mar 23, 2012 at 8:35 PM     
Jimmy, I have never seen this nor do I need to. Our government has done so much of this sort of stupid thing that my reaction was simply, "of course."

The boys in Washington just don't get it. It's kind of like when Bush placed all those economic sanctions on Russia because Putin kicked out all those corrupt regional governors without an election. Oh brother!
No. 37     Reply: Re: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  SonShines   Gender: F   Age: 32   on  Mar 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM     
ElderEarl wrote:

Like a good neighbor, Canada is there—offering America tens of thousands of jobs, protection against soaring gas prices and up to 700,000 barrels of crude oil a day for Oklahoma and Gulf Coast refineries to process—if America accepts TransCanada’s proposal to build the Keystone XL pipeline from Alberta’s tar sands to the Gulf Coast.


Well, let's be clear about why the pipeline goes to the Gulf Coast (as opposed to other, close refineries -- EXPORT! Do you really think that oil would be sold to the US? The majority if not all would be sold to South America. The theory of Supply & Demand already doesn't apply to the oil-price setters, why do you believe oil flowing through the US would mean cheaper oil for Americans?


Likewise, Canada has offered America an invitation to create jobs and slash her dependence on Middle Eastern oil. The U.S. State Department released in-depth economic and environmental reports stating that it would be in America’s “national interest” to accept Canada’s offer. Yet, the Obama administration ignored the State Department and snubbed our northern neighbor by delaying the project on the basis of alleged environmental concerns.


First, Obama didn't reject it, he wanted more time to study it. Secondly, even if Americans score low in Geography, we do all right finding our main food supply on a map. Accidents can and do happen... now take that Gulf oil spill (well, more than that because we'd be transporting more of the oil) and apply it to the mid-west. (BTW, many states get their drinking water from ground-water... so, add to all of this the cost of indirect havoc on basic needs)


Practically speaking, Tuesday, Nov. 6, 2012 is around the corner and President Obama’s key contingents like the Sierra Club, the Friends of the Earth, the EPA and Occupy Wall Street protesters believe that humans should irrationally worship the earth rather than responsibly exploit it for their benefit and survival.


ooooh how many "scary names" can we call the people who don't support this? ooooh... (eyeroll)

Look, it's not worshiping the earth to take care of the land. Farmers do it all the time, they learn from history and learn to respect that little seed that feeds the entire earth through a little-known-thing called the Ecosystem. Remember the Dust Storms of the Depression?? Well, we learned to maybe be a little more careful about crop rotation and top soil. You wouldn't call that "worshiping the earth" would you?

Again, if you want to have a real discussion people need to wake up to the idea that maybe crazy-LSD-smokin-hippy and eighth-generation-farmer-who-knows-the-land-well may not be synonymous and we should start to take notice of which one is speaking.


Environmental groups oppose Keystone XL in large part because extracting oil from tar sands expends more energy and water and releases significantly more greenhouse gas emissions than other methods of extracting crude oil.



If you're going to endorse Fracking, I suggest you at least have a working knowedge of what it is and the risks involved.



Keystone XL poses virtually no threat to the environment. U.S. Council on Foreign Relations senior fellow for energy and the environment Michael A. Levi told the Associated Press: “A lot of people have been convinced that this is the cutting edge of the climate change fight. In the end this is the equivalent to half a percent of U.S. emissions.”


That is not what was said, to say this is a gross error in judgement at best.

Again, if one is going to support something than they should at least have a working understanding of the risks involved. **This is a key difference between old school GOPs and new ones -- the old ones are business savy enough to understand one should never gamble or invest unless one understands exactly the cost/benefits involved.
No. 38     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 24, 2012 at 3:38 AM     
Tje p;d school GOP also understands that you never invest unless you understand the risk and that risk is acceptable. Apparently the 'new school' has fogotten that lesson.
No. 39     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  ElderEarl   Gender: M   Age: 57   on  Mar 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM     

Obama's Real Oil Agenda




Soaring gas prices pose a major electoral vulnerability to a President so damaged he refused to celebrate the two year anniversary of his marquee domestic accomplishment. That is why, for the past several weeks, President Obama and his administration have been in damage control mode.

At stops around the country,

http://townhall.com/columnists/danholler/2012/03/26/obamas_real_oil_agenda
No. 40     Reply: Re: Does Obama Controls Gas Prices?   
By:  Jimmy98   Gender: M   Age: 58   on  Mar 26, 2012 at 11:57 PM     
Earl, it's not 'daamage control', it's 'lie control'.